I have taken part in, and have seen, too many threads on ATS that eventually turn into the same thread over and over again with the same
lies/mistruths being spread by the same people only to have them disappear as soon as you show them to be wrong.
I hope that we can get to the bottom of this and open some eyes. No offence intended but I do fully expect people to hold fast to their beliefs as it
is easier to keep the norm than to change.
I was against water fluoridation for many years. It was wrong, they were poisoning us! Why would they do this!? I talked with my friends about this
and none of us could understand why they would do that to us.
I realized that I had done zero research on the subject and had only gone by what people had told me (the internet was not what it was today). No
matter where I looked, I couldn’t find any evidence to support what I had once believed with any hard science behind it. I was shocked.
If the argument is because people should have a say in the masses being medicated,I get that and completely agree
. Vote or run for office.
Demand a vote. There are ways to do this.
This thread is NOT about the lack of choice, it is about the untruths about water fluoridation
Arguments I have heard, and have used, opposing water fluoridation:
1) It is unhealthy to ingest fluoride.
Of course it is, unless you are talking small dosages. Then it is beneficial. Saying it is unhealthy in such a broad sense of the word seems to be
the catch all phrase most used because it is true. Just as it is unhealthy to drink bleach but that is the main way to destroy harmful bacteria in
the water and in the pipes under the ground to make drinking water safe. In the proper dosage, it is beneficial.
2) Fluoride replaces calcium in your bones.
I keep seeing the same thing everywhere;
Excessive fluoride replaces calcium in the bones, causing them to become brittle and weak.
What is “excessive”? In Canada, the MAC (maximum acceptable concentration) is 1.5 mg/l (ppm). In the USA it is 0.7 mg/l (ppm). None of the
claims on the internet actually say in layman’s terms exactly what is excessive. Sure there are studies done on rats and naturally occurring
fluoride in excess of 4 mg/l that humans consume, but that isn’t what we are talking about. I’m not surprised though, fear sells.
3) Fluoride destroys the pineal gland.
Here is the study most often cited.
That was a study done on rats and gerbils at higher doses. They did measure the fluoride levels in 11 adult humans but there was no way to know (or
they just decided not to say) how the fluoride was ingested, at what levels, for how long, etc. Too many undetermined factors to say this was the
result of water fluoridation.
4) The Nazis used it as a way to pacify their captives so it must be horrible.
Charles E Perkins wrote the book, “The Truth about Water Fluoridation". Unfortunately, his “truth” contained zero facts or evidence besides
his say so. In fact, he earlier blamed it on the Russians with no evidence and when asked to back that up, he brought up the Nazi connection with no
evidence. There again we see the scared masses running to it without doing any research on it whatsoever.
Read the full story here.
5) The government uses is to pacify/dumb down their population.
Again attributed to the Nazi “truth” without any evidence along for the ride is the “Harvard Study” that was done on Chinese untreated water
with naturally high concentrations of fluoride. Two myths in one! Look around you. Water has been fluoridated for quite some time in the US. Are
all the baby boomers, and later generations bowing down to the government? Are you?
6) People die from overdosing on fluoride through water fluoridation.
There is not ONE person that has been documented being hurt or dying from properly dosed water fluoridation. Again, something else that the
anti-fluoride camp claims, without being able to pull a name out. Don’t you think the anti-fluoride websites would be singing those people’s
names from the rooftop to garner more interest in their fear campaign?
7) Fluoride is a toxic waste or aluminum or (everything else) waste by-product.
Hexafluorosilicic acid is the most used fluoride in water fluoridation.
This link explains it far better than I can. I think people say it is an aluminum waste byproduct because that sounds scarier than what it is.
If you have a problem with Wikipedia either turn back now, or read the sources at the bottom
of the wiki page.
Neutralization of solutions of hexafluorosilicic acid with alkali metal bases produces the corresponding alkali metal fluorosilicate salts:
(H3O)2SiF6 + 2 NaOH → Na2SiF6 + 4 H2O
The resulting salt Na2SiF6 is mainly used in water fluoridation. Related ammonium and barium salts are produced similarly for other
It's not a waster by-product, it is a by-product which will have to be further purified to get rid of contaminants.
8) It affects a person’s fertility.
Link to study.
When male rats were exposed to 2, 4, and 6 ppm of sodium fluoride in their drinking water, their testicles and prostate gland shrank in size. In
addition, sperm counts plummeted and the sperm that were produced were dysfunctional. The concentration of protein in the testes (needed to
manufacture new sperm) was also significantly suppressed.
Sorry, I will not purchase the full study just to see something that has nothing to do with water fluoridation. This was rats, that were subjected to
ppm that are nowhere near the level found in water fluoridation.
9) Millions of years went by without us adding fluoride to our water, so why now?
Why not now? We are learning more new ways to keep people healthier longer. Why poo poo a way just because you don’t understand it and have bought
and gift wrapped the fear? Are you against penicillin? Polio vaccines?
10) Compared to cities not fluoridating their water, there are higher incidences of people getting sick with water fluoridation related
The Newburgh-Kingston 10 year study is the only one I have found where it is similar towns with one drinking unfluoridated water and the other
drinking fluoridated water. Special thanks to SalientSkivvy for getting into a one sided debate with me whereupon I came across this. From the
Fluoride Action Network (The people against fluoride!!!!).
From here, section 1.2
At the end of ten years, the investigators reported no adverse systemic effects from drinking fluoridated water because no significant differences
were found between the results from the two groups.
That right there should kill any scared chatter about fluoride...sadly, it does not.