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Are Alien Debunkers trying to Deny Ignorance or Are they trying to Block the Truth?

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posted on Dec, 7 2013 @ 10:25 PM
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I tend to go with the title of this thread....just saying. The suppression of truth is really extreme.




posted on Dec, 7 2013 @ 11:17 PM
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Unity_99
I tend to go with the title of this thread....just saying. The suppression of truth is really extreme.


I am really curious how you know what the truth is if it is being suppressed. Do you work for the government and have inside access to alien autopsy's or something?

Have you seen actual alien craft being loaded onto a flatbed truck, covered with a tarp, and escorted inside a secret military base?

Or are you assuming that since you haven't seen anything legitimate that it has to be a cover-up by the government?



posted on Dec, 7 2013 @ 11:25 PM
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I too wonder what is their agenda? Are they working for someone with an agenda? Are they paid to kill threads?

time to shut this one down folks. I need a little extra cash for Christmas...



posted on Dec, 8 2013 @ 09:40 AM
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AutumnWitch657
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It's an assumption that there are smarter people than you or I? No it's not.



Is that a question or a statement?



or you're saying this quoted bellow is not an assumption and that you know this, so that means you must know me and every other member of ATS




I mean way smarter than anyone we are likely to run into on these boards. Most of us will never even meet people that are as smart as that. Those folks will never cross our paths. More like the same odds as having a royal or celebrity sit down at our dinner tables. They are a rarity we are not likely to experience. Of course the ego maniacs here will refuse to accept that too.


You initially posted




You know what happens when you assume.


So I asked you as reading your posts in this thread they seemed like assumptions and quoted what I thought to be assumption which I have done again.



posted on Dec, 8 2013 @ 09:49 AM
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Alien by my definition refers to any phenomena which is yet to be proven as natural.


Why must you redefine words to fit your perceived view and not just use the words for what they mean?


Your definition matters not of what Alien is, one wonders why UFOlogy is a joke,

Believers having to redefine words like Alien, dimension, frequency, etc is why its a joke.

Forget about investigating with a scientific view point as that is way above some heads, forget about using words for what they mean and create a new languages with preexisting words but give them new meaning



One really wonders why UFOlogy is doomed to stay in fringe and never gain any real credibility in human society.



posted on Dec, 8 2013 @ 01:35 PM
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World English Dictionary
alien (ˈeɪljən, ˈeɪlɪən)

— n
1. a person owing allegiance to a country other than that in which he lives; foreigner
2. any being or thing foreign to the environment in which it now exists
3. (in science fiction) a being from another world, sometimes specifically an extraterrestrial

— adj (and foll by to )
4. unnaturalized; foreign
5. having foreign allegiance: alien territory
6. unfamiliar; strange: an alien quality in a work of art
7. repugnant or opposed (to): war is alien to his philosophy
8. (in science fiction) of or from another world

dictionary.reference.com...

"Beam me up Scotty, there is no intelligent life down here"
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posted on Dec, 8 2013 @ 01:55 PM
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The point of communication is clarity of understanding.

So, AlienView is using the word "alien" in place of what most people would use the words "unknown" or "unseen" for in a forum that equates Alien to Extraterrestrial.

No, that wouldn't be confusing at all, would it?

All I see is a lot of backpedaling.

Intelligent life indeed.



posted on Dec, 8 2013 @ 04:30 PM
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AlienView
World English Dictionary
alien (ˈeɪljən, ˈeɪlɪən)

— n
1. a person owing allegiance to a country other than that in which he lives; foreigner
2. any being or thing foreign to the environment in which it now exists
3. (in science fiction) a being from another world, sometimes specifically an extraterrestrial



We got some of them folk over here working the farms. cheap labor, hard workers them feri'ners. Aint no one in the states wants to work on the farms no more so we hire them illegal Aliens.



posted on Dec, 8 2013 @ 06:05 PM
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ZetaRediculian

AlienView
World English Dictionary
alien (ˈeɪljən, ˈeɪlɪən)

— n
1. a person owing allegiance to a country other than that in which he lives; foreigner
2. any being or thing foreign to the environment in which it now exists
3. (in science fiction) a being from another world, sometimes specifically an extraterrestrial



We got some of them folk over here working the farms. cheap labor, hard workers them feri'ners. Aint no one in the states wants to work on the farms no more so we hire them illegal Aliens.

Wise guy huh? OK wise guy I'll go you one better. Not only do we have illegal aliens that will work cheap but we now have other aliens who will work on the farms for free! Unbeknownst to the general population we have aliens, often invisible popping up in wheat fields and designing intricate and symmetrical crop circles, the meaning of which is still open to speculation. And even when humanoids admit to doing this with planks of wood, and yet still most often unseen and invisible. and violating trespass laws to do it and without any good motivation we are also dealing with a condition or state of mind which must be categorized as alien - only alien minds would waste their time on such an endeavor. [my apologizes to the more intelligent aliens who might be reading this]

And to debunkers everywhere remember this:

When your up to your you know what in aliens, try to remember that your sole purpose was to prove they did not exist.
-AlienView














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posted on Dec, 8 2013 @ 07:32 PM
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AlienView

2. any being or thing foreign to the environment in which it now exists
...
6. unfamiliar; strange: an alien quality in a work of art


not the definitions we are specifically interested in on this subforum.
well, mostly.


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posted on Dec, 8 2013 @ 08:36 PM
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Tearman

AlienView

2. any being or thing foreign to the environment in which it now exists
...
6. unfamiliar; strange: an alien quality in a work of art


not the definitions we are specifically interested in on this subforum.
well, mostly.


edit on 8-12-2013 by Tearman because: (no reason given)


Maybe I'm an alien, I have a hard time communicating with some humans. The point I'm trying to make and my big criticism of so called debunkers is that alien is not specific to an alien species from another world or dimension. Those of us who want to observe and speculate on the accumulated data and evidence often speculate on the possibility of some phenomena, which appears to reflect an unknown intelligence, may be he the result of an alien consciousness not of this world - Admittedly this is speculative, but it is also interesting and still in the realm of possibilities. But I believe all alien [unknown, undefinable and/or strange] phenomena should be considered and all possibilities should be entertained. If the alien debunkers were to focus their attention on what is blatantly untrue and which can be proven to be impossible they would not be such an irritating group and in fact might contribute to the various posts on the alien/UFO phenomena. Unfortunately their agenda seems to be only to point out explanations that must conform to mainstream science and ideology - Anyone with an IQ over 100 can understand there may be a simple non- alien explanation to some events, it is not necessary for alien debunkers to keep reminding us of this.

Have I reached through to you human? - Do you understand the AlienView?



posted on Dec, 8 2013 @ 10:42 PM
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AlienView
Wise guy huh? OK wise guy I'll go you one better.

and nothing is better than this, is it?


And to debunkers everywhere remember this:

When your up to your you know what in aliens, try to remember that your sole purpose was to prove they did not exist.
-AlienView



Wait a second. Don't the paid debunker thread killers that work for the government already know about all the aliens? and isn't their sole purpose to keep everyone from knowing the truth about aliens?

and do you really think that way or are you playing some mind game just to make it look like people who believe in aliens are just confused?

Do you really think that this thread and others like it are that important and need to be stopped by government agents or are you just screwing with peoples heads?












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posted on Dec, 9 2013 @ 02:59 AM
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Do you really think that this thread and others like it are that important and need to be stopped by government agents or are you just screwing with peoples heads?


Government? Personally and in my opinion and after such endeavors as Project Sign and Project Bulebook when the government did take a serious interest, I think they concluded that they don't know what to make of the alien/ufo phenomena and didn't see it as an eminent threat so they called all official investigations off and said nothing is happening, etc., etc.

Screwing with peoples heads? Well at least I'm not abducting anyone and doing any probing - Be thankful for little things. They tell me that one of the side effects of being probed and implanted with a chip is to end up on an internet forum and trying to deny it ever happened by becoming a debunker [hyperbole]



posted on Dec, 9 2013 @ 04:46 AM
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AlienView
Maybe I'm an alien...

You certainly write your blog as if you're one. I'm not saying you're weird, but...



posted on Dec, 9 2013 @ 08:29 AM
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AlienView

Tearman

AlienView

2. any being or thing foreign to the environment in which it now exists
...
6. unfamiliar; strange: an alien quality in a work of art


not the definitions we are specifically interested in on this subforum.
well, mostly.


edit on 8-12-2013 by Tearman because: (no reason given)


Maybe I'm an alien, I have a hard time communicating with some humans. The point I'm trying to make and my big criticism of so called debunkers is that alien is not specific to an alien species from another world or dimension.




Nice try at moving the goalpost, but that's not the point you made in the OP.


AlienView
Why are they trying to deny the reality of alien related phenomena?


Note the use of the word "Alien" as a noun.


AlienView
How can the alien presence be seen if those who would deny even its possibility blind you with rhetoric to the truth of what is occurring and what you are seeing?


The declaration of a "truth" by an anonymous voice on the internet. The truly blind would accept this without question.



posted on Dec, 9 2013 @ 08:40 AM
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AlienView
World English Dictionary
alien (ˈeɪljən, ˈeɪlɪən)

— n
1. a person owing allegiance to a country other than that in which he lives; foreigner
2. any being or thing foreign to the environment in which it now exists
3. (in science fiction) a being from another world, sometimes specifically an extraterrestrial

— adj (and foll by to )
4. unnaturalized; foreign
5. having foreign allegiance: alien territory
6. unfamiliar; strange: an alien quality in a work of art
7. repugnant or opposed (to): war is alien to his philosophy
8. (in science fiction) of or from another world

dictionary.reference.com...

"Beam me up Scotty, there is no intelligent life down here"
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Thanks for that,


How do any of these definitions match yours or not complex things even to a greater scale?

Intelligent? whats your definition for that?



posted on Dec, 9 2013 @ 08:42 AM
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And to debunkers everywhere remember this: When your up to your you know what in aliens, try to remember that your sole purpose was to prove they did not exist. -AlienView


Have you actually identified any or its just all speculation based on opposing ideas and conclusions?



posted on Dec, 9 2013 @ 07:04 PM
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InhaleExhale
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And to debunkers everywhere remember this: When your up to your you know what in aliens, try to remember that your sole purpose was to prove they did not exist. -AlienView


Have you actually identified any or its just all speculation based on opposing ideas and conclusions?


The 4 Most Plausible Alien Encounters
by Jake Hanrahan 7/8/13

Although most of the UFO stories we hear about are glue induced visions of the mentally unstable, there are a number of genuinely plausible accounts with actual evidence that should be taken more seriously...



Here are some of the most plausible alien encounters to date.

Christopher Columbus UFO Sighting

In 1492, as Christopher Columbus sailed across the sea on the Santa Maria in search of America, he witnessed an unidentified flying object zooming around the night’s sky. As he stood on deck, he saw “a light glimmering at a great distance”. He recorded in his captain’s log that it vanished and reappeared throughout the night, flying up, down, east and west “in sudden and passing gleams”. Columbus was around before the idea of UFOs even existed – it’s unlikely he decided to make this up. But could he have just seen a shooting star? Perhaps, but what kind of shooting star moves all around the night’s sky at high speed, vanishes, reappears and then disappears again into the sea?

The Abduction of Betty and Barney Hill

Generally considered the first ever abduction story, Betty and Barney Hill’s encounter was taken so seriously that scientists and investigators interrogated the couple under hypnosis on more than one occasion.

As Betty and Barney drove home to New Hampshire in 1961 from a holiday in Canada, they noticed a UFO in the sky that eventually got so close to them that Barney stopped the car and got out. The UFO began to move erratically around the sky. Barney got scared and ran back to his car and the couple sped off away from the lights which seemed to vanish behind them.

Strangely though, as if they’d been teleported without realising it, Barney noticed they’d travelled around 35 miles from where they were, in just two minutes. A few days later Betty began having bizarre nightmares of tall alien beings performing horrible operations on her and her husband inside the craft. Eventually, at the request of an Airforce Intelligence Officer, the Hills sought out a professional psychiatrist. After six months of repressive hypnosis, Dr Benjamin Simon stated that he believed the Hills most definitely were abducted by aliens.

Betty had by now also drawn up a star map which she claimed the aliens had shown to her. Scientists couldn’t match it to any existing constellations at the time. But sure enough, eight years later and with more powerful telescopes, scientists claimed to have found a constellation that matched Betty’s map. There’s no way she could’ve known about the constellation before hand.

With psychiatrist reports stating they were telling the truth, intense interest from the US Airforce and a star map of a far away constellation drawn from memory, it seems that maybe the Hills actually were beamed up by little green men that night.


"The Battle of Los Angeles

Less than three months after America joined World War II, an aircraft was detected above Los Angeles in February 1942. The military was immediately scrambled, firing hundreds of rounds of ammunition from ground to air anti-aircraft guns. The US feared it was the Japanese invading to drop bombs on the City of Angels.

Bullets fired all night but the air raid turned out to be a case of “war nerves” according to Navy Secretary Frank Knox in a statement to the press the following day. Knox even said it could’ve been a weather balloon that they’d spent all night firing rounds of hot lead into. (The weather balloon would later become an iconic UFO debunking tool following the Roswell incident.) But later that day a second statement from a Californian official said: “The aircraft which caused the blackout in the Los Angeles area for several hours this a.m. have not been identified” proving, along with a photograph of the air raid that shows several static unexplained lights in the sky that the ground artillery were firing at, that there was in fact something unidentified flying around up there."

"The Chicago O’Hare UFO Sighting

November 7th 2006. It’s 4.40 in the morning and the federal authority at Chicago’s O’Hare airport receive word that 12 employees are seeing a metallic disc shaped aircraft hovering over gate C-17. It’s rare for UFO sightings to have even two witnesses, let alone 12. It soon became apparent that even a pilot and his co-pilot had witnessed the UFO, along with several other witnesses on the ground. It apparently shot off through the air at such speed that a hole was left in the clouds above.

Jon Hilkevitch, a writer for the Chicago Tribune later said in an interview on FOX news, that “the disc was visible for approximately two minutes and was seen by close to a dozen United Airlines employees, ranging from pilots to supervisors, who heard chatter on the radio and raced out to view it.”

The footage ends with a man off screen saying “It would’ve landed but uh…” Mysterious.
United Airlines and the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) first claimed to have no knowledge of the O’Hare UFO, but a freedom of information act request showed that a United Airlines manager called the FAA from the tower about the UFO.

There are many twists and turns concerning this encounter. For example, leaked off-air news footage hears the FOX news anchor and Hilkevitch saying things like, “there really is this universal feeling that the government knows more than it’s willing to tell,” and “the FAA’s weather phenomenon explanation just doesn’t wash”. The footage ends with a man off screen saying “It would’ve landed but uh…” Mysterious.

The O’Hare UFO case has so much potential evidence to it that the Ghostbusters actor Dan Aykroyd is investigating it in full detail for an upcoming documentary he’s making.

It’s safe to say that probably 70% of the reported alien encounter cases are either the misidentification of something like a Chinese lantern or simply made up. But if you dig deep enough, with not only a tinfoil hat but also a sceptical one on, you’ll find pieces of UFO gold amongst the dirt."

"IF YOU LIKE IT, PASS IT ON"
sabotagetimes.com...
















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posted on Dec, 9 2013 @ 11:52 PM
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In 1492, as Christopher Columbus sailed across the sea on the Santa Maria in search of America, he witnessed an unidentified flying object zooming around the night’s sky. As he stood on deck, he saw “a light glimmering at a great distance”. He recorded in his captain’s log that it vanished and reappeared throughout the night, flying up, down, east and west “in sudden and passing gleams”. Columbus was around before the idea of UFOs even existed – it’s unlikely he decided to make this up. But could he have just seen a shooting star? Perhaps, but what kind of shooting star moves all around the night’s sky at high speed, vanishes, reappears and then disappears again into the sea?


Let me guess.. You just CC&P'd that from some UFO website, right? This is what actually happened:


Ship’s Log of Admiral Christopher Columbus dated Thursday, October 11, 1492:
“. . . After sunset steered their original course west and sailed twelve miles an hour till two hours after midnight, going ninety miles, which are twenty-two leagues and a half; and as the Pinta was the swiftest sailer, and kept ahead of the Admiral, she discovered land and made the signals which had been ordered. The land was first seen by a sailor called Rodrigo de Triana, although the Admiral at ten o'clock that evening standing on the quarter-deck saw a light, but so small a body that he could not affirm it to be land; calling to Pero Gutierrez, groom of the King's wardrobe, he told him he saw a light, and bid him look that way, which he did and saw it; he did the same to Rodrigo Sanchez of Segovia, whom the King and Queen had sent with the squadron as comptroller, but he was unable to see it from his situation. The Admiral again perceived it once or twice, appearing like the light of a wax candle moving up and down, which some thought an indication of land . . .”


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First off, Columbus and his crew were accomplished navigators using celestial navigation as one way to chart their courses. They were extremely familiar with the stars in nighttime sky. Never once did he, or anyone else, mention this "UFO" being far above the horizon. In fact, they thought it was an indication of land, as mentioned above. Some mentioned possibly the flame of a torch from Indians on an island.

Next, how does a "light of a wax candle moving up and down" turn into: "A UFO zooming through the sky... moving up and down and east to west"? It's done by fanatical believers and UFO websites because it makes for an exciting story. Unfortunately, people like yourself only spread this as fact because they choose to do absolutely no investigation themselves.
I suggest you do your own research and stop naively relying upon sensationalized stories and getting the stories wrong.

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Among your other CC&P'd UFO website crapola.. You mentioned Edgar Mitchell. Have you looked into Mitchell's comments at all to see where they are coming from? If not, by his own admission, he's never been directly involved with anything alien. He has never seen a UFO on any mission, never seen an alien body, parts of a crashed space craft, handled debris, or photographs of such. These are only stories he's been told and his personal belief and opinions. It may be something you grab onto, but in itself, his opinion or belief doesn't further prove alien existence. You honestly should put a little more thought into this.



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posted on Dec, 10 2013 @ 12:19 AM
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As they prove my point, we still ask:

Are Alien Debunkers trying to Deny Ignorance or Are they trying to Block the Truth?

More than ever, while I am not convinced that there is absolute proof of the existence of alien intelligence and our personal beliefs are just that - But I am absolutely convinced, that for whatever reason, and that too is speculative, that certain people, representing both their own viewpoint and also a form of 'group think' they accuse alien believers in are trying to block free thought and dispute any and all evidence indicating even the possibility of alien intelligence. Often it is possible it is their personal agenda - could they also represent other agencies? - like aliens that is open to debate and speculation and just as hard to prove.

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Of course others already have an opinion. On another post currently running here on ATS the OP asked:
Are Paid Disinfo Members In Our Midst?
www.abovetopsecret.com...

And here is just one posters reply:


With the billions the USA spends on military and secret services, having payed agents on a popular conspiracy site like ATS would be an opportunity stupid to pass on, considering how low the investment is and how some people are still oblivious that this is a fact.

Oh and, it's not just here.

Whatever the subject, whatever if it's true or not...
Pretty much every "mainstream" forums have been infiltrated to skew the opinion of the people.

GMO's
Chemtrails
Government policies
Israel/Palestine
Wars
Global Warming
Bank Frauds
Aliens, name it.

If it's bad for the majority and good for the rich minority, don't worry, they got it covered with lies and deceit.
They WILL try to forge a public opinion that is good for THEM.

The investment is minimal and, hell, some people still think they're aren't any payed posters online!
Golden




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