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Freedom From Religion Foundation is an Organized Accepted Hate Group

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posted on Dec, 5 2013 @ 01:41 PM
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(disclaimer: the OP is not for any religion over another. This post is not about religion)

In recent years we have seen the increase of the restriction of religious expressions of faith. But the troubling trend is not across the board of religions but more specifically targeted against one Religion in particular, Christianity.

Wikipedia defines a hate group as the following:
A hate group is an organized group or movement that advocates and practices hatred, hostility, or violence towards members of a race, ethnicity, religion, gender, sexual orientation or other designated sector of society. According to the United States Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), hate groups' "primary purpose is to promote animosity, hostility, and malice against persons belonging to a race, religion, disability, sexual orientation, or ethnicity/national origin which differs from that of the members of the organization."[1] The Southern Poverty Law Center's (SPLC) definition of a "hate group" includes those having beliefs or practices that attack or malign an entire class of people, typically for their immutable characteristics.[2]

Does not this definition particularly, "an organized group or movement that advocates and practices hatred, hostility, or violence towards members of a race, ethnicity, religion, gender, sexual orientation or other designated sector of society" describe Freedom From Religion Foundation (FFRF)?

When I first heard of FFRF I thought they were an organization setup for the purpose of keeping the Govt from setting up or promoting any religion in Government and Federally funded Schools and organizations. Separation fo Religion and State a noble cause indeed.

But over the years I have seen this is not true of FFRF. They are particularly geared at keeping One Religion and its practices out of Govt, federally funded schools and organizations, while not opposing any other religions or organized spiritual organizations practices. The opening statement of their welcome also shows they are against WESTERN Society this shows true in that they have not by any public record or media story ever been found to oppose EASTERN religions and their practices in any Govt office, or federally funded school or organization.

Recently I went to the FFRF website to see how they effectively are fighting against RELIGIONS that may somehow be promoted or established in our Govt and federally funded schools and organizations. I was surprised to see that only religion they were actively opposing, in the public and private arena, was limited to Christianity.

As I read through each of the tabs listed from their home page the disturbing truth of their single ended and hateful agenda was unfolding. For example under the tab publications were only anti-Christian things like “Debaptism Certificates”, which is done tongue in cheek mockery of Christian Baptism. And all the books promoted are against Christianity and separation of church (Christian religion only) and state.

Now under their “Legal” tab you can click on “Legal Challenges” the read each of the listed challenges and see that their legal actions have been geared and pointed towards Christian Organizations, Schools, and other Christian cults i.e. Catholicism. Not one Islamic challenge, not one Hindu Challenge not one Wicca challenge can be noted. And that is pretty much the scope of their websites clear stated purpose.

It is clearly seen by their web page and their recent actions such as Billboard calling people to believe in man and not God only being erected during the Christmas Holiday or Christian Holidays from Thanksgiving to Christmas and also during Easter holiday. That this group is only attacking one particular group fo people and on religion Christianity. This groups members were recorded on video attacking a Christian woman holding up a cross at an event in Palm Springs California tearing up her cross and spewing hate speech at her. Also more recently supporters of FFRF were part of a group that attacked and beat up a Christian pastor while he was street preaching a bonafide civil right. www.youtube.com... also another man beaten because he of his views and the sign he held:
www.youtube.com... According to the FFRF website they defend gay rights and are outspoken for the GLBT agenda of equality yet those they support are violent offenders against Christianity as well.

Not one instance of FFRF filing cases against Islam broadcasting Muslim prayers over loudspeakers into the street of NY. Not one law suit over the five in the morning call to prayer over loudspeaker to Muslims in many of the major cities in America. Nor have they said anything against High Schools in California that have set prayer rooms for Muslim Students while they file suit against Christians wanting to pray at the flag pole at the same school.

Under the definition of a Hate group is clearly states: A hate group is an organized group or movement that advocates and practices hatred, hostility, or violence towards members of a race, ethnicity, religion, gender, sexual orientation or other designated sector of society. The FFRF clearly falls under the description of a hate group as found.

This Hate group has a 501 not-for profit tax exemption yet they violate the civil rights of ONLY one group of people and religion, Christianity. Their IRS Status should be revoked and they should be investigated as committing hate crimes (i.e. filing law suits, open public attack on their web page) against a targeted people group who only wish the practice their religion freely and openly.

SPLC should list the FFRF as a bonafide hate group, they should not be allowed to get 501 IRS status just like any other hate group, and the American people who truly think freely should see that this is just another hate group receiving US grants to promote hatred of Christianity.

Why is it the the freedom of speech seems to only apply to everyone but Christians?
Why is it the freedom of religion in public places is not allowed for Christians but allowed for all other religions and spiritual groups?
Why is it only Christians are targeted for separation of religion and State and all other religions and groups are not separated?

Because of the persistent animosity, hostility, and malice propagated by hate groups like Freedom From Religion Foundation.

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posted on Dec, 5 2013 @ 01:50 PM
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A hate group is an organized group or movement that advocates and practices hatred, hostility, or violence towards members of a race, ethnicity, religion, gender, sexual orientation or other designated sector of society.


you do know that many christian groups qualify as a hate group then.

because of their views on homosexuality.



posted on Dec, 5 2013 @ 01:55 PM
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grey580
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A hate group is an organized group or movement that advocates and practices hatred, hostility, or violence towards members of a race, ethnicity, religion, gender, sexual orientation or other designated sector of society.


you do know that many christian groups qualify as a hate group then.

because of their views on homosexuality.


I understand that argument. But as I have seen it they are not against the person or a group but against what their Bible says is a SIN, that is their practice. They don't go out of their way to file cases against them. It is mainly the GLBT group that have openly attacked Christians more than the opposite.

Westoboro is a prime example of a "Christian" group that goes out of their way to hound and persecute GLBT's. But then again Westoboro will show up at Christian weddings, Funerals and other events and openly harass hound and persecute those Christians from practicing their ways as well.

But Christians are not the only ones against Homosexuality so is Islam. But not one case has ever been filed against an Islamic group for their teachings and anti-gay speech.

Again it seems to show people biased to see equality in claims such as yours.


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posted on Dec, 5 2013 @ 01:58 PM
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I'm not familiar with this group but I am not understanding where you're coming from with the Eastern religion thing. I live in Texas and the religious groups here that consistently blur the lines of church and state are Christian groups. I have never heard of Islamic groups bypassing science standards to get their books in the schools nor have I heard of teachers giving Islamic prayers in publicly funded schools.

Also a call to prayer or a prayer in the streets would be protected speech in NYC.

If you were a group separating church and state in America you would be going after Christianity because that is the religion that consistently makes it's way into places it shouldn't.

Let me give some examples:

Court ordered AA meetings(religious group)
Court ordered mental health services administered by Christian organizations(receiving public funding yet still promoting religion in their assistance)
Homeless shelters that receive public funds yet require inhabitants to go to church services
The teaching of intelligent design in schools as an alternate theory

So again, I am not aware of Wiccans consistently blurring state lines. If there are examples let me know.



posted on Dec, 5 2013 @ 01:59 PM
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If they allow Westboro Baptist Church to continue its activities, I call this fair play. Jussayin'.



posted on Dec, 5 2013 @ 01:59 PM
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So it's ok to hate as long as it's in a religious text?

I don't buy that argument.

The bible also says that slavery is a natural condition.

So as a Christian you are pro slavery?

You can't follow one part of the text and ignore the other.



posted on Dec, 5 2013 @ 02:01 PM
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AfterInfinity
If they allow Westboro Baptist Church to continue its activities, I call this fair play. Jussayin'.


Westboro is not the measure of true Christianity.



posted on Dec, 5 2013 @ 02:03 PM
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Westboro is not the measure of true Christianity.


And yet it still exists. So that's beside the point.



posted on Dec, 5 2013 @ 02:09 PM
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OrphanApology
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I'm not familiar with this group but I am not understanding where you're coming from with the Eastern religion thing. I live in Texas and the religious groups here that consistently blur the lines of church and state are Christian groups. I have never heard of Islamic groups bypassing science standards to get their books in the schools nor have I heard of teachers giving Islamic prayers in publicly funded schools.

Also a call to prayer or a prayer in the streets would be protected speech in NYC.

If you were a group separating church and state in America you would be going after Christianity because that is the religion that consistently makes it's way into places it shouldn't.

Let me give some examples:

Court ordered AA meetings(religious group)
Court ordered mental health services administered by Christian organizations(receiving public funding yet still promoting religion in their assistance)
Homeless shelters that receive public funds yet require inhabitants to go to church services
The teaching of intelligent design in schools as an alternate theory

So again, I am not aware of Wiccans consistently blurring state lines. If there are examples let me know.


Transcendental meditation is a Hindu form of practice. Just to remove the Hindu overtones does not make it any less Hindu.

For example they will go out of their way to get rid of Christmas songs in school because they are "religious" yet allow "row row row your boat" which clearly states that "Life is but a dream" That is what Hindus, Buddhist and some tribal animistic religions believe, that life is an illusion or a dream.

You have not read the Hadiths closely nor have you been allowed to critique Islamic teachings in their schools to make a fair judgement on their by passing science or any other subject matter for that matter.

it is not about what these groups do or say it is about being equal in the separation of religions and State. That is the point of the OP. we could chase rabbit trails all day on petty issues but the point of the OP is FREEDOM FROM RELIGION FOUNDATION is only against one group Christians.

And you are saying it is alright because Christians buck the system. I say NO it is not for any religion in the STATE run or sponsored schools or offices.

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posted on Dec, 5 2013 @ 02:10 PM
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AfterInfinity
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Westboro is not the measure of true Christianity.


And yet it still exists. So that's beside the point.


NO the point of the OP is that Westboro is labeled a hate group while FFRF is not. Yet both practice the same activities.



posted on Dec, 5 2013 @ 02:11 PM
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grey580
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So it's ok to hate as long as it's in a religious text?

I don't buy that argument.

The bible also says that slavery is a natural condition.

So as a Christian you are pro slavery?

You can't follow one part of the text and ignore the other.


I never said that. But I am sure you hate murder and that is in their religious text too.



posted on Dec, 5 2013 @ 02:11 PM
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So is Christianity.



posted on Dec, 5 2013 @ 02:11 PM
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So basically you're here to stir up hatred towards a 'hate group'?

Maybe we should just let them continue until the karmic Scales of Balance are evened out, taking into account the Inquisition, witch burning, the Crusades, and other such warm hearted novelties brought to us by religious whackjobs with their own cute interpretations of the Bible?

Seems to me your panties wouldn't be in such a bunch if you were secure in your religion and had no need to proselytize it out to people who:

1. Weren't in the least bit interested.

2. Have already considered the idea and found it wanting.

As a lifelong atheist who has had a snoot-ful of people who are obviously irrational and think quoting a Bronze Age, badly translated and copied viciously immoral and sadistically violent tome as the height of wisdom and goodness, I have issues with trying to stop the alternative view from being expressed freely.



posted on Dec, 5 2013 @ 02:13 PM
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Please everyone keep on topic.

The OP is showing that FFRF is a Hate groups just like any other and should be labeled as sort.

go to the links see for yourself and make a rational comment.

If FFRF is not a hate group then find me one instance of them opposing any other religion other than Christianity because so far I have not been able to find one.



posted on Dec, 5 2013 @ 02:16 PM
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signalfire
So basically you're here to stir up hatred towards a 'hate group'?

Maybe we should just let them continue until the karmic Scales of Balance are evened out, taking into account the Inquisition, witch burning, the Crusades, and other such warm hearted novelties brought to us by religious whackjobs with their own cute interpretations of the Bible?

Seems to me your panties wouldn't be in such a bunch if you were secure in your religion and had no need to proselytize it out to people who:

1. Weren't in the least bit interested.

2. Have already considered the idea and found it wanting.

As a lifelong atheist who has had a snoot-ful of people who are obviously irrational and think quoting a Bronze Age, badly translated and copied viciously immoral and sadistically violent tome as the height of wisdom and goodness, I have issues with trying to stop the alternative view from being expressed freely.


Before getting personal you shouold at least do some research.

You are a Hindu adherent if you call on the laws of Karma.

No one is advocating any religion here. No One is saying one religion is better than another.

What the OP is saying is that FFRF is not truthful in being Anti RELIGION and STATE.. They are only Anti Christianity and STATE.

Is that not what the OP States.



posted on Dec, 5 2013 @ 02:22 PM
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The Atheist group speaks against the whichever other group is most vocal, last time i heard, it was Christianity is the most judgmental group that trying to get into school....not Islam, Hindu is or Buddhism.

If you go to India, im sure you will find Atheist who will oppose Hinduism there.

Yoga tho it has roots in Hinduism, do you learned about Hindu gods when you leave the class? i thought not but lets say they have a secret agenda to spread vegetarianism and holy cow thru Yoga.. are you forced to Yoga class?




"row row row your boat" which clearly states that "Life is but a dream" that is what Hindus and Buddhist believe that life is an illusion.


Did you make a nursery rhyme founded by a American who in 1800 were most likely christian.. is a song about Hindu/Buddhist teaching?

2nd of all, do you even know what they teach or you have christianity rammed up in you so much that you see these unusual correlation?




You sound like a pissed off, possibly delusional christian.



posted on Dec, 5 2013 @ 02:24 PM
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I feel it should be pointed out that the organization in question is American. Anyone want to remind me what the predominant spiritual sect is in America? Anyone wanna put two and two together?



posted on Dec, 5 2013 @ 02:31 PM
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luciddream
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The Atheist group speaks against the whichever other group is most vocal, last time i heard, it was Christianity is the most judgmental group that trying to get into school....not Islam, Hindu is or Buddhism.

If you go to India, im sure you will find Atheist who will oppose Hinduism there.

Yoga tho it has roots in Hinduism, do you learned about Hindu gods when you leave the class? i thought not but lets say they have a secret agenda to spread vegetarianism and holy cow thru Yoga.. are you forced to Yoga class?




"row row row your boat" which clearly states that "Life is but a dream" that is what Hindus and Buddhist believe that life is an illusion.


Did you make a nursery rhyme founded by a American who in 1800 were most likely christian.. is a song about Hindu/Buddhist teaching?

2nd of all, do you even know what they teach or you have christianity rammed up in you so much that you see these unusual correlation?

You sound like a pissed off, possibly delusional christian.


Personal attack is uncalled for and will result in the thread being shut down. Please control your urges to spew personal hate.

separation of religion and state is not about who is being the most vocal it is about being sure that NO RELIGION is allowed to practice in the Publicly funded areas. Of which FFRF has not been treating their agenda with equality towards all religions.

Also Row Row Row your boat is an Egyptian, Sumerian and some Galic Tribal beleif that when you left this world you went across in a boat.

Again you and others are making this issue about Christiaity being "rammed up you" or "forced upon you". This post is not about Christianity is it about a group that is not equal in its treatment of Religions when it comes to separation of Religion and State.



posted on Dec, 5 2013 @ 02:34 PM
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AfterInfinity
I feel it should be pointed out that the organization in question is American. Anyone want to remind me what the predominant spiritual sect is in America? Anyone wanna put two and two together?



Again justification for the lies and practices of the FFRF is no excuse just because one religion is predominate or not.

This is about fair treatment under the law of Separation of Religion and State.

I am not saying Christianity is right or wrong or that it is better than another. as a matter of FACT I never brought my own beliefs into the post.

Either you agree that FFRF is not Fair or you Don't but making it Christianity vs the world is wrong because that is not what the post is about.



posted on Dec, 5 2013 @ 02:36 PM
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So call up the FFRF and tell them to get started being actively against all religions, not your chosen favorite.

I'm sure they'll get right on it.





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