'Tell Rush Limbaugh: We Support Pope Francis!' Catholic Petition Demands An Apology

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posted on Dec, 5 2013 @ 12:35 PM
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reply to post by Willtell
 


It pains me to say this friend but has history taught you nothing. The Catholic Church will never change.




posted on Dec, 5 2013 @ 12:44 PM
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If the Pope wants to distribute all the wealth of the rich, he should open up and sell off the Vatican original artwork, ancient texts, Papal jewels, ornate gold decor, some Vatican land holdings, etc. I bet that few $billion would certainly satisfy a few homeless and hungry people.

The Catholic church is far removed from the teachings of Christ. I bet he never molested prepubescent boys or wanted the central chuch to be grandiose like the Vatican. As Ghandi said "I like your Christ but your Christians not so much".

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posted on Dec, 5 2013 @ 12:48 PM
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NavyDoc

MOMof3
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He did not tell anyone what to do. He gave choices. Two. Heaven or Hell. "I am The Way, The Truth, and The Life". All of His teachings directed us to have love and forgiveness for one another. You moneychangers can try to rewrite the meaning but it won't change the Truth. As the evidence is now in after 30 years of rampant greed and policies.


And where is taking from one to give to another one of the choices presented?


"You moneychangers?" How stupid. I'm fairly certain I have given more to charity, in money, materiel, and service in the last decade than you have done in your entire life. Ever hear of operation smile?

What Christ encouraged, and I agree with, is personal giving and charity. What he did not encourage nor even mentioned, was socialism and wealth redistribution and coercive "charity." The selfish are not those who wish to keep the fruits of their labor. The thieves are not those who want to give to whom and how much and when they choose. The selfish thieves are those who want to take from one to give to another to satisfy their warped notions of "fairness" and "social justice" and they are every bit as hypocritical as the Pharisees and every bit as greedy as the moneychangers in the temple. They just cloak themselves in self righteousness which is even more disgusting.

C.S. Lewis talks about your ilk: “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. They may be more likely to go to Heaven yet at the same time likelier to make a Hell of earth. This very kindness stings with intolerable insult. To be "cured" against one's will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals.”



That was so good I had to copy the quote so people that keep missing the point by a long shot with have the opportunity to see it again. Accurate and to the point!



posted on Dec, 6 2013 @ 08:59 AM
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What is stupid is attributing Christ with your human flaw of greed and politics. You should read the words of Jesus. Where did he leave out love and forgiveness, attributes unattainable by political conservatives.



posted on Dec, 6 2013 @ 09:16 AM
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MOMof3
reply to post by NavyDoc
 


What is stupid is attributing Christ with your human flaw of greed and politics. You should read the words of Jesus. Where did he leave out love and forgiveness, attributes unattainable by political conservatives.


Let he who is blameless cast the first stone.

Remove the plank from thine own eye.

Where did we attribute greed to Christ? I don't think we did.

What we did say is that charity is choice. You have to choose to give, not have the giving chosen for you. If someone else chooses to take my money and give it for me, then I didn't do the giving. I was not charitable. Unless I take the money out of my pocket and give it away myself, no charity is done by me.

And no matter how many times you vote for a politician who promises policy A, B or C that you think will be charity, you haven't actually done charity that way either. You didn't choose to give of yourself. You have a false sense of morality from it. You get a rosy glow of having "done the right thing" by "giving at the office" when you really haven't actually given anything at all.

Unless you take the money out of your own pocket and give it with your own hands, no actual charity is done. Unless you go out and labor with your own body to help someone less fortunate, no actual charity is done.

Anything else is just empty words, empty works.

Jesus wants us to choose to do actual works, to choose to actually give of ourselves. You know, real charity. He doesn't want us phoning it in.
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posted on Dec, 6 2013 @ 09:48 AM
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I have made my choice and have always given because I embraced the teachings of Jesus at nine with a child's heart. He said to enter the Kingdom of Heaven we must turn around and become as children. Mt.18



posted on Dec, 6 2013 @ 09:49 AM
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MOMof3
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What is stupid is attributing Christ with your human flaw of greed and politics. You should read the words of Jesus. Where did he leave out love and forgiveness, attributes unattainable by political conservatives.


I didn't attribute greed to Christ. In fact, I have said multiple, multiple, multiple, multiple times that Christ espoused giving and charity. I have said that is good and Christ-like to give of yourself. I have read the words of Jesus and he says exactly that and it was obvious he was apolitical. It s the left who tries to make a political statement from his teaching of giving. Political conservatives are more into love and forgiveness than leftists, who think that only the state has a monopoly on such.



posted on Dec, 6 2013 @ 09:51 AM
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MOMof3
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I have made my choice and have always given because I embraced the teachings of Jesus at nine with a child's heart. He said to enter the Kingdom of Heaven we must turn around and become as children. Mt.18



Well good for you, but so did I and so have I always given, but your statements are extremely ugly and offensive to me as a conservative. I don't think Jesus would be very happy with them either.

How can I give and continue to give when the government takes all I have? Answer: I can't because then I have nothing left. And, as I explain, I cannot be charitable if Caesar is doing the giving.



posted on Dec, 6 2013 @ 09:51 AM
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MOMof3
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I have made my choice and have always given because I embraced the teachings of Jesus at nine with a child's heart. He said to enter the Kingdom of Heaven we must turn around and become as children. Mt.18



I have done so as well. All of my life and even when it was very, very hard to do. The difference is that I don't believe in forcing you to do what I should be doing myself and then calling it "charity".



posted on Dec, 6 2013 @ 10:06 AM
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You misunderstand my point. If more believed the true teachings of Jesus and acted like it, there would be no need for government. You and I cannot solve the problem of the poor alone.

How can anyone deny that since the Crash of '08, all the subsidies have benefited the rich. What in the name of God is wrong with tilting the scales just a little for the less fortunate? And forgive them for being failures.



posted on Dec, 6 2013 @ 02:00 PM
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bjax9er
Why are the poorest countries around the world socialist?

Why do socialist countries all throughout history murder millions of their own citizens? Like nazi germany.

Isn't the pope from Argentina? A socialist hell hole.
Once the second wealthiest country in the world.
Now after all out socialism their GDP is $500 billion.

Hey jackwagons, utopia is an impossibility.

Capitalism is BOSS!!!


Argentina is currently at its record-highest GDP, though by another measure, at one point, largely due to explain of untouched natural resources by early settlers, it was the 10th wealthiest per capita. Not arguing against your point, but you choose an example which just plain doesn't make sense or fit the numbers you're putting out there.

Regardless, Rush and the Oxy Crew our whatever his acolytes call themselves, May our may not be right in their critique, but at least we know the Pope represents Christianity, while Rush & Palin oppose and despise Christianity.



posted on Dec, 6 2013 @ 02:10 PM
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bjax9er
Why are the poorest countries around the world socialist?

Why do socialist countries all throughout history murder millions of their own citizens? Like nazi germany.

Isn't the pope from Argentina? A socialist hell hole.
Once the second wealthiest country in the world.
Now after all out socialism their GDP is $500 billion.

Hey jackwagons, utopia is an impossibility.

Capitalism is BOSS!!!


Argentina is currently at its record-highest GDP, though by another measure, at one point, largely due to explain of untouched natural resources by early settlers, it was the 10th wealthiest per capita. Not arguing against your point, but you choose an example which just plain doesn't make sense or fit the numbers you're putting out there.

Regardless, Rush and the Oxy Crew our whatever his acolytes call themselves, May our may not be right in their critique, but at least we know the Pope represents Christianity, while Rush & Palin oppose and despise Christianity.



posted on Dec, 6 2013 @ 02:30 PM
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The Catholic Church is the largest and most corrupt organization on the planet. It has over two millennium of history. A history full hypocrisy.

A few nice words from the new "CEO" soon after being appointed aren't enough to erase the profoundly negative track record of this hateful entity.



posted on Dec, 6 2013 @ 03:47 PM
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MOMof3
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You misunderstand my point. If more believed the true teachings of Jesus and acted like it, there would be no need for government. You and I cannot solve the problem of the poor alone.

How can anyone deny that since the Crash of '08, all the subsidies have benefited the rich. What in the name of God is wrong with tilting the scales just a little for the less fortunate? And forgive them for being failures.


Helping the less fortunate is good. The government taking from one to give to another: CEOS, banks, corporations, or individual people is not good.



posted on Dec, 17 2013 @ 08:42 AM
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but it was capitalism that made electricity available to everyone, including the poor.

Did the poor gain anything in return of this great capitalism? no. If you want to see just how the great capitalism has being for the poor and the middle class why dont you ask the Spanish? Greeks?
Italians?


By the way my English is fine, what you did there you just attacked without even going over my points on Globalization thats fine to.
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posted on Dec, 17 2013 @ 07:47 PM
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Historically, the government was more instrumental in getting electricity in all homes. By 1935 the US was way behind Europe in supplying electricity to rural areas. The private companies did not want to spend money stringing that many poles and charged 4x's the rate of cities. US had a LOT of farmers and small towns at that time. So, in the New Deal, Franklin started a program that got electricity to the rural areas.





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