81% Favor Repealing or Changing Health Care Law

reply to post by BubbaJoe


We will when the time comes. There is no other option. We can't afford anything else.

NorEaster

beezzer

NorEaster


Also, the law is a law. Period. And no one is rewriting anything. Where do you get your news? Here?

So we shouldn't do the amnesty thing, because the law is the law, right? We should kick those suckers out and start obeying the law because the law is the law, and illegal aliens have broken the law, right?

I have no idea what you're trying to suggest. This thread is about the ACA (and some bits about what the founding fathers really wanted for their new nation). Either you just had a stroke or you're trying to muddy the waters here. Either way, I'm not interested in discussing whatever it is you're trying to initiate.

It's pretty obvious what he was trying to suggest. He's pointing out that you are a giant hypocrite. He did a fantastic job too.

People know only what they are told by the media after the fact. When this thing passed I did what very few would do - I read the damn thing. It took be 2 weeks to digest it.

I will say what I said after I understood it - It has money written all over it. Insurance companies will make tons of money and the pharmaceutical companies are free to roam.

And if your denied treatment the insurance company is off the hook because - yes Virginia, government will make that decision. Yes it is true, there really is a death panel. Money is more important than your life.

You will wait for medical care because the bill forces everyone into the system but does nothing to ensure there will be enough doctors. If fact the doctor is out and the practitioner is in.

Hospitals will also make more money since the lack of doctors means more emergency room visits for issues the the practitioners can't handle. So you can expect more outrageous bills from the hospitals. There is nothing in the bill to curb hospital costs so if the insurance fall short you are still on the hook.

Stand by - there is more fallout to come! If you don't believe me then read the damn bill!!!!!!

And Obama's response to this? "We're not repealing it as long as I'm president," Obama said. So regardless of what the will of the people want the law will stand. Gotcha. Wonder if Biden would repeal it...

NorEaster

ketsuko
reply to post by NorEaster

 

How can you call it a law when the President whose job is to faithfully uphold and enforce the laws rewrites the thing on whim to suit his purpose on a nearly weekly to daily basis?

Also, it isn't just the website. What most people understand is that their insurance that they were repeatedly promised they could keep, over and over, has been cancelled. Most people can comprehend that they were lied to and most people don't like that, and it makes them very suspicious about what else they were told.

The government can't force any insurance company to continue a specific policy just because someone wants that policy. That would be a government takeover of the health insurance industry. Didn't you know that these cancelled policies were actually company discontinued policies? I guess you didn't.

Also, the law is a law. Period. And no one is rewriting anything. Where do you get your news? Here?

edit on 12/3/2013 by NorEaster because: (no reason given)

Good! Time to repeal this train wreck right now before anymore damage is done! Hope people are finally waking up to what the "progressive" liberals are really all about!

teamcommander
reply to post by ketsuko

 

You do know this program will really be managed by the same insurance companies who wrote it. Don't you?

Sounds like a proper Fascist Technocracy.

"Calling Dr. Mussolini. Dr Mussolini line one please. Dr. Mussolini you have healthcare on line one."
Distraught and angry at the break in his attention, Mussolini reaches for the phone. "FINE!" he says as he lifts up the handset and greets, "this is Mussolini, what is the issue?"

The voice on the other line asks "Sir, people want better healthcare, what do we do?"

Mussolini responds, "Do you not understand my philosophy yet? Get five of the most powerful people in the health industry in the same room. Ask them the best way to run healthcare. Tell them to write down exactly how everything should work, then give that to congress and tell congress they must pass it or I will tell the people that their congress wants to kill their women and children; if congress passes it good, if they put up too much fuss I will lead the people in a revolt against congress and we will have dead congressmen in the waterways of Rome. Once congress passes it, and they will, I will sign it and grant those five powerful people who designed it Czar-ships and they will make all the regulations they recommended mandatory for the entire populace with the full backing of the government. If anyone in the health industry runs any differently than what those Czars mandate, those violators will have their business permits revoked and those running it will be imprisoned."

The caller responded, "Yes, Dr. Mussolini we will do that."

But as the caller was hanging up the phone he heard one last thing from the fascist:

"Oh and be sure to call it Mussocare! The people will surely love me for this great gift I mandate on them!"

Obamacare isn't the epitome of socialism, it is the very example, quintessentially identical in every way, to that of Italian Fascism. There is no other way to describe it.

reply to post by GenerationGap


Docters can't "opt out" - Citizens that pay taxes can't "opt out" without having a "fine" taken out, or put into their tax burden -

The only people that are completely "opt out" are the federal congressman and president that wrote this crap law.

Who are their docters that can obviously "opt out" of the reduced pay they will see?

Is there a docter, that I, as a lowly middle income tax payer, see for health services?

I bet there will be on the black market, if they don't repeal this communist plot to overthrow the USA.

reply to post by xuenchen


How do we repeal an ego? I get to go on the Obummer care plan next year, I work for a larger corp. There are going to be a lot of larger corps doing this, because it will be cheaper for them to pay the fine.

beezzer

NorEaster

beezzer
reply to post by NorEaster

 

Oh.

Dang.

You mean I lost the freedom to self-determine?

Crap.

Well, at least some folks like yourself are cheering for that loss.

You should be proud and stand up and say that you are against freedoms! Really! That takes guts!

Goody for you! (one internet cookie)

Again, I have no idea what your saying here (even after hitting the link to try and figure out what you believe you're responding to)

So this is what it's like posting in the political threads? It's pretty much an exercise in futile disorientation. Just bits and pieces of discordant phraseology.

The political threads are pretty darned feisty!

You are actually responsible for whatever you say, be that dross or tiny little jewels for people to look at.

It also is a great forum to point out hypocrisy.

So, are you for amnesty, even though "the law is the law"?

I'm not for amnesty. I am for taking a good look at what the law is and how it can be changed to serve the situation itself better. People who sneak into this country shouldn't be rewarded for doing so. That doesn't mean that I believe that I have the correct answer to what is clearly a complicated problem.

That said, the law is the law. Not that I'm comfortable with some folks' beliefs in how the law should be enforced in each specific situation. We don't just scrap laws that are unpopular or difficult to enforce. We're a better society than that. We fix the aspects of our laws that prove - over time - to be deleterious to the smooth and peaceful running of our overall society. Or, at least, this is what our system of justice is designed to do.

Giving people a responsible, predictable, and affordable healthcare system, that doesn't discriminate on the basis of how effective a person is at getting other folks to give them money is one of those fixes that our society's system of laws and policies was designed to achieve. Especially when the rest of this society's laws, policies, and cultural predilections have evolved to strip away any barriers against the overt economic predation of one citizen upon another, or even upon the whole of society itself.

The vast majority of American citizens will die of disease. Less than 1% will die as a direct result of armed conflict or a criminal event. And yet no none has any problem with spending trillions on providing free, universal national defense and crime prevention/protection for all citizens. Disease is the #1 killer of Americans, by far. And access to quality healthcare - even basic quality healthcare - has been separated our from the rights and privileges of the American citizen (unlike military and police protection) due to the fact that a tiny % of our society has chosen to make money off access to basic quality healthcare.

The ACA doesn't go anywhere near fixing this bizarre situation to the degree that it should be fixed, but that's because our society has been so programmed against doing anything at all about it. At least it addresses the most odious aspects of our disgusting healthcare industry; the bait and switch tactics that both refuse treatment AND steal thousand$ per year from people in insurance premiums. I guess that sh*t was just one step too far across the line.

I get VA medical, so I don't even have a dog in this fight. My daughter gets VA medical as well. As far as I'm concerned, you guys can screw yourselves over in any manner you see fit. You're certainly free to do whatever you want to yourselves and your families. I just don't like it when people who want to wreck their own chances for an even break feel the need to wreck everyone's chance at an even break. Hell, let them have what they want and you go ahead and do what you want. There's actually nothing coming out of your *ss that wouldn't be yanked out of it to pay for some other government something-or-other. Better this than paying for another unnecessary invasion. Cheaper too.

Krazysh0t
. It would have been nice, instead, if they'd have actually read up on the bill and what it would do instead of just blindly believing what the administration was telling them.

My Friend.... think back to when the health care act was still just a Bill in congress

the head honchos of the Democrats & the Obama-regime told all the People's Representatives to NOT read the Bill...but to pass the Bill into Law and then you can read it.


the obedient MSM did not make any attempt to analyse points within the health-reform Bill
or to even try to bring any sunlight into the health-reform issues...

we were led into a false sense of security just as we were at the financial mugging of the taxpayers at the TARP shakedown...i viewed the health-care reform thing as the same type of shakedown ,,,led and abetted by the democrat leaders like Reid & Nancy peelousy among the traitors

reply to post by ShakaDoodle


Most of that 81% want single payer and have all along, the rest just want to see poor people die.

NorEaster

beezzer

NorEaster


Also, the law is a law. Period. And no one is rewriting anything. Where do you get your news? Here?

So we shouldn't do the amnesty thing, because the law is the law, right? We should kick those suckers out and start obeying the law because the law is the law, and illegal aliens have broken the law, right?

I have no idea what you're trying to suggest. This thread is about the ACA (and some bits about what the founding fathers really wanted for their new nation). Either you just had a stroke or you're trying to muddy the waters here. Either way, I'm not interested in discussing whatever it is you're trying to initiate.

Well my friend, beezzer wasn't flagged for an off-topic post, so I guess the moderators thought it was a worthy example to use in the current line of discussion. Seems more to me a convenient way to avoid refuting his comment. Bravo sir! Well played!

Sounds like they only polled 81% of us. Try again with that poll, I'm pretty sure we can make that percentage climb even higher. Folks...The Republic has died.

ketsuko
Those policies that were cancelled were not up to regulatory standards as mandated by HHS under Obamacare. So, the insurance companies cancelled them to be in compliance with the law because, as you say, the law is the law right?

NorEaster
They don't let car companies sell dangerous pieces of sh*t either. Oh well.

But the STATES regulate this, not the federal government. I don't think either the feds or the states should be allowed to tell me what health insurance I'm "supposed" to have, but I'd feel more comfortable allowing the states to regulate it. And you say that these policies that 50 year-old people had were "dangerous pieces of sh*t." How is being either a man or a woman beyond child-bearing years (or without a uterus) NOT having maternity care in their policy "dangerous?"

Most of these policies were cancelled due to this mandate. Does this make sense to you? If I was single, and had my policy cancelled because it didn't include maternity care, I'd be pretty pissed. Why? BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE AN EFFING UTERUS! This is the kind of nonsensical garbage that our government comes up with sir. That's just ONE example of what is wrong with this pile of poop.

NorEaster
Giving people a responsible, predictable, and affordable healthcare system, that doesn't discriminate on the basis of how effective a person is at getting other folks to give them money is one of those fixes that our society's system of laws and policies was designed to achieve. Especially when the rest of this society's laws, policies, and cultural predilections have evolved to strip away any barriers against the overt economic predation of one citizen upon another, or even upon the whole of society itself.

The vast majority of American citizens will die of disease. Less than 1% will die as a direct result of armed conflict or a criminal event. And yet no none has any problem with spending trillions on providing free, universal national defense and crime prevention/protection for all citizens. Disease is the #1 killer of Americans, by far. And access to quality healthcare - even basic quality healthcare - has been separated our from the rights and privileges of the American citizen (unlike military and police protection) due to the fact that a tiny % of our society has chosen to make money off access to basic quality healthcare.

Affordable? How do you figure? Plenty of people are not happy that they have to pay more, mostly because they have to be covered for more stuff, too. I'd better check to see if I have Kraken disease coverage...For consumers whose health premiums...

NorEaster
I get VA medical, so I don't even have a dog in this fight. My daughter gets VA medical as well. As far as I'm concerned, you guys can screw yourselves over in any manner you see fit. You're certainly free to do whatever you want to yourselves and your families. I just don't like it when people who want to wreck their own chances for an even break feel the need to wreck everyone's chance at an even break. Hell, let them have what they want and you go ahead and do what you want. There's actually nothing coming out of your *ss that wouldn't be yanked out of it to pay for some other government something-or-other. Better this than paying for another unnecessary invasion. Cheaper too.

Woah woah woah. Let me stop you right there. You get VA medical, which is for life (pray that doesn't go away with the flick of a pen), and aren't even going to be affected by this debacle? Nice. That gives you quite the perspective, especially when you're not one of the millions that have received a cancellation notice, or like me, nervous for next year when the employer mandate kicks in and I don't know what the heck I'll be paying.

That being said -from one vet to another- thank you for your service, and be thankful of that privilege to get that VA medical! It was a hard fought honor!

Its hard to deny straight facts and statistics.

81% of people understand this..

19% are still carrying Obama's water, covering for him, and *their team*..

reply to post by NorEaster


So, um, just my thoughts here. I was a military contractor working in the Middle East for most of the last 10 years. First thing I was told when getting into a helicopter on the way to Iraq was "Everything around you keeping you alive was built by the lowest bidder."

Keep that in mind when signing up for this train wreck. I wouldn't trust a single thing our Gov. bureaucracy does in regards to me or my family's health - especially when an incompetent fool like Obama is running the show from his golf course. There is NOTHING the Government can't screw up.

InverseLookingGlass
reply to post by Krazysh0t

 

Too bad we didn't just expand Medicare. It already works and has infrastructure. GOP and their PAC's trashed that idea, along with every other legit idea --even their own ideas from previous years. They threw mittens under the bus for it and blamed everyone else when the candidate tanked.

There are no core values, just obstruction, which suits the corporates just fine. Obstruction, misdirection, destruction it's all good for regulatory arbitrage.

This was my stance from the beginning and I know several Libertarians/Republicans were in consensus that this would be a fix for those 40 million that needed insurance whilst determining a fix for our existing system rather than reinventing the proverbial wheel.

ironic this is from a right wing polling place and only 1000 people were polled.