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'Tell Rush Limbaugh: We Support Pope Francis!' Catholic Petition Demands An Apology

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posted on Dec, 5 2013 @ 12:51 AM
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Agent_USA_Supporter
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Capitalism is BOSS!!!

Yup its the boss if your the 1% thats making around 50, 000 to million and has no worries of a market crash at all.

The fact that Capitalism system is also undoing the poor in North America? name a few things that Capitalism has achieved to help the poor class.


I dont believe that Jesus would be in favor of Capitalism, but hey thats ok lets believe he knows what Jesus after all Rush told us that part.
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here is a few "things"

flushed toilets
clean running water
refrigeration
the automobile
ELECTRICITY
the light bulb
OIL
steam energy
locomotive
telephone

huh, all of these things were invented when there actually was some capitalism.

imagine if.

you do know that the "poor class" and the "middle class" are terms right from the finger tips of karl marx himself?

he liked the terms "bourgeoisie" and "proletariat". but for ignorant people, rich and poor will do just fine...

radio
airplanes
x-ray
the capacitor
the PC
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posted on Dec, 5 2013 @ 12:56 AM
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Wait, wasn't Pope Francis criticizing trickle-down economics and wealth inequality? Trickle-down economics, or the redistribution of wealth, is not capitalist, it is socialist. That is what he was speaking out against. He was arguing that those who have more than enough should help those who don't have enough without being forced to do so. Does anyone disagree with that ideology? What exactly is the argument here other than whether or not Rush Limbaugh is clinically insane? (I am not a member of a political party). You could argue that wealth inequality is a result of capitalism, and Pope Francis was speaking out against wealth inequality, but if you think it's necessary for corporations with monopolies like McDonald's to put countless local businesses all across the world out of business so that a very small number of people can make hundreds of millions of dollars then I just don't know what to say. Capitalism doesn't account for morality.



posted on Dec, 5 2013 @ 01:05 AM
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bjax9er

Agent_USA_Supporter
reply to post by bjax9er
 





Capitalism is BOSS!!!

Yup its the boss if your the 1% thats making around 50, 000 to million and has no worries of a market crash at all.

The fact that Capitalism system is also undoing the poor in North America? name a few things that Capitalism has achieved to help the poor class.


I dont believe that Jesus would be in favor of Capitalism, but hey thats ok lets believe he knows what Jesus after all Rush told us that part.
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here is a few "things"

flushed toilets
clean running water
refrigeration
the automobile
ELECTRICITY
the light bulb
OIL
steam energy
locomotive
telephone

huh, all of these things were invented when there actually was some capitalism.

imagine if.

you do know that the "poor class" and the "middle class" are terms right from the finger tips of karl marx himself?

he liked the terms "bourgeoisie" and "proletariat". but for ignorant people, rich and poor will do just fine...


Again the things you listed is not what has Capitalism has achieved to help the poor class. The things you listed are called inventions.




ELECTRICITY

Yes and you know whom made ELECTRICITY? was it Capitalism? no it was Nikola Tesla. Nikola Tesla him self wasn't that of a capitalist.

In fact did you know Nikola Tesla had dreamed of everyone having Free ELECTRICITY in every move while now we are all paying for it?

I am sure you are enjoying to pay for what you earn of living for what is worth in life but hey thats normal. According to you.





huh, all of these things were invented when there actually was some capitalism. imagine if. you do know that the "poor class" and the "middle class" are terms right from the finger tips of karl marx himself? he liked the terms "bourgeoisie" and "proletariat". but for ignorant people, rich and poor will do just fine...

Oh just like the same you are bringing Capitalism and globalization by bombing countries and replacing there leaders with someone more favorable towards the agenda your government is pursing?

You listed OIL as Capitalism? thanks for doing that.

Lets all Remember how Capitalism was brought to Iraq and Libya and now Syria again how they are doing? throwing flowers at American embassies lol?


I lived in Italy during through 1992 till 1996 Italy wasn't socialist but capitalist did the Italians get for what they were getting then and are they so now and if so were they better of then or now? no.

Back when i lived there we struggled, you think everything else is as easy you claim whatever under Capitalism or not.

It isn't because under Capitalism only 15% out of an million people depending on which capitalist country can only succeed in life and wealth while the poor would still struggle.
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posted on Dec, 5 2013 @ 01:06 AM
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Trickle-down economics, or the redistribution of wealth, is not capitalist, it is socialist. That is what he was speaking out against.

I dont think so.



posted on Dec, 5 2013 @ 01:23 AM
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undo
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no more inquisitions. no more burning at the stake. no more drowning in the river. no more torture chambers. run away from that while you still can.

I hope not.
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posted on Dec, 5 2013 @ 01:27 AM
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"Yes and you know whom made ELECTRICITY?"

NO, please enlighten me.
i do know it sure as hell wasn't Tesla.

but it was capitalism that made electricity available to everyone, including the poor.

you know punctuation, and spelling goes a long way while typing on your capitalist machine.

are oil companies dropping bombs all over the middle east?
or
is the marxist obama dropping the bombs?



posted on Dec, 5 2013 @ 01:34 AM
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ghostfacekilah00

PRS395
Since the former Bar Bouncer(The Pope) has officially signed up to push his socialism agenda on the world,

ALL BETS ARE OFF!

I am not a Rush fan, though he is right. So you have no argument because you lost at the start of the thread. The truth wins.

Don't get mad, get the facts. If you can't handle being wrong, well go to home depot and get a big mirror and look at it for as long as it takes.


Yeah, the Pope pointed out the immorality of the vast economic and social differences in the world, where billions are starving, malnourished, dying of preventable diseases, and have no hope for upward mobility in a world where we have more than enough resources for everyone and a few are living vastly unnecessary luxurious lives. Did you know that 1% of the the annual income of America's richest 1% could feed every third world nation for a year?

And then he pointed out that a system that forcibly takes a portion of the riches from the wealthy and redistributes it to the poor for them is less moral than if people chose to give to the needy themselves. All bets are off though when the Pope is preaching such a heinous ideology, the ideology of Jesus Christ. We are all doomed.
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hey, you don't think there are rich people in them countries?

huh? do ya?
who do u think runs them?

poor people?


are you serious?

get THEM to give it out. not the US.

you people kill me.


forget ideology, lets get down to who has the money.



posted on Dec, 5 2013 @ 01:44 AM
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tsingtao

ghostfacekilah00

PRS395
Since the former Bar Bouncer(The Pope) has officially signed up to push his socialism agenda on the world,

ALL BETS ARE OFF!

I am not a Rush fan, though he is right. So you have no argument because you lost at the start of the thread. The truth wins.

Don't get mad, get the facts. If you can't handle being wrong, well go to home depot and get a big mirror and look at it for as long as it takes.


Yeah, the Pope pointed out the immorality of the vast economic and social differences in the world, where billions are starving, malnourished, dying of preventable diseases, and have no hope for upward mobility in a world where we have more than enough resources for everyone and a few are living vastly unnecessary luxurious lives. Did you know that 1% of the the annual income of America's richest 1% could feed every third world nation for a year?

And then he pointed out that a system that forcibly takes a portion of the riches from the wealthy and redistributes it to the poor for them is less moral than if people chose to give to the needy themselves. All bets are off though when the Pope is preaching such a heinous ideology, the ideology of Jesus Christ. We are all doomed.
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hey, you don't think there are rich people in them countries?

huh? do ya?
who do u think runs them?

poor people?


are you serious?

get THEM to give it out. not the US.

you people kill me.


forget ideology, lets get down to who has the money.


I might have been unclear because I cited a US statistic, but I am talking about the wealthy all over the world. And why other countries but not the US? The US is the wealthiest nation on Earth and has many of the richest people on Earth.
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posted on Dec, 5 2013 @ 01:47 AM
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Agent_USA_Supporter
reply to post by ghostfacekilah00
 




Trickle-down economics, or the redistribution of wealth, is not capitalist, it is socialist. That is what he was speaking out against.

I dont think so.


Well... it is.



posted on Dec, 5 2013 @ 02:09 AM
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ghostfacekilah00

tsingtao

ghostfacekilah00

PRS395
Since the former Bar Bouncer(The Pope) has officially signed up to push his socialism agenda on the world,

ALL BETS ARE OFF!

I am not a Rush fan, though he is right. So you have no argument because you lost at the start of the thread. The truth wins.

Don't get mad, get the facts. If you can't handle being wrong, well go to home depot and get a big mirror and look at it for as long as it takes.


Yeah, the Pope pointed out the immorality of the vast economic and social differences in the world, where billions are starving, malnourished, dying of preventable diseases, and have no hope for upward mobility in a world where we have more than enough resources for everyone and a few are living vastly unnecessary luxurious lives. Did you know that 1% of the the annual income of America's richest 1% could feed every third world nation for a year?

And then he pointed out that a system that forcibly takes a portion of the riches from the wealthy and redistributes it to the poor for them is less moral than if people chose to give to the needy themselves. All bets are off though when the Pope is preaching such a heinous ideology, the ideology of Jesus Christ. We are all doomed.
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hey, you don't think there are rich people in them countries?

huh? do ya?
who do u think runs them?

poor people?


are you serious?

get THEM to give it out. not the US.

you people kill me.


forget ideology, lets get down to who has the money.


I might have been unclear because I cited a US statistic, but I am talking about the wealthy all over the world.


lol, how much was arrafat worth, chaves, kim jong- whaterever? mao?

castro? the son of the new guinea dictator, or wherever bought a 30mil mansion in cali, the US wants to charge him with something, kaddafy, hussain, the freakin mullahs, pinochet, marcos, stalin, give me a break.

u take THEIR monies, not ours.

start there. not 1 rich guy in bangaladesh? seriously?

china has a bunch of billionaires.
go help the countries that need it most.
all the idiots in afghanistan and pakistan are poor? assad? geeze!

name a country, that really needs money and the leaders are poor.

the sultan of brunai, big money, but his people are doing well. small place.

let's see some charity from others first.

thailand, mexico, name a place! greese? onassis.

soros, gates, buffet, jimmy and warren.

zuckerburg, allen, wtf?

many others, the russian oligarky, lol, (sp)

even viet nam, burma, cambodia.

screw the mid-east, too many, there. take their money.



posted on Dec, 5 2013 @ 05:08 AM
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it doesn't have anything to do with catholic people. it's the hierarchy. the catholic people are just as much victims of the hierarchy as any non catholics.



posted on Dec, 5 2013 @ 05:29 AM
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ghostfacekilah00
Wait, wasn't Pope Francis criticizing trickle-down economics and wealth inequality? Trickle-down economics, or the redistribution of wealth, is not capitalist, it is socialist. That is what he was speaking out against. He was arguing that those who have more than enough should help those who don't have enough without being forced to do so. Does anyone disagree with that ideology? What exactly is the argument here other than whether or not Rush Limbaugh is clinically insane? (I am not a member of a political party). You could argue that wealth inequality is a result of capitalism, and Pope Francis was speaking out against wealth inequality, but if you think it's necessary for corporations with monopolies like McDonald's to put countless local businesses all across the world out of business so that a very small number of people can make hundreds of millions of dollars then I just don't know what to say. Capitalism doesn't account for morality.


there are 2 forms of socialism in the usa, both vying for power. they arose at the same time, prior to and leading up to, ww2, in europe and asia. those are fascist socialism and communist socialism. this same power struggle was in the vatican as well. the jesuits preferred communist socialism, whereas the popes preferred fascist socialism. in either case, there's a dictator, one which is religious and the other which is the exact opposite. that's why you can read a statement from a jesuit pope and it doesn't sound much different than a speech from karl marx or lenin.

what marx's communist revolution did, was starve to death, millions of catholics, right in their homes. men, women, children, babies, didn't matter the age. the marxists turned the entire ukraine into one big concentration camp, probably the biggest in human history, and the media in the west hid it from everyone. meanwhile hitler was doing the same thing but he was a bit nicer to the catholics than communists were. and we heard all about his activities.

you will begin to notice more and more people of the non-faith, marxist variety, taking a liking to the jesuit pope because he's a marxist. just so ya know.



posted on Dec, 5 2013 @ 05:44 AM
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posted on Dec, 5 2013 @ 06:43 AM
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how marxism differs from the teachings of jesus

1. give to others who ask. (meaning don't take other people's labor without their permission but do give, if you have it to give. 1 person with something and one person with nothing, suggests the one with something give to the one with nothing but if the one with nothing never figures out how to get something for himself, he will back to get more of your something and you won't have it to give to him because you already gave him your something. so now you are both destitute. this is what is known as misery loves company and it feeds on itself like a cannibal

the idea here being that you ask people who can afford to share their blessings with you, not some poor schmuck who can barely keep his own head above the water. that poor schmuck is the middle class working man. quit trying to steal his something if you expect him to have anything to give you later. instead, ask the guys who won't be hurt by your request. meanwhile, the middle class guy, if not robbed of his somethings repeatedly, will eventually have enough something to easily share it with you till you can get on your own feet. the reason why we are moving away from this ideal system is because the real power brokers of the planet, want to own every body and every thing and they can't do that if we have any somethings to share with each other.

2. don't steal from others (meaning don't take other people's labor without their permission)

3. follow the laws of the land where you live (unless of course, the laws of the land require you to steal other people's labor against their will and do other things that jesus talked about as being bad, such as murder, lying and so on)


notice nowhere in jesus' speeches does he say that if you're poor, you are allowed to steal without permission, force others into poverty for your own benefit, or any variation thereof.
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posted on Dec, 5 2013 @ 06:50 AM
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The Catholic Churches stance against contraception is probably more responsible for poverty on this planet, than the most evil capitalist corporation.



posted on Dec, 5 2013 @ 06:54 AM
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I can't stand Rush. But at the same time, the Pope should stick to theology and stay out of international economics. When he starts talking about wealth redistribution it makes me nervous. Who would be in charge? HIM? Obama? the corrupt UN? Some new organization made up of corrupt men? No thanks.



posted on Dec, 5 2013 @ 06:57 AM
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woodwardjnr
The Catholic Churches stance against contraception is probably more responsible for poverty on this planet, than the most evil capitalist corporation.


- How many Catholics actually follow that doctrine? Answer .... last estimate was 10%.

- Are you saying that all the people in Africa and the Muslim Middle East/Persian countries and the poorest countries around the world are dogmatic Catholics? That would be silly to even claim that.

No. The Catholic stand against contraception is NOT responsible for the poverty in the world.
Not even close.



posted on Dec, 5 2013 @ 07:02 AM
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Agent_USA_Supporter
the things you listed is not what has Capitalism has achieved to help the poor class. The things you listed are called inventions.


INVENTIONS sparked because of capitalism. Without capitalism and/or the promise of personal gain, people aren't motivated to invent or move ahead. Every invention on the planet is sparked by the knowledge it will bring the inventor some kind of personal gain ... either financially or with job security or with fame ...


Oh .. and big bad capitalism brought you the computer that you are keying on ... and the electricity that runs that computer .... and the websites like THIS ONE that you go to on the computer ... and the software that you are using .... and the clothing you are wearing (assuming you wear clothes) ... and the food that you are eating .... and the toothbrush that you use ... and your toothpaste .. and your shampoo .. and your soap .. and the lamp that is in the room you are sitting in ... and the TV that you watch ... and the cable that comes over the TV .... and the very food in your stomach .... and the beer and/or wine and/or soda that you drink .. and the water that you shower with .... etc ALL brought to you by capitalism.

Wanna be rid of capitalism ... then go toss your computer in a trash can, and your TV, and your cell phone ... etc etc .... go ahead.


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posted on Dec, 5 2013 @ 07:11 AM
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buster2010
Any kind of petition to that drug addict would only feed his ego and make him think he is more important than he really is. Besides anyone who has read the words of Jesus and thinks he would support the capitalist system is an idiot.


I could say the same thing about being an idiot to anyone who has read the words of Jesus and thinks He would support a socialist system as being an idiot as well. Christ talked about personal charity and the goodness of freely giving to those who need help, but nowhere even remotely does He discuss any support for taking from your fellow man to give to another man whom you deem "more deserving." Nowhere does He support wealth redistribution. Again, this is an example of people seeing what they want to see to support their agenda.

Besides, we are supposed to have a secular government with separation of church and state, so what Christ may or may not have wanted really means nothing in terms of government.



posted on Dec, 5 2013 @ 07:11 AM
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FlyersFan
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I can't stand Rush. But at the same time, the Pope should stick to theology and stay out of international economics. When he starts talking about wealth redistribution it makes me nervous. Who would be in charge? HIM? Obama? the corrupt UN? Some new organization made up of corrupt men? No thanks.



marxism has single-handedly killed more catholic people than any wars or any plagues. all by himself, stalin killed more catholics than the wars between catholics and muslims, or even the black plague. eventually, marxism fizzles out because it can't support itself without capitalism and the big monopolistic capitalists, that we use to have laws against, after draining the economy of the marxist nation of wealth, lose interest and go off to the next victim. eventually the country recovers some of its orginal roots, but is now so devastated that it becomes a third world nation. this repeats, everywhere and is driven forward by the idealism of the youth. instead of insisting on laws that regulate out of control monopolies, they blame their neighbor who still has enough money to buy food, and the thing snowballs on itself, like a gigantic life-draining machine.



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