How to make money and support your fellow man at the same time.

The financial world is in a mess. Investing in the Stock market is always a risk as well.

So how can you make money , given that you have some to spare?

Why not offer up financial support for cases of individuals that cannot find the financial support they need.

Some of these cases are worth millions and the only reason they don't get off the ground is because the individuals don't have the funding to pursue them.

Yes there is some amount of risk involved , just like the stock market , but in this example you would also be assisting your fellow man to achieve justice.

If your an honest business man or woman you know there is corruption in the legal system , especially when it comes down to the little man against the corporation or the Government.

This would bring in a self regulating system , that if a Government or Corporation was bullying an individual , when that was an unjust thing , just because they have the money to do so. This would create a situation where they would have to think really hard over each case , lest they loose badly in court over an injustice.

This is using the stick they created to beat the little man and turning back against them.

Your Company would become champions of the people , and with that the support of the people ,financial benefits would follow on both sides.

Think about it.

Pinkorchid
The financial world is in a mess. Investing in the Stock market is always a risk as well.

So how can you make money , given that you have some to spare?

I think this is the problem, just there. Most of us are poor. I am, anyway.

We must find something that EVERYONE could do, not just copy-paste the Old System. Copying the Old, pyramidal-based system, where a few rich folks "supports" the people (and can cut this support anytime, meaning bribery is very possible) will open the door to the same corruptions we already see with the old system.

Nice thinking, though. S&F.

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Yes agreed there are too many without enough in todays world.

This is about getting the snake to bite its own tail.

Perhaps co-operatives could be formed for legal aid from the people.


What about the money you spend on insurance that is a legal nightmare to get any money back from after years and years of putting money into them , be redirected into a fund that supports these individuals who need legal aid.

Then if you have a legitimate claim for coverage for a lose , then you can withdraw your own funds , no strings attached.

Pinkorchid
This is about getting the snake to bite its own tail.

Perhaps co-operatives could be formed for legal aid from the people.

Indeed. Don't get me wrong, I am quite confident it could work. In fact I would probably do something similar if I had the dough. But I'm just not sure about it on the long run.

I would guess the best bet would be to make sure monopoly is impossible for anyone to achieve. That way, if some guy decides he'll give support only if you vote for him as the new mayor, you can always look for another guy.

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Yes absolutely we need to learn from our prior mistakes and put in regulations to support the un-biased intent of the program.

Also we don't have to use money , we could use bitcom to finance this prospect , just a thought , not to clear on that one.

There are honest people out there who would support this , lawyers, barristers, accountants , fund managers ect.

who are sick and tired of working in this corrupt system.


Say you have an honest farmer , who for generations has been working on his land and providing food for the nation.

He gets shut down because some seeds from Monsanto have drifted into his land, that has been free of Monsanto seeds for generations.

Pinkorchid
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Yes absolutely we need to learn from our prior mistakes and put in regulations to support the un-biased intent of the program.

Also we don't have to use money , we could use bitcom to finance this prospect , just a thought , not to clear on that one.

Good point. Although I would maybe argue in favor of gold or other physical good.

Whatever currency is used, it mustn't be "debt" money, aka piece of papers which serve as debt acknowledgement but has no real value. It must be money which serves as true exchange (like in the olden days when you would give wheat to your neighbouring dairy farmer to receive milk in exchange).

Say you have an honest farmer , who for generations has been working on his land and providing food for the nation.

He gets shut down because some seeds from Monsanto have drifted into his land, that has been free of Monsanto seeds for generations.

Exactly. But what does a farmer need? He needs land, and he needs resources (water, fertilizer, machines). Maybe instead of money, a guy could support this farm by providing a piece of his land. A contact of the guy could provide the machines. Another guy could provide organic seeds. In exchange, the farmer gives food to the landlord and the company that provides the machine. Goods in exchange of goods, and not goods in exchange of debt acknowledgement.

May I assure you that, if you have a decent case, there will be no trouble finding a lawyer to take it on? An attorney will take a case on a contingency fee basis if there's a good chance for a win, or even a settlement. The attorney takes a percentage of the winnings, which he will agree to if he smells a solid case.

There are plenty of attorneys out there who are looking for work. Unfortunately, we have no shortage of lawyers.

There are even institutes which take on certain kinds of cases for free, if they fall in their area of interest. I'm sure the NRA has some 2nd amendment attorneys, as do most other special interest groups. Also, in the states I know about, lawyers are required to put in a certain number of hours pro bono, for the good of the community, which are also not charged.

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So why are so many people not being served in that case , are the regulations too exclusive to get funding?

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Good idea , the system as it is only serves those with money to get justice or injustice as the case may be.

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Pink Orchid..... you should look up what the Orchid was named after due to its unique shape of the roots it bears.

there's a few websites out there that allow people to create an account and present their idea or item they wish to sell or get on the market, or just need help, and have investors/donaters who are interested, donate money to the cause. an investor or donater can be anybody, from your best friend to a complete stranger.

one such place is kickstarter.com (mostly game related)
another is gofundme.com (all kinds of things, including somebody needs money to fix their only car and don't have a job)

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Off topic , but I will except it , the flower of life one could say.

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Thankyou for that information , could be useful to some.

Pinkorchid
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Thankyou for that information , could be useful to some.

no problem. gofundme.com has helped alot of people who were in dire straits. whereas kickstarter.com is more for entrepeneurs, inventors, game makers, that kinda thing

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Dear Pinkorchid,

One problem is that things which are so very clearly wrong to us, aren't so clear to the courts, and it's the courts that have to persuaded.

Take, as an example, your case of Monsanto drifting seeds. I don't know of any cases (but there might be a couple) where Monsanto won a case like that. If there haven't been, I can see where a lawyer would be reluctant to take such a case on, the chances of winning are small.

There was a case out west where a group of organic farmers sued Monsanto to get a promise that they would never sue the farmers if seed drifted on to their land. It didn't work.

Instead, the judge found that plaintiffs' allegations were "unsubstantiated ... given that not one single plaintiff claims to have been so threatened." The ruling also found that the plaintiffs had "overstate[d] the magnitude of [Monsanto's] patent enforcement." Monsanto brings an average of 13 patent-enforcement lawsuits per year, which, the judge said, "is hardly significant when compared to the number of farms in the United States, approximately two million."

The company, meanwhile, asserts that it doesn't exercise its patent rights when trace amounts of its patented traits inadvertently end up in farmers' fields.

www.npr.org...

Lawyering is expensive, whether it's the NRA, Lambda Legal Defense Fund, or anyone else. They can't take a boatload of cases they don't think they're going to win, even if it's pro bono. Sorry.

With respect,
Charles1952

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In essence as I see it , what you are saying is that lawyers won't take up these cases because they have found it to be unprofitable and not supported by the court system.

Well that pretty much outlines what is wrong with the system , in saying that there is no reason why that system can't be changed.

Only in being willing to change an unjust system will it change , it certainly won't change if we throw our hands up and admit defeat.

The one thing I have learned about corruption in legal matters ( that's from observation only) is that the corporations never give up , if they want a law changed or the courts to follow their lead , they persist until it is so.

We need to be that persistent.


After all are we being treated like assets of a corporation , so why don't we begin to act like one and amass our assets to create a hostile takeover of the court system.

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Dear Pinkorchid,

I think, for the most part, you're right. Oh, there are additional routes to follow, for instance, students in their last year of law school often team up with a practicing attorney to take on interesting cases. And, as I mentioned, there are ways to get serious legal power on your side if you can interest some legal defense fund in it.

But otherwise, it's very tough. I forgot to mention that anyone can start or defend a suit by themselves, and by showing that they're poor can often get a court to forget about the legal fees. (You can look up pro se and in forma pauperis if you're really curious.)

If you want heart surgery, you usually have to go to a high priced doctor. If you want an involved, complicated law suit, you pretty much have to go to a high priced specialist.

With respect,
Charles1952

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"After all are we being treated like assets of a corporation , so why don't we begin to act like one and amass our assets to create a hostile takeover of the court system."

That's kind of happening...wakeup-world.com...

People should start educating themselves with regards to the many deceptions that they have accepted as being "truth" ...such as needing a lawyer to assert your right or, you will get 'justice" in a court...

One of the biggest problems, IMO, is the disparity of wealth between those that have and those that don't.
Those extremes need to be addressed and a major redistribution of the wealth and elimination of the manufactured scarcity and obscilesence has to occur to get back to a balance...we the people are only as strong as our weekest link.

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Thanks for your information , I know what you say is true , but I would like to see it changed and I believe we can do that, its just a matter or working out a just and ethical system.

Among the other sites listed, I also wanted to add www.kiva.org... Its a little different than some of the others, but it shows a bit of the variety of where things are headed.

It seems that some are realizing opportunity in this type of arena.

Overall, I think working locally allows for benefits to be seen more quickly, and in turn generate more flow of resources. But, it is still a worldwide problem.

One of the issues is that we have middlemen standing between a direct transfer of funds/resources from one individual to another. Some of the "new" middlemen, like the sites listed, have significantly less overhead than an entire organization that does the same. This can equate to a more direct transfer with less resources expended in the process.

Individuals in this world give significant sums of money to help others in need. However, the organizations that distribute this are not only inefficient in many ways, but also prone to corruption.

I think a great solution for a lot of areas of the world would be to provide the tools necessary to educate themselves, and start building their own community. Things like consistent access to the internet can actually be very cost effective, while providing a direct means of knowledge transfer. As educational systems start to have more of an online presence, it can even provide educational needs for someone in New York the exact same as someone in Darfur. Thats a double edge sword depending on intent (indoctrination or education), but that stands for every technology or process that can enable and help people to become independent and self-sufficient.

By empowering individuals, you also strengthen the fabric of a society. And by directly giving to those in need, without overhead operating costs, the more effective our given money will be. To make it even more effective, you can also focus on giving resources that can be used to sustain self-sufficiency and the knowledge to use it.