Wage Strikes Planned at Fast Food Outlets in 100 US Cities on Thursday (12/5/13)

reply to post by Cabin


Even though you and me often disagree, for the most part, I like your posts. They are reasoned plain and simple. And give me a chance to breathe and lower my blood pressure. LOL You are a good debater.

But based upon my experiance (here in the US) every time the minimum wage or COLA goes up for those on disability or pensions of some sort, the price of everything else goes up just a tad bit more than the individual increase.

That's just one of the reasons why the cost of living has stagnated.

I’ve never heard of the Big Mac Index (BMI? Body Mass Indicator…could be a connection there) but I guarantee you that McD’s would lose a crapload of business if they raised the price of Big Macs to $4.70. There would also be a price increase in everything else they sell.

But as I’ve said before, I won’t shed a tear if McD’s goes out of business. We might just have a healthier world because of it. Though a lot more unemployed.

What the hell...ys gottsta take your lumps.

palmalBlue2
reply to post by TDawgRex

 

ya had to go there, didn't ya [they don't have good emoticons anymore]

[replying about the traveling uh..protesters]

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Here ya go.

And many more were they came from. (Another member made them, not me)

Butin regards to my post, is it not the truth?

Cabin
reply to post by beezzer

 

Nobody is asking for extreme wealth distribution, simply livable wages for employees. The employers would still make millions every year, even if the employees were paid more.

So just small wealth redistribution, not extreme wealth redistribution.

Success will still be rewarded well, but honestly, not via legal exploitation of the employees. Prices would rise, although not significantly.

So even I will have to pay more. No thanks.

Norway has some of the highest taxes in the world. At the end a couple of richest people pay more indivual taxes than is needed for all the (high) child benefits to be covered. After taxes and after paying their employees highly, they still are able to earn 10s of millions every year.

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Good on Norway. I'm not Norwegian, though.

every time something good comes along, jo blow takes what u got, so u left with nothing in ur life to help yourself or others. Just say in. Get rid of the leaches and usa will recover, but no, the leach must draw blood to survive. Pathetic this life is messed up when a legit buisness has to go out of buisness to let big buisness scammers to continue sucking us dry. Get rid of all the leaches, those like temp. services who take your money because they supposedly helped u find a job. Then suck out 4 dollars an hour out of your pay that u could of used to feed your children. leaches all the leaches, get rid of them 2nd and 3rd party blood suckers. Then america will thrive.

reply to post by beezzer


We want a change in the current wealth redistribution, right now it goes from the working poor to the wealthy, its time the wealthy shared more.

cloaked4u

cloaked4u
reply to post by TDawgRex

 

youtu.be... here u go. check out what people are saying about this.

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buisness these days means, work u to the bone because of all the laws passed to suck u dry of all ur money so that ALL the 3rd party leaches can sit back and collect. Like unions,and all those cheaters stealers peoples like mad off PIGS, peoples in greed, scams.

You do realize that most small business owners scrap to make ends meet? I used to work for a small business, at the time, maybe 90 employees (even though they are internationally recognized in the food industry) and they used to do well by their employees.

Nowadays, not so much, regulations have stifled their growth. They no longer give out bonuses and the insurance is killing them. They're still growing, but it's at a snails pace compared to a decade ago. And they're putting up a good fight...for which they have my respect.

reply to post by TDawgRex


Most definately!

Trying to keep my personal feelings in check and trying to understand things/ logic from the other side of this[the supportive] and not blow a gasket.
Macman, you, Libertygal I agree with everything you all have mentioned

but the leaches would preferre this to happen so that they could suck them dry next. youtu.be...

LDragonFire
reply to post by beezzer

 

We want a change in the current wealth redistribution,

I know.

right now it goes from the working poor to the wealthy, its time the wealthy shared more.

Who's wealthy?

Me? Do I have to cough up more? Why? Because I made more? #### that!

reply to post by TDawgRex


Thanks

Big Mac index is just one of the easy ways how the costs in different countries can be compared price-wise.Nothing very serious, marketing in a way, but gives somewhat of a picture, as in near to every country McDonalds exists. Analogous to Walmart´s sales are used to take a look at the economic situation in US.

I have not much experience with US historical changes, as I have not paid attention to economy and different aspects there for much and not spent enough time there to see any clear changes to prices - every time I visit, the prices seem extremely cheap, especially considering the wages.

I have experience with different European countries though, where minimum wage laws work very well, while considering the prices are affordable compared to local salaries. Everything is dependent on local business models. In Germany, the car-factory workers are paid over 67 dollars an hour, in US 33 dollars. Yet Germans are able to build twice as much cars and earn higher profits from their actions. Same goes for many other jobs also. In Nordic countries the salaries are very high on average, the prices are even higher, but still affordable, even when earning low salaries locally. There are ways of business, where the owners can earn well, employees paid reasonably, as well as prices kept affordable - at the end everything comes down to greed, keeping the balance between all three.

I would not also care about McDonalds going bankrupt. When it comes to actual economic value the fast-food industry creates, in long-term it is extremely negative for local economy despite the industry itself earning well. The costs of lowered productivity due to various health reasons, which are common among the people having a habit of often eating such foods. Even currently, obesity is costing the economy billions every year, 200 billion on healthcare/150 billion on lost days of productivity, certain parts are not even considere in these two, but at the end obesity is costing the local economy trillions in long-term, while the companies "promoting" unhealthy habits, earn billions individually.

reply to post by TDawgRex

small buisness would survive if all the leaches get off their back, but to many leaches. thats why u and everyone else get low wage, sad insurance if any, always stuck in temp services, charges, fees,late payments,interest,late payment. these and so many others are killing america. Taxes,hikes,charges,people overcharge,steal,cheat,rob,blackmail,lie THE WORKS. A sad time to be in. They MOBSTERS. OR i mean ROBSTERS.

reply to post by Cabin

Thank you very much for this information.
What do you think is the biggest hindrances here in the US that keeps what you are describing from working here?

I know what would work. Have all people who work at a buisness to work for FREE and live in squaller in the good ole backyard and Put a few chains on ur legs and we can all pick cotton in the field so the king can sit on his porch and complain of the smell.

cloaked4u
I know what would work. Have all people who work at a buisness to work for FREE and live in squaller in the good ole backyard and Put a few chains on ur legs and we can all pick cotton in the field so the king can sit on his porch and complain of the smell.

*whaaa*

*sob*

The big bad person is making more money than me.

I haz a sad.

(frowny face)

What never fails to astonish me is that the ATS conservative contingent thinks the poor are stealing from them but the Corporations that receive tax dollars in the form or subsidies, grants, bailouts and profit thru corruption and war profiteering are just capitalist doing business.

Limbaugh has poisoned some minds and souls into a vile form of hatred for women, the disabled, minorities and the poor.

Perhaps the article below can provide some perception.

thinkbynumbers.org...

cloaked4u
but the leaches would preferre this to happen so that they could suck them dry next. youtu.be...

US has a sad face as it sobs to the beat of the video. Going down the drain.

beezzer

cloaked4u
I know what would work. Have all people who work at a buisness to work for FREE and live in squaller in the good ole backyard and Put a few chains on ur legs and we can all pick cotton in the field so the king can sit on his porch and complain of the smell.

*whaaa*

*sob*

The big bad person is making more money than me.

I haz a sad.

(frowny face)

That idiology put people in slavery. The system need an overhaul.

cloaked4u

beezzer

cloaked4u
I know what would work. Have all people who work at a buisness to work for FREE and live in squaller in the good ole backyard and Put a few chains on ur legs and we can all pick cotton in the field so the king can sit on his porch and complain of the smell.

*whaaa*

*sob*

The big bad person is making more money than me.

I haz a sad.

(frowny face)

That idiology put people in slavery. The system need an overhaul.

Bullspit!

People need to stop relying on others (and government) and start relying on themselves.

reply to post by palmalBlue2


There are many aspects, which have created the system as it is.


The culture plays significant role . In different European cultures, not all, humans are seen more as human beings who work, while in many US corporation they are seemingly taken as simply assets for maximising individual profits. I remember well, when recently there was a case, where Volkswagen´s US factory volunteered for unions. This create a very negative feedback from competitors, as this was believed to cause a domino effect among other factories. That was very eye-opening (at least for me) due to seeing the clear difference between the cultures.In Germany being part of a union and respecting the employees is part of the culture, it is considered the norm that companies consider the needs of their employees.

In Germany employees are granted certain employee rights by constition, so in years this has become part of the culture. This has led to some very strong as well as reasonable unions and good co-operation between employer and employees trying to find the solution via workgroups, which would work for everybody, as at the end employer made the company, but employees are helping to realise it and both are necessary parts of the company. The good co-operation has lead to win-win solutions.

There are “two overlapping sets of institutions” in Germany that guarantee high wages and good working conditions for autoworkers. The first is IG Metall, the country’s equivalent of the United Automobile Workers. Virtually all Germany’s car workers are members, and though they have the right to strike, they “hardly use it, because there is an elaborate system of conflict resolution that regularly is used to come to some sort of compromise that is acceptable to all parties,” according to Horst Mund, an IG Metall executive. The second institution is the German constitution, which allows for “works councils” in every factory, where management and employees work together on matters like shop floor conditions and work life. Mund says this guarantees cooperation, “where you don’t always wear your management pin or your union pin.”

"against all mainstream wisdom of the neo-liberals. We have strong unions, we have strong social security systems, we have high wages. So, if I believed what the neo-liberals are arguing, we would have to be bankrupt, but apparently this is not the case. Despite high wages . . . despite our possibility to influence companies, the economy is working well in Germany."

www.forbes.com...

In US it seems as if everybody is in just for themselves and in situations like that there have to be clear winners, who take it all and losers, who lose it all. Expecting fair wages would never work there without government/union intervention of setting reasonable minimum salaries, as if companies could, many would even lower the salaries of the bottom employees for maximising profits of top individuals.One of the reasons lies in majority of the current top executives being raised during the "greed is good" times.

Due to failed economics politics during the past decades, the general life standards have been in decline during the past decades and the wealth being shifted to moving bottom->up. One of the key factors in it has been the rise of the mega-corporations, corporations big enough to influence the decisions made by the government in their favour as well as big enough to successfully stop the competition. The amount of small companies is significantly lower in US than in every other advanced economy, while the most people work for different corporations, even when compared to local standards (in US small companies have less than 500 employees, in rest of the advanced countries less than 50, in Oz less than 15), US still has one of the lowest, if not the lowest small business sector.

All different factors, from high-cost education to the individualistic culture have led to unproportational salary system. I´ll bring some proportions up in dollars - lower - middle-level(specialist) -top executive salaries might be proportioned as 1 - 8 - 100 in US with average salary of the country being around 5, here it would be more like 1-5-(8-10) with average salary lying somewhere near 3. In my current country for example, the highest paid CEO earned 15 average salaries last year, including compensation. In US terms 750k is the highest salary somebody earns for their day-to-day job in a year.

Add together the culture of greed - where the money is the only thing to thrive for without morals, values as well as social and environmental consequences playing any role in the economic landscape as long as the profits are high- and a system that enables it and we get to the point, where US is right now - the lesser version of the dog-eat-dog society, which will possibly become even worse in the latter decades largely due to the education system, which enables the children from wealthier families gain significantly better education than their counterparts from low-income families. In the end education is one of the key points in dealing with different societal issues, especially the social inequality.

In several countries, the companies as well as the government have understood that investing in people will lead to increased productivity at workplace. Happy employees are more productive - healthy and educated people, who have no need to worry about the near-future, are a necessity for economic success.

reply to post by beezzer


Sure rely on oneself, i agree. What about the dissabled. Are we to put them in slave homes again to be abused. People need to rely on themselves,but not get ripped off trying to accomplish that mission. Hey, people want a fair wage for the work done according to the ever changing economy. you cannot exspect someone to work for a wage that was set back in the 1800's and you cannot exspect a person to work for a wage that was made for the 80's either.