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Did Obama Close A Lead Plant In Order To Enact ‘Backdoor’ Gun Control?

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posted on Dec, 4 2013 @ 12:20 PM
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The Doe Run Company’s primary lead smelting facility in Herculaneum, Mo., which has been in operation since 1892, will close its doors by the end of 2013, according to a report in The Southern Illinoisan, which was published in November but has gained new life recently.

Fact Check: Did Obama Close a Lead Plant in Order to Enact Backdoor Gun Control?
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The company said in a statement on its website that it decided to close the facility it would cost too much to install the “pollution control technologies” required to reduce sulfur dioxide and lead emissions as mandated by the Clean Air Act.

DID OBAMA CLOSE A LEAD PLANT IN ORDER TO ENACT ‘BACKDOOR’ GUN CONTROL?

I did a quick search and was unable to find anything about this on ATS, if this is old news please disregard.

So another bit of controversy surrounding our gun....oops, I mean lack of gun rights. This article goes on to say


Another shot at the gun industry from the Obama administration, right?

Well, not really. It’s important to note that the Doe Run Company has been battling the EPA since at least 2003 and that the particular regulation cited by the company as the reason for the closure is from 2008 — before Barack Obama was even inaugurated.


But as we all know the idea of gun control is nothing new to Americans and has been bouncing from administration to administration since long before the war in Iraq. It sounds to me like more of TPTB casting Obama in a favorable light as usual. It hadn't occurred to me until I read this article that this would be a very effective way to not necessarily enforce gun control, but more-so let the peons keep their guns fostering a false sense of security while taking away the stuff that makes our guns go pew pew pew.

According to countless reports we also know that DHS/NSA/etc. have billions upon billions of rounds stock piled around the country, therefore the need to continue production would no longer be a concern.

What does everyone think about this?

~ NWD
edit on 4-12-2013 by intrepid because: Fixed all caps title.




posted on Dec, 4 2013 @ 12:29 PM
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Yea, this is old news here. But the search function at ATS is not to good.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

But I hate to break it to you, it was under the Bush administration that the EPA enacted this back in 2008. As much as I dislike this administration, we can't in all honesty pin this one on it.

It just another political talking point that can be easily debunked with a smidgen of research.
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posted on Dec, 4 2013 @ 12:32 PM
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I don't think gun control is what hes after here,,although he wouldn't mind it,,,,I think its more about eliminating the competition,,so someone else can have a monopoly,,,& the government picking winners & losers.....

but the results are the same ,,the "monopoly" can "control" the market



posted on Dec, 4 2013 @ 12:35 PM
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I think people who care about their 2nd amendment and constitutional rights as a whole.

Better start looking into self loading and casting of ammunition.

A set up to do so on your own would be moderately expensive, but if ever needed would make up its value 100x.



posted on Dec, 4 2013 @ 12:35 PM
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F-ing mouse likes to dbbl click all of a sudden...

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posted on Dec, 4 2013 @ 12:39 PM
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You have a good idea and places like Midway USA or Cabellas can help with the equipment for melting down and casting lead.

The biggie I'd say if people are worried by stories like this? Please just do the research on how to do this safely. I think paranoia over lead exposure is almost sick for the extremes it's gone to. The EPA has a few too many people WITH lead poisoning, in my opinion. Having noted that...... Melting it down is no joke for danger and it's a deadly serious thing.

No..it won't explode and I don't mean that kind of danger...but the fumes do more than just stink to high heaven. You'll start out talking like a champ ..and asfters a fews a yearz yuse be talkan mure lak dis.



posted on Dec, 4 2013 @ 12:43 PM
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Wrabbit2000
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You have a good idea and places like Midway USA or Cabellas can help with the equipment for melting down and casting lead.

The biggie I'd say if people are worried by stories like this? Please just do the research on how to do this safely. I think paranoia over lead exposure is almost sick for the extremes it's gone to. The EPA has a few too many people WITH lead poisoning, in my opinion. Having noted that...... Melting it down is no joke for danger and it's a deadly serious thing.

No..it won't explode and I don't mean that kind of danger...but the fumes do more than just stink to high heaven. You'll start out talking like a champ ..and asfters a fews a yearz yuse be talkan mure lak dis.


lol, I forgot to preface that with a Lead safety warning.

Yep, led will make you retarded and has a host of safety issues with its handling.

So yea, please only Self cast and load bullets if you have at least some technical competency.

Also that being said, other soft metals can be used to cast bullets, just keep in mind their performance may very greatly as well as wear and tear on the gun could be rough as well.

But in a pinch...



posted on Dec, 4 2013 @ 12:46 PM
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www.abcbirds.org...



Lead is a deadly toxin that continues to be a mortality threat to birds. Despite a 1991 federal ban on lead shot for waterfowl hunting, lead poisoning remains a problem for birds through the hundreds of tons of lead deposited in the environment annually by upland game bird hunting; deer, elk, bear and other mammal hunting; and fishing. With several good alternatives to lead available on the market, it is simply not necessary to continue using lead.


The ban on lead bullets has been in the works for years. I remember seeing documentaries years ago about various water birds eating the lead shot



posted on Dec, 4 2013 @ 12:51 PM
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In 2010, Doe Run reached a comprehensive settlement with the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency and the state of Missouri. As part of that settlement, the Company agreed to discontinue its smelting operations in Herculaneum by the end of 2013. Over the operating life of the smelter, the Company spent millions of dollars in environmental and other upgrades. Continuing to upgrade the aging smelter to attempt to meet the increasingly stringent environmental regulations imposed on primary lead smelters was not economically feasible given the many other requirements of our business.* We shared this news in 2010 in a press release available on our website.

www.doerun.com...

I live near St. Louis and I remember the stories on the news about the ecological impacts of the Doe Run smelter several years ago.

BTW Lead is used for a heck of a lot more than just bullets.


More than 80 percent of all lead produced in the U.S. is used in either motive batteries to start vehicles, or in stationary batteries for backup power (particular in military, telecom and medical applications). In the U.S., the recycle rate of these batteries is approximately 98 percent, making lead-based batteries the most highly recycled consumer product. These batteries are recycled at secondary lead smelters.

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I agree with your last thoughts---this is just another pathetic attempt to cast Obama in a negative light.
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posted on Dec, 4 2013 @ 12:52 PM
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Herculaneum has been polluted for decades by Doe Run, there have been countless medical horrors because of the lead exposure there. There has been countless lawsuits throughout the years. The company has decided to close this plant, not Obama.

Funny how you all are making Obama out to be the bad guy here, when the company has physically, mentally, and environmentally damaged the ecosystem, and peoples lives for profit.
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posted on Dec, 4 2013 @ 01:19 PM
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Gawd I'm so SICK of seeing this thread pop up. Listen people:


THEY DIDN'T PRODUCE 1 GRAM OF LEAD FOR BULLETS AT THIS FACILITY!!!


That's right, they produced the lead for CAR BATTERIES!!!

ZOMG Not the backdoor-car-battery-control agenda!!!


Please research your stories a little more, and I'm not just talking to the fear-mongering OP, I'm also referring to the ones like me who read these threads daily.

www.doerun.com...
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posted on Dec, 4 2013 @ 01:38 PM
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From what I can find on the internet this closing of the plant has been going on for long before our idiot president was put into office. I know that some kind of pollution system was to be put into it and it never happened for the shear cost of this pollution reduction system. For some conspirators on here I am sure they will find a way to blame Obama and that it was set in place while Bush was around, but I think honestly what it comes down to is that it literally cost too much money to implement this device or whatever it is to purify their air wastes. I know that the engines we are putting in the machines now where I work have gone to the Tier 4i engines and the cost of the engines have gone from 25,000 to 40,000 because of the low emissions the EPA demanded from us. So our product price jumped drastically and we lost some customers. But we are still here. If the EPA is in cahoots with a grand scheme to take guns from americans that I guess its worse than I thought.



posted on Dec, 4 2013 @ 01:53 PM
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I don't understand why everyone is replying with the assumption that I agree that Obama is behind any of this, I noted in the original post that this has moved from administration to administration and can be dated to the pre-Iraq war era. The title of the article suggests that Obama is the man to blame, but that's not the point I was trying to make at all.

Sorry if I wasn't clear on this and apologies on creating a new thread for old news.



posted on Dec, 4 2013 @ 02:02 PM
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Because you repeated it and therefore it is YOUR RESPONSIBILITY.



posted on Dec, 4 2013 @ 02:04 PM
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I would hardly call this fear mongering, do you even read anything past the the headlines or just throw in your two cents which is really 1/10 of a cent when it comes to contributing any content with a trace of value? We get it, you're one of those guys who sits around all day reading conspiracy sites and probably have the ATS home page blaring against your wall on a 20 foot projection screen. Please continue, we need less news-sources and more arrogant opinion from the troll whose tinfoil hat is on too tight.



posted on Dec, 4 2013 @ 04:38 PM
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Weren't lead bullets banned a long time ago?



posted on Dec, 4 2013 @ 07:05 PM
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Definitely not banned. Lead bullets are used by target shooters and reloaders all over. They are the base or core of most bullets on the market and alternatives..while they do exist, aren't considered cheaper to say the least. They also have other problems. One obvious alternative is steel and some do have steel core. They have another name though..Steel penetrator and for military issue, they have a nice green tip. I have a few boxes in my closet. They're legal here. If lead bullets get outlawed, they need only push what is already a HALF way decent point to begin with....Steel penetrates a little too well in some cases. Enough to legally define as armor piercing, I'll bet.

Won't that be a mess. No lead to go back to. No steel to use after it's almost, rightfully banned...and frangible ammo is both expensive and somewhat specialty for purpose. Much of the rest is also specialty defense like Glaser slugs or whatever....so lead is the basic stuff. Lead and Copper, normally.



posted on Dec, 4 2013 @ 07:30 PM
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The real problem is most of America doesn't have a clue or has never heard about things like the small arms trade treaty that was signed this year in the UN, which is a huge attack on gun rights. It will lead to forced national registration of existing guns and severe harassment of gun owners. They don't know about fast and furious and the Obama direct connect to illegal guns into Mexico. They call it one of the made-up scandals that aren't real. The press called Reagan the Teflon president because the press couldn't stick it to him. This president is doing everything wrong and illegal and they won't cover it. It amazes me that the media is so in bed with the folks that will destroy their rights as soon as the Socialist agenda gets enough power; they'll be saying what happened here?



posted on Dec, 5 2013 @ 05:56 PM
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Yea there are trying to get rid of Mercury also, the poison they put it your mouth.

I can get tons of lead if I need it and make my own reloads. Lead is nothing to acquire for free.

But they need tons and tons of this lead for shielding on the Nuclear mishaps they have been having, that's some bad stuff.

Look they are build a dome over Chernobyl (spell check) right now, it's so big you could put the Statue of Liberty inside of it.

Maybe they don't want all that lead to get to far away, and what is this going to do to lead prices?

Japan needs so much lead and the morons can't contain the Radioactive water going back into the Ocean.
With the plume of Radioactive material coming out of there, they are f going to kill the Pacific Ocean.

They have to quit wasting time and get containment and build new cooling tower to recycle the water rather that dump it in our Oceans.



posted on Dec, 8 2013 @ 09:19 AM
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I'm enjoying the crazy sh*t posted in the original article's comments section. Before the Internet I had no idea just how paranoid so many people actually are. Man, I cannot imagine what it must be like to be so afraid of so much that (in truth) doesn't even notice that you exist. These folks must have a knot in their stomachs all the time. It must be hell to be so terrified of what you'll never be able to rid yourself of. I guess that stocking ammo and guns is all that's left to someone like that.
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