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Nelson Mandela has died

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posted on Dec, 6 2013 @ 06:58 AM
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He did for a time go against the ANC's (at the time) stance of non-violence after protest and appeal failed to bring about the end of Apartheid, he negotiated with many foreign leaders to obtain arms for his new militant group. His group, though did engage in guerilla warfare and what status quo supporters call terrorism but the oppressed call fighting back, his group attacked military, political and economic targets... when civilians were not there. It is hard to know the exact historical truth as the White South African oppressors during Apartheid had every need to demonize him, (the entire free world was beginning to rally behind Mandela even before he was imprisoned)... as well as post Apartheid SA had every need for him to be pure.

Most likely he did have innocent blood on his hands even if indirectly and that is sad, it is always sad when innocents die. He also spent 27 years extremely isolated in prison, interestingly never charged for violence or terrorism though, only treason. Personally I don't hold the violence of freedom fighters against them... oppression is an act of war.




posted on Dec, 6 2013 @ 07:01 AM
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Pretty amazing qoutes

“When a man is denied the right to live the life he believes in, he has no choice but to become an outlaw.”
― Nelson Mandela

“I learned that courage was not the absence of fear, but the triumph over it. The brave man is not he who does not feel afraid, but he who conquers that fear.”
― Nelson Mandela

Nice, look at this one.
“Overcoming poverty is not a task of charity, it is an act of justice. Like Slavery and Apartheid, poverty is not natural. It is man-made and it can be overcome and eradicated by the actions of human beings. Sometimes it falls on a generation to be great. YOU can be that great generation. Let your greatness blossom.”

Rest in Peace
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posted on Dec, 6 2013 @ 07:18 AM
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I thought he was already dead. This is like the third time I have heard of this guy dying. There is something very wrong with this picture.



posted on Dec, 6 2013 @ 07:30 AM
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hillbilly4rent

yamammasamonkey
Good riddance. Sorry POS.


what have you done to help humanity. As I thought.


How are bombings and murder helping humanity?



posted on Dec, 6 2013 @ 07:32 AM
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Kali74
reply to post by Aleister
 


He did for a time go against the ANC's (at the time) stance of non-violence after protest and appeal failed to bring about the end of Apartheid, he negotiated with many foreign leaders to obtain arms for his new militant group. His group, though did engage in guerilla warfare and what status quo supporters call terrorism but the oppressed call fighting back, his group attacked military, political and economic targets... when civilians were not there. It is hard to know the exact historical truth as the White South African oppressors during Apartheid had every need to demonize him, (the entire free world was beginning to rally behind Mandela even before he was imprisoned)... as well as post Apartheid SA had every need for him to be pure.

Most likely he did have innocent blood on his hands even if indirectly and that is sad, it is always sad when innocents die. He also spent 27 years extremely isolated in prison, interestingly never charged for violence or terrorism though, only treason. Personally I don't hold the violence of freedom fighters against them... oppression is an act of war.


Bombing school buses is not an act of "freedom fighting."



posted on Dec, 6 2013 @ 07:39 AM
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I'm pretty positive that is a lie.



posted on Dec, 6 2013 @ 07:43 AM
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NavyDoc
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Bombing school buses is not an act of "freedom fighting."


Sigh. No school buses have ever been bombed in South Africa.



posted on Dec, 6 2013 @ 08:01 AM
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Kali74
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I'm pretty positive that is a lie.


For every person who does a lot of good in the world, there are always those who try to smear their reputation. Like Mother Theresa for instance.

I think it makes people feel better about themselves if a do gooder is seen as less than perfect.



posted on Dec, 6 2013 @ 08:12 AM
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nixie_nox

Kali74
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I'm pretty positive that is a lie.


For every person who does a lot of good in the world, there are always those who try to smear their reputation. Like Mother Theresa for instance.

I think it makes people feel better about themselves if a do gooder is seen as less than perfect.


I find i quite refreshing to be honest. Learning about his other side the Media have all ways refused to talk about.

He did good, he did bad.



posted on Dec, 6 2013 @ 08:32 AM
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Kali74
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I'm pretty positive that is a lie.


You have several people in this thread that actually lived there who would disagree with you.

Also:thebackbencher.co.uk... w-about-nelson-mandela/

plaintruthmagazine.blogspot.com... errorist-nelson-mandela.html

They guy was a terrorist, he even admits it himself. But he was a Marxist terrorist, so he is cool by Western leftists and media. He didn't fight for freedom, he didn't fight for black people (ANC killed a LOT of blacks), he fought for Marxism.
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posted on Dec, 6 2013 @ 08:34 AM
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nixie_nox

Kali74
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I'm pretty positive that is a lie.


For every person who does a lot of good in the world, there are always those who try to smear their reputation. Like Mother Theresa for instance.

I think it makes people feel better about themselves if a do gooder is seen as less than perfect.


The truth is a good thing. There are bad people who are canonized for political reasons. Happens quite often. If the truth is that your saint wasn't really one, or had a very wicked past at least, then you should deal with it. Truth is better than blind idolization.



posted on Dec, 6 2013 @ 08:37 AM
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NavyDoc

Kali74
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I'm pretty positive that is a lie.


You have several people in this thread that actually lived there who would disagree with you.

Also:thebackbencher.co.uk... w-about-nelson-mandela/

plaintruthmagazine.blogspot.com... errorist-nelson-mandela.html

www.censorbugbear.org... mandela-the-bombing-record

They guy was a terrorist, he even admits it himself. But he was a Marxist terrorist, so he is cool by Western leftists and media. He didn't fight for freedom, he didn't fight for black people (ANC killed a LOT of blacks), he fought for Marxism.


It would be interesting to hear your views on those Irish Americans that funded the IRA in their campaign of terror both in Northern Ireland and on The British Mainland. Did they aid and abet acts of terrorism?



posted on Dec, 6 2013 @ 08:44 AM
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alldaylong

NavyDoc

Kali74
reply to post by NavyDoc
 


I'm pretty positive that is a lie.


You have several people in this thread that actually lived there who would disagree with you.

Also:thebackbencher.co.uk... w-about-nelson-mandela/

plaintruthmagazine.blogspot.com... errorist-nelson-mandela.html

www.censorbugbear.org... mandela-the-bombing-record

They guy was a terrorist, he even admits it himself. But he was a Marxist terrorist, so he is cool by Western leftists and media. He didn't fight for freedom, he didn't fight for black people (ANC killed a LOT of blacks), he fought for Marxism.


It would be interesting to hear your views on those Irish Americans that funded the IRA in their campaign of terror both in Northern Ireland and on The British Mainland. Did they aid and abet acts of terrorism?


Yep.



posted on Dec, 6 2013 @ 08:47 AM
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Two of your links don't work. As for your third... how did he orchestrate a bombing when he was isolated in jail?



posted on Dec, 6 2013 @ 08:53 AM
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Why do people want to make this guy out to be close to a saint. He was responsible for the African National Congress (ANC). He was responsible for the shooting down of the civilian aircraft full of passengers. He was an avowed communist responsible for destroying the most robust economy in Africa.



posted on Dec, 6 2013 @ 08:54 AM
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NavyDoc

Kali74
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I'm pretty positive that is a lie.


You have several people in this thread that actually lived there who would disagree with you.

Also:thebackbencher.co.uk... w-about-nelson-mandela/

plaintruthmagazine.blogspot.com... errorist-nelson-mandela.html

www.censorbugbear.org... mandela-the-bombing-record

They guy was a terrorist, he even admits it himself. But he was a Marxist terrorist, so he is cool by Western leftists and media. He didn't fight for freedom, he didn't fight for black people (ANC killed a LOT of blacks), he fought for Marxism.


Don't tell me Jubba the Hut has now started a trend and all his followers are going to accuse everyone of being Marxist. Is this going to be the new fad? Is accussing everyone of socialism getting too tired?



posted on Dec, 6 2013 @ 08:55 AM
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Kali74
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Two of your links don't work. As for your third... how did he orchestrate a bombing when he was isolated in jail?


How do mob bosses in prison order hits?

Besides the point is that the founded the terrorist organization, got funding for them, controlled them to use terror against civilians as a weapon...including using land mines, and he and his lovely wife murdered their fellow Africans if they did not follow the ANC.

You can idolize a murderer all you want, but I'm not going to just because celebrities and the MSM tell me to. I'm going to think for myself. The man's past was blood covered--he even admits so in his books. The man's history after being released from prison was not so rosy either. But, he was a leftist terrorist so he is well loved, and the idiots who idolized fellow murderer Che will idolize him, truth and facts being too inconvenient.



posted on Dec, 6 2013 @ 08:56 AM
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And do you also call the Revolutionary War an act of terrorism? Because it was. Why is it only 'resisting tyranny' for our forefathers and no one else? No one else is ever allowed to fight back, if they do they are terrorists, marxists, commies, socialists. What a sickening mentality you are displaying in this thread.



posted on Dec, 6 2013 @ 08:58 AM
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Again. It is no secret that Mandela supported the idea of violent resistance in the 60s especially when he was head of Umkhonto we Sizwe...

But if you're going to link to "proof" link to a source that is not a blog and also don't refer to events that happened in the 70-80s when Mandela was in prison and only allowed 1 censored letter every 6 months (on Robben Island) and 1 censored letter a week (Pollsmoor Prison).

And the lie Kali74 pointed out was the lie that Mandela blew up a bus full of innocent school children. He didn't. Nor did his movements. Nor did anyone in South African history.

And again, may I ask that if you're going to attack someone (i.e. Mandela) or someone's character that you at least know what you're talking about... Thanks.
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posted on Dec, 6 2013 @ 08:59 AM
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Your propaganda originates and propagates at sites like StormFront fyi. Do a little goddamn digging on your sources before you go spilling their filth all over ATS.



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