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spartacus699
xavi1000
I'm still on the fence about landings but i'm sure that these guys didn't go on the Moon.
There is a thing called common sense.These guys look like they came back from funeral , not from greatest human achievment in human history.
I tend to agree. When I'm watching my gut instinct is telling me they're lying, and or they're not sure in what they're saying. Because I suspect what happened is even the astronaught might have actually been told they're going to the moon. But what happened was they did some strange thing at the time of the launch. Like they drugged the astronaughts I'm not sure how it would have all played out, but say you're hi, or drunk or whatever. You're now being told "you're on the moon" or you're going to the moon. And then by the time the drugs wear off you're trying to recall what exactly happened? You're an astronaught, you're mission was a moon landing. You recall what looked like moon scape? You recall a lot of bits a pieces. But for some strange reason it's all foggy. Like as if you were drunk. But everyone contradulating you, telling you great job, you made it etc etc. So you just sort of go along with it. You figure that you must have went. What are you gonna say? "No I'm not sure I went????" "no I'm not an american hero who deserves all this fame and money??".... and only because "you're not sure?". Then maybe you tell someone, or you tell a DR or someone that you're not sure what happened? They tell you "oh don't worry that's normal, because you were sucking back all the oxegyn and it messed with your mind". so you figure....ohhhh okay hmmmm he's a dr so he must be right. And again you just go along with it. a year goes by now the memory is faded even more. Decades go by and now you can barely remember much about it. And now 30 years has gone by and now people are coming out and you're reading about how "you might not have gone?" But you can barely remember any of it now because it's been 30 years!!!!
And if you think I'm joking about this... all you have to do is next time you're at the dentist ask for the oral sedation. It's basically the date rape drug. It turns you into a zombie. You barely know what's going on during the time it's happening. Then you tend to forget most of the time frame when you eventually come to. I'm pretty sure that's what they might have given the astronaughts. Ya it could easily be done!
Anyway that's my theory. And they seem so confused in the press conference that they seem like this would be a natural reaction. Like "what just happened. Did we really go the moon?".
darkorange
kurthall
reply to post by Komodo
We went to the Moon, and there are an awful lot of threads on the topic. As far as a Flag, I would say there is a difference between the moon and a space station. I am sure someone will fill you in.
Yeah, you did. The more time passes by the more ridiculous that statement is. Just think about it, 50 years ago USA went to the Moon? 50!!!! Up till now its a task no nation could undertake, not because no need to, there is always need to be there, but because tech challenges are enourmous. 50 years...Think about that.
onebigmonkey
spartacus699
xavi1000
I'm still on the fence about landings but i'm sure that these guys didn't go on the Moon.
There is a thing called common sense.These guys look like they came back from funeral , not from greatest human achievment in human history.
I tend to agree. When I'm watching my gut instinct is telling me they're lying, and or they're not sure in what they're saying. Because I suspect what happened is even the astronaught might have actually been told they're going to the moon. But what happened was they did some strange thing at the time of the launch. Like they drugged the astronaughts I'm not sure how it would have all played out, but say you're hi, or drunk or whatever. You're now being told "you're on the moon" or you're going to the moon. And then by the time the drugs wear off you're trying to recall what exactly happened? You're an astronaught, you're mission was a moon landing. You recall what looked like moon scape? You recall a lot of bits a pieces. But for some strange reason it's all foggy. Like as if you were drunk. But everyone contradulating you, telling you great job, you made it etc etc. So you just sort of go along with it. You figure that you must have went. What are you gonna say? "No I'm not sure I went????" "no I'm not an american hero who deserves all this fame and money??".... and only because "you're not sure?". Then maybe you tell someone, or you tell a DR or someone that you're not sure what happened? They tell you "oh don't worry that's normal, because you were sucking back all the oxegyn and it messed with your mind". so you figure....ohhhh okay hmmmm he's a dr so he must be right. And again you just go along with it. a year goes by now the memory is faded even more. Decades go by and now you can barely remember much about it. And now 30 years has gone by and now people are coming out and you're reading about how "you might not have gone?" But you can barely remember any of it now because it's been 30 years!!!!
And if you think I'm joking about this... all you have to do is next time you're at the dentist ask for the oral sedation. It's basically the date rape drug. It turns you into a zombie. You barely know what's going on during the time it's happening. Then you tend to forget most of the time frame when you eventually come to. I'm pretty sure that's what they might have given the astronaughts. Ya it could easily be done!
Anyway that's my theory. And they seem so confused in the press conference that they seem like this would be a natural reaction. Like "what just happened. Did we really go the moon?".
What they are is uncomfortable in front of an audience. You should see the video of the press conference before they went.
The problem with the argument about the press conference is that they produce, and discuss, photo after photo that could only have been taken on the Apollo 11 mission. Photos showing Earth that match both in terms of what the Earth should look like at the time and date the photos were taken and in terms of the weather patterns visible in them. Photographs of the lunar surface from orbit that could only have been taken from lunar orbit. Photographs of the lunar surface from the lunar surface that show details that were only revealed by the LRO 40 years later. I'm not talking Apollo hardware, I'm talking rocks and craters.
And if people actually bothered to watch the whole press conference, instead of just picking that lame old screenshot of them looking a little bored, they would find examples of them all smiling and telling the occasional joke.
Gut instinct proves nothing.
edit on 7-12-2013 by onebigmonkey because: typos and closing sentence
onebigmonkey
So yes, it's a big deal, because it proves the only thing fake about Apollo are the hoax lies perpetuated by people like Jarrah White.
onebigmonkey
reply to post by spartacus699
More than a big deal. What the satellite images prove is that every photograph, or video image that features Earth taken by Apollo astronauts could only have been taken at a specific time thanks to the weather patterns that feature on them.
Those specific times tie in exactly with the mission transcripts, as do the positions of the terminator on those images. Lots of the images were transmitted live on TV to Earth and then featured on the next day's newspaper front pages - usually before the satellite images were actually available.
So yes, it's a big deal, because it proves the only thing fake about Apollo are the hoax lies perpetuated by people like Jarrah White.
spartacus699
No, a satelite could have taken the photos you dumb azz. Then then just use a bit of photoshop and zoom out arrrhhh. Anyone with even a slight bit of graphic arts from the day could have easily created the photos. And what's with all the photos??? They have so many photos that they realized that they would have to have every astronoaugh taking a photo every second of every moment they were on the moon to get that many photos? And how would the film withstand the heat, cold and radiation? It's impossible.
CaptainBeno
Comments please:
1: The waving flag? Yes it has been covered but no real explanation....so go ahead.
2: No blast area under lander? Not even a little bit. Plus no dirt on feet.
3: Multiple light sources.
4: Reflections of "objects"....ahem, I mean stage lighting.
5: The infamous "C" rock........why indeed?
6: Disappearing crosses.....dear dear me NASA. Plus...many more
7: My favorite......multiple same background shots......what? Did you run out of "space" in the studio?
8: Lets all make one! I've got some tin foil!!
Notice how this photo has almost HD like qualities? Strange? huh considering it was apparently taken on the moon? All other photos seem to be so grainy?
Plus an un-imaginary amount of videos (from nasa) depicting other things that happened on "the moon"
This is just for startersedit on 9-12-2013 by CaptainBeno because: (no reason given)
CaptainBeno
Comments please:
1: The waving flag? Yes it has been covered but no real explanation....so go ahead.
3: Multiple light sources.
5: The infamous "C" rock........why indeed?
6: Disappearing crosses.....
7: My favorite......multiple same background shots......what? Did you run out of "space" in the studio?
8: Notice how this photo has almost HD like qualities? Strange? huh considering it was apparently taken on the moon? All other photos seem to be so grainy?
onebigmonkey
spartacus699
No, a satelite could have taken the photos you dumb azz. Then then just use a bit of photoshop and zoom out arrrhhh. Anyone with even a slight bit of graphic arts from the day could have easily created the photos. And what's with all the photos??? They have so many photos that they realized that they would have to have every astronoaugh taking a photo every second of every moment they were on the moon to get that many photos? And how would the film withstand the heat, cold and radiation? It's impossible.
Ok, first thing: there were no satellites taking colour photos at the time. There were only 2 satellites that had whole Earth coverage at the time, and they only had coverage of specific spots because they were geostationary. The other images were obtained by low Earth orbit satellites that took 24 hours to cover the entire surface and the images had to be stuck together - most od the Apollo photographs were taken before that could happen. I suggest you read a book or two - I have, it makes all the difference
Second thing: Photoshop? Really? I suggest you go back and look at the history of computer graphics and software and see how dumb that statement is. How would that work for live TV? I have lots of original material with those photos in that pre-date digital editing, so I know they weren't photoshopped.
Third thing: los of photos. Yes. If they'd taken none you'd have been bitching as well. Most of the mission photos were taken with an auto-shutter in orbit getting coverage of the surface. There were three people with cameras. I've taken more photos over a weekend at a wedding than in the EVAs for Apollo 11 and 12 combined.
The film would withstand the temperature range and radiation because the cameras were designed for it. The entire Lunar Orbiter series that got the first detailed lunar photographs took pictures on film, developed them in space and transmitted them back to Earth with relatively few problems. If you think it's not technically possible you need to produce some numbers to prove that.
FInally, save the abuse for kindergarten.
spartacus699
what's funny is they new when they faked it it wouldn't have to be prefect because they knew most people are too stupid to know enough to figure it out. And even when they did they'd still be met with the brainwashed masses who would do the defence for them
geobro
spartacus699
what's funny is they new when they faked it it wouldn't have to be prefect because they knew most people are too stupid to know enough to figure it out. And even when they did they'd still be met with the brainwashed masses who would do the defence for them
even at the time people were questioning the landings i remember my grandfather going on about a number being on a rock that he noticed .
and a story on a.t.s. about a australian woman seeing a coke tin /or bottle in one shot but you are right about how stupid the masses are 9-11 proved that to me -see my thread on that one spartacus tptb arrogence is shocking