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Water Fluoridation will NOT kill you.

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posted on Dec, 13 2013 @ 07:43 AM
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Here is a good vid from RT - they break fluoride down to understand exactly where it comes from and how it is put into the water and some facts concerning dental hygiene.
Points out lower IQ's in fluoridated towns.

Fluoride - just not a good idea




posted on Dec, 13 2013 @ 08:22 AM
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Instead of talking about "pretty teeth", why not do some research into why dental hygiene is necessary for whole body health and how easy it is to add fluoride to the water to aid in keeping the teeth healthy?
No one ever talked about the aesthetic appeal of teeth on this thread.



posted on Dec, 13 2013 @ 08:25 AM
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Murgatroid
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To each his own though. I might read it, I love fiction!

I believe this thread makes that pretty dang obvious...

The rest of us prefer the truth.

...with absolutely zero facts to back up your "truth". Just like a priest that believes his "truth".

Like I said, to each his/her own.



posted on Dec, 13 2013 @ 08:26 AM
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badgerprints

superman2012

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Even if the fluoride came first, it does not change the fact that is has been beneficial in dental hygiene.

Yes, Massive fluorine pollution came first and the fluoride for oral hygiene game is there to cover it up.

NO.
Fluoride has not been beneficial to oral hygiene. It causes long term damage to teeth. Not to mention the fact that it is damaging to the rest of the body on many levels.

There is no justification for fluoride beyond the need to carry on a lie by people who would rather poison themselves and their children than admit they had been taken in by crooked government.
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Please list your sources for your claims just as I have.


Four hundred page book I mentioned has all of the relevant details with sources.
You already said there's no way in hell you'd read the book so I really don't care if you believe it or not.
It's not a debate or a contest for points.
The facts exist and are available in extensive detail.
You're not going to read that though.
So enjoy your fluoride.

Absolutely. Why read a book that quotes all untruths and only takes a portion of studies (non-human related) to bend to their agenda?



posted on Dec, 13 2013 @ 08:29 AM
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Apparently you missed the mark again.

I came on here to show people (and I have) that the lies repeated in the anti-fluoride camp are just that.
There is no proof of any of their claims.
When I show that, the goalposts get moved.
Fine, it is a neurotoxin. Fine, it gets used in Sarin gas production.

What I haven't seen is the fearful telling me at what %, which kind, how exactly it is used, etc. and how that compares to properly dosed water fluoridation. Again, they take a small part of what they read, and run it up the fear flagpole.
There is nothing wrong with making fun of that.

You want to call me condescending? Damn right I am. After a thread that has gone on this long, and dealing with MANY people that decide to just attack me, rather than refute ANYTHING I have said, it gets frustrating and eventually you realize that you must handle these people like you would to a two year old explaining how lightening works and it isn't God bowling.
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posted on Dec, 13 2013 @ 10:34 AM
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jibajaba
Here is a good vid from RT - they break fluoride down to understand exactly where it comes from and how it is put into the water and some facts concerning dental hygiene.
Points out lower IQ's in fluoridated towns.

Fluoride - just not a good idea

It's funny that she compares water fluoridation to other substances that have since been proven harmful (asbestos, etc) when none of these were ever added to water, nor were they ever used as a health aid. Notice how she starts right out implying that they are linked, when they are not?
She then goes on to say that it is the same fluoride added into every municipal water supply. First of all, not all municipalities add fluoride. Second, there are 3 different types added.
You will also notice the comparison to the rest of the world. What they NEVER say is, how much of those water supplies have naturally occurring fluoride and to what concentrations? Are they required to take it out if it is too high? In China, the answer is no. In Iran, the answer is no. I know that much from the "Harvard Study". Other places I have no idea, just as the anti's don't.
She then goes on to talk about the ADA and the 1944 journal. Turns out that was an editorial. She should know (being a "reporter") that an editorial is an opinion piece.
I stopped watching after that. Sorry.

The lower IQ claim is not real either...not for properly dosed water fluoridation anyways.

Thanks for the vid though!



posted on Dec, 13 2013 @ 11:53 AM
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I don't believe there are any benefits to ingesting it.




water is a great medium for introducing fluoride to people that otherwise wouldn't have it, but there should be a better way to do it




I absolutely agree. If they gave the drops out for free and told people exactly how to do it. Put a couple of drops in, swish for whatever amount of time, and then spit.



Okay.

Now may I ask; What is your reasoning for having a municipality giving drops out for free of this one specific thing? Considering all of what our bodies need, I believe fluoride to be very low on that list. Because you have done your research; Why is this substance being provided and administered to us for free, above all other essentials?

I'm also trying to understand the method we use, which requires municipalities to go through greater lengths to add it to the water, and then people have to go through great lengths to remove it, instead of just keeping them separate in drop, salt, or tablet form... If, in your research, you have found the answer as to why we mix it with the water supply, I'd like to know. If not, would you care to speculate for me?

Depending on, and whatever your findings/speculation(s) may be, I'd like to further my inquiry with you, if you don't mind, of course.

Again...
Why the selection of fluoride above all essentials?
Why the administration of something non essential?
What reason is it added to water knowing there are other, nicer ways it can be distributed?



posted on Dec, 13 2013 @ 12:41 PM
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superman2012

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I'm not saying this is 100% proof. All I have said is that there is no proof that "properly dosed water fluoridation" has killed/harmed anyone. Yes. Look it up before you say it. There is a proper dose. *eyeroll*


Isn't half of your thread is missing?

If your going to argue that its not harmful, than shouldn't you argue the health benefits of ingestion?


Those are two different arguments. My thread was about the lies/untruths spread by the fear worshipers.


The better argument would be to explain the reasons why fluoride is beneficial to ingest.
Here you're just going around in circles with people.

Not beneficial to ingest


Nuff said.

What do you guess it will be? The Boogeyman?


Probably not. The boogeyman is oldschool. How bout fluoride frosted corn flakes?...that reminds me, I heard they put fluoride in salt as well.

Edit: You should explain the benefits of ingestion if there is any..people might take you more seriously.
edit on 11-12-2013 by Tucket because: (no reason given)

We have discussed this many times on this thread, even though this is not what the thread is about.
(underlined in case you missed it before.)
water.
edit on 11-12-2013 by superman2012 because: (no reason given)


Like I said, your thread should've been about the benefits of ingestion...Oh wait, there are none.
This is why you had to come at the topic from an ambiguous angle.

And thanks for blowing my mind. My pineal gland is tingling.


The thread could have been about many things, sadly, it wasn't.

Sorry about that, next time I'll check with you and you can let me know what your preferred topic will be, and rather then you making a thread about it, I will so you don't have to do any work at all.

/sarcasm

Pineal gland tingling!?!? Must be all the fluoride talk!


Edit: I came at this thread to show the scared, fearful little people that the lies they have been fed are just that...lies.
It comes down to choice. Everyone has one, everyone can exercise one. Just don't blame it on the Boogeyman, he's too busy hiding under your bed!

edit on 12-12-2013 by superman2012 because: (no reason given)


Please do consult with me. I can help you deal with things like ambiguity, sarcasm, generalizations, and mockery in your posts. Just dont ask me to help you promote poison.

Oh and I dont worry about the boogeyman anymore. I began giving him fluoridated water; hes quite docile now.

So everyone born since the 40's is docile? Okay. Just checking.



You practice putting words in peoples mouths as well?

I understand what you're conveying in the OP. I can appreciate you trying to expose untruths, but by doing so, you promote the consumption of poison. This I dont agree with.



posted on Dec, 13 2013 @ 12:45 PM
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Now may I ask; What is your reasoning for having a municipality giving drops out for free of this one specific thing? Considering all of what our bodies need, I believe fluoride to be very low on that list. Because you have done your research; Why is this substance being provided and administered to us for free, above all other essentials?

Typically, the reasoning is that people with little to no money will not take proper care of their teeth leading to a myriad of other health problems. People with little to no money ( in the US ) usually don't have healthcare thus their hospital stays/healthcare issues are paid by the government (the people, through taxes).
Poor dental hygiene has been directly linked to heart disease. There is no way to make people brush their teeth, but you can give them fluoride via water. I don't agree with the lack of choice so that is why I mentioned giving free drops out. That's also assuming these people will USE the drops, which I'm not so sure they would.



I'm also trying to understand the method we use, which requires municipalities to go through greater lengths to add it to the water, and then people have to go through great lengths to remove it, instead of just keeping them separate in drop, salt, or tablet form... If, in your research, you have found the answer as to why we mix it with the water supply, I'd like to know. If not, would you care to speculate for me?

I think my first answer shows the why they do it. At least, that is their answer.



posted on Dec, 13 2013 @ 12:46 PM
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I'm not saying this is 100% proof. All I have said is that there is no proof that "properly dosed water fluoridation" has killed/harmed anyone. Yes. Look it up before you say it. There is a proper dose. *eyeroll*


Isn't half of your thread is missing?

If your going to argue that its not harmful, than shouldn't you argue the health benefits of ingestion?


Those are two different arguments. My thread was about the lies/untruths spread by the fear worshipers.


The better argument would be to explain the reasons why fluoride is beneficial to ingest.
Here you're just going around in circles with people.

Not beneficial to ingest


Nuff said.

What do you guess it will be? The Boogeyman?


Probably not. The boogeyman is oldschool. How bout fluoride frosted corn flakes?...that reminds me, I heard they put fluoride in salt as well.

Edit: You should explain the benefits of ingestion if there is any..people might take you more seriously.
edit on 11-12-2013 by Tucket because: (no reason given)

We have discussed this many times on this thread, even though this is not what the thread is about.
(underlined in case you missed it before.)
water.
edit on 11-12-2013 by superman2012 because: (no reason given)


Like I said, your thread should've been about the benefits of ingestion...Oh wait, there are none.
This is why you had to come at the topic from an ambiguous angle.

And thanks for blowing my mind. My pineal gland is tingling.


The thread could have been about many things, sadly, it wasn't.

Sorry about that, next time I'll check with you and you can let me know what your preferred topic will be, and rather then you making a thread about it, I will so you don't have to do any work at all.

/sarcasm

Pineal gland tingling!?!? Must be all the fluoride talk!


Edit: I came at this thread to show the scared, fearful little people that the lies they have been fed are just that...lies.
It comes down to choice. Everyone has one, everyone can exercise one. Just don't blame it on the Boogeyman, he's too busy hiding under your bed!

edit on 12-12-2013 by superman2012 because: (no reason given)


Please do consult with me. I can help you deal with things like ambiguity, sarcasm, generalizations, and mockery in your posts. Just dont ask me to help you promote poison.

Oh and I dont worry about the boogeyman anymore. I began giving him fluoridated water; hes quite docile now.

So everyone born since the 40's is docile? Okay. Just checking.



You practice putting words in peoples mouths as well?

I understand what you're conveying in the OP. I can appreciate you trying to expose untruths, but by doing so, you promote the consumption of poison. This I dont agree with.

I appreciate your understanding.

I'm not promoting a poison dosage of fluoride anymore then I would promote a poison dosage of chlorine.



posted on Dec, 13 2013 @ 01:22 PM
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opopanax

Daedalus
vitamins aren't cheap, and they eat into big pharma's profit margin..

Hardly...many vitamins are quite cheap, and many are actually produced by "Big Pharma." Pfizer, Bayer, Novartis, GSK, etc. all sell (and profit off of) supplements. Some estimates put the US supplement industry's revenue at $30+ billion/year at this point.

Shhh!
They don't want to hear that!



posted on Dec, 13 2013 @ 02:17 PM
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Rychwebo
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I don't believe there are any benefits to ingesting it.




water is a great medium for introducing fluoride to people that otherwise wouldn't have it, but there should be a better way to do it




I absolutely agree. If they gave the drops out for free and told people exactly how to do it. Put a couple of drops in, swish for whatever amount of time, and then spit.



Okay.

Now may I ask; What is your reasoning for having a municipality giving drops out for free of this one specific thing? Considering all of what our bodies need, I believe fluoride to be very low on that list. Because you have done your research; Why is this substance being provided and administered to us for free, above all other essentials?

I'm also trying to understand the method we use, which requires municipalities to go through greater lengths to add it to the water, and then people have to go through great lengths to remove it, instead of just keeping them separate in drop, salt, or tablet form... If, in your research, you have found the answer as to why we mix it with the water supply, I'd like to know. If not, would you care to speculate for me?

Depending on, and whatever your findings/speculation(s) may be, I'd like to further my inquiry with you, if you don't mind, of course.

Again...
Why the selection of fluoride above all essentials?
Why the administration of something non essential?
What reason is it added to water knowing there are other, nicer ways it can be distributed?


Well i think you're asking why they do it? Same reason they add iodine in salt or vitamin b in milk. to promote good health. The cost is low and the effects high. Not all areas add fluoride since if they get there water from ground sources its already there. If you dont want flouride your choice as they say dont drink the water. Or in the UK milk since they add it to their milk. Dont buy toothpaste use baking soda and prepare for higher dental bills .



posted on Dec, 13 2013 @ 02:18 PM
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superman2012

Absolutely. Why read a book that quotes all untruths and only takes a portion of studies (non-human related) to bend to their agenda?


Once again.
The omniscience you possess is astounding.
You didn't read the book and have no firsthand knowledge of it but you insist that you know what is in the book.
Four hundred pages of history and references to back it up but you know EVERYTHING that is in the book.
Let's be honest here.
You don't seem to know much except that you cannot allow facts to creep into your thread lest they ruin your premise.

Strange to think, I actually laughed when people said that there were disinfo agents on this site.
I'm pretty sure I've found one.

I'm going to make this my last post but I've made my point.

You've already proven your agenda.
Enjoy that fluoride now.






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posted on Dec, 13 2013 @ 02:28 PM
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superman2012

opopanax

Daedalus
vitamins aren't cheap, and they eat into big pharma's profit margin..

Hardly...many vitamins are quite cheap, and many are actually produced by "Big Pharma." Pfizer, Bayer, Novartis, GSK, etc. all sell (and profit off of) supplements. Some estimates put the US supplement industry's revenue at $30+ billion/year at this point.

Shhh!
They don't want to hear that!


I thought we were talking about fluoride. That's a profitable industry as well, and "Big Pharma" uses it in their products. Just wanted to list pertinent information.


World demand to rise 3.9% annually through 2016 Global demand for fluorine-containing chemicals is forecast to rise 3.9 percent per year to 3.5 million metric tons in 2016, valued at $19.7 billion.



About 20% of modern pharmaceuticals contain fluorine, including commercially significant drugs in many different pharmaceutical classes.[142] One of these, the cholesterol-reducer atorvastatin (Lipitor), was the number one money-making drug for nearly a decade.[143] The branded asthma medication Seretide, a top-ten revenue drug as of the mid-2000s, contains two active ingredients, one of which is fluorinated: fluticasone.[144]



posted on Dec, 13 2013 @ 02:32 PM
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badgerprints

superman2012

Absolutely. Why read a book that quotes all untruths and only takes a portion of studies (non-human related) to bend to their agenda?


Once again.
The omniscience you possess is astounding.
You didn't read the book and have no firsthand knowledge of it but you insist that you know what is in the book.
Four hundred pages of history and references to back it up but you know EVERYTHING that is in the book.
Let's be honest here.
You don't seem to know much except that you cannot allow facts to creep into your thread lest they ruin your premise.

Strange to think, I actually laughed when people said that there were disinfo agents on this site.
I'm pretty sure I've found one.

I'm going to make this my last post but I've made my point.

You've already proven your agenda.
Enjoy that fluoride now.






edit on 13-12-2013 by badgerprints because: (no reason given)

Care to sum up anything from that book? A case study? A research paper? Anything besides pointing me to a book that I have no intention of reading? I watched a 2 hour YT video at the request of another poster on here claiming that an answer to my question would be found on there. Needless to say, nothing was on there but fear. Comparisons to asbestos, etc, etc.

Either put up, or...well you know.

Refute what I have stated in the beginning with sources. Not a book that you found interesting. It's pretty simple really.

PS- Facts creep into my thread? I have provided lots.

You.

Have mentioned a book.

...and I have an agenda?



posted on Dec, 13 2013 @ 02:34 PM
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We are talking about fluoride. I was making jest about more fear creeping onto this thread.

I answered your previous post here.



posted on Dec, 13 2013 @ 02:50 PM
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Well i think you're asking why they do it? Same reason they add iodine in salt or vitamin b in milk. to promote good health. The cost is low and the effects high. Not all areas add fluoride since if they get there water from ground sources its already there. If you dont want flouride your choice as they say dont drink the water. Or in the UK milk since they add it to their milk. Dont buy toothpaste use baking soda and prepare for higher dental bills .


They do add vitamin b to milk, and iodine to salt, but not the water. That's not administering, because not everyone drinks milk or uses iodized salt. I'm really trying to grasp this line of thinking. Also, I may have missed it, but were there sources showing any unfluoridated water supply causing the high health problems that fluoride is intended to prevent?



posted on Dec, 13 2013 @ 02:54 PM
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Rychwebo
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Well i think you're asking why they do it? Same reason they add iodine in salt or vitamin b in milk. to promote good health. The cost is low and the effects high. Not all areas add fluoride since if they get there water from ground sources its already there. If you dont want flouride your choice as they say dont drink the water. Or in the UK milk since they add it to their milk. Dont buy toothpaste use baking soda and prepare for higher dental bills .


They do add vitamin b to milk, and iodine to salt, but not the water. That's not administering, because not everyone drinks milk or uses iodized salt. I'm really trying to grasp this line of thinking. Also, I may have missed it, but were there sources showing any unfluoridated water supply causing the high health problems that fluoride is intended to prevent?

Are there sources showing properly dosed fluoridated water supply causing high health problems?



posted on Dec, 13 2013 @ 03:04 PM
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So if this is for our "health" and is safe, you'll have no problems giving it to your children as soon as they cut their first tooth.
Correct?

If not, why?



posted on Dec, 13 2013 @ 03:42 PM
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My children (all 3) regularly brush their teeth with fluoridated toothpaste. No worries at all. 2 are in the highest % in their grade, and the 3rd is a teenager.



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