Leveller I took the time and read your post. I see what your talking about and it is sincere. I would become a mason to learn the knowledge of mankind. However not being able to share what I learned freely is not in my nature.

I do understand that Humankind is not ready for something that it doesn’t understand. Look at what happen when the “War of The Worlds” was broadcast. Hundreds of people across the U.S killed them selves because they were scared of the unknown. I think this is the same reason the government/masons keep secrets away from the public. If the government/mason did reveal the truth to all people 75% wouldn’t believe it and 20 % would overreact.

I also understand why the people in higher levels hide the truth from the lower levels. You don’t want to reveal knowledge that is very powerful to someone who will use it for “evil” intent. The problem with man is that most are followers. We think we have free will but we really don’t. We would rather have everything told and laid out for us than search for it our selves. Truth is a powerful thing and in the hands of the righteous it can do wonderful things but in the hands of the unrighteous it can be used to manipulate and control.

You talked about a time when you wouldn’t need to keep your secrets a secret. For some reason I have a feeling I know what your talking about. I won’t really say it because like I said before 75% wouldn’t believe it and 20 % would overreact. I’ll just keep it to my self until people are ready to hear it. Truth always sound outlandish is the beginning you can look at history for evidence of this.

P.S check out my quote

How many alias in this thread belong to Hkot?


So much hype around masons, there is nothing specialy really, no 5 headed demon gods

I don't see why there are so many poser-masons on the net, do they think if they say they are masons that everyone else will like them more, or fear them, or think they are all powerful?
Give me a break, please. lol

Well...personally knowing a few masons, there is nothing dodgy about them at all...they do great things for their community and aid wherever they can. Doesn't seem like some evil organisation at all.

...or maybe thats what they want you to believe...

...all an evil plan as they go around sneakily aiding those who are down on their luck, as they deviously provide generous donations to Charitable organisations...as they underhandedly fund Youth Drug and Alcohol rehab course/centres...as they shockingly support and help fund refugee programs, social support networks and generally help sooo many people...

...yep...evil nasty organisation merely posing to be a group of people who collectively want to see their fellow man better off...

Curiosity killed the cat!!!

Leveller good words.

TC funny...you can buy a mason's ring anywhere, that means little. And the way things are in California and New York it wouldn't surprise me that some places Masonry would eventually pick up a few dirt bags.

But they aren't the ones who go to lodge, they get their 3 Degrees in the "1 day 3 degrees program" and hi-tail it out of there.

However it's a small fraction of people.

If I didn't know better TC you have the makings of being a strong Racist, the way you debate with Illimatic and how you seem to judge people on 1 or 2 people you've seen.

I think masonry can be understood, and it doesn't take 20 years either, it just takes a lot of reading from people like "John Robinson" and a few other historical books.

NOT MORALS AND DOGMA, that is not Masonry that is "Scottish Rite".

And to all you profain out there, you owe your very livelyhood to masonry. The Free world is what it is today because of it. Nothing else.

Why do I keep telling people to learn their history? Because they'll see that Freemasonry didn't build churches as much as it built the whole Western World.

Originally posted by TheMaster
Leveller good words.

it wouldn't surprise me that some places Masonry would eventually pick up a few dirt bags.





And to all you profain out there, you owe your very livelyhood to masonry.

"Eventually". No. We're human beings. We've always had our share of dirtbags.

And nobody owes us anything FM. To say otherwise is a lie. We're not here to have people in our debt.

You're right, where was my wits...I let passion get the better of me.

I don't care if they feel indebted or not, no Mason I know does, I misled people with that comment.

I simply wish everyone knew the valuable role Masonry played in the creation of the US.

I've posted it here many times but like most things it's passed up for more interesting things like "NWO" and "Aliens".

Bah...

But you are right and I've made a grave error...from now on I'll try harder to circumscribe my passions and desires.

Hopefully you've forgiven me if you took offence for me speaking for you like that.

And hopefully everyone sees that that was an "erroneous statement".

You do not owe us for creating the western world as it is...

...you do however owe it to yourselves to look up history more than most do.

History is what gives us freedom. Knowing our past gives us strength, and lights our future.

Freemason your full of sh*t. I wish you would just leave

I don't mind what HKoT has to say about Freemasonry and American history. There is no doubt that it has had very influential effects in the 'refining of men' in politics and commerce. People's passions about the conspiratorial elements in Freemasonry are nowhere near as hot as in the UK, where Masons are now being actively discriminated against in many public organisations (including miltary personnel and police).

In my corner of the world Freemasonry is more of a 'mafia of mediocrity'. largely still old men who returned from WW2 and needed a place to socialise and drink in the age when pubs closed at 6.00pm. Not much by way of leadership skill or real knowledge of how to make a lasting impact on the community.

I would say to Prez who started this thread, that the people who get disappointed from their affiliation with Freemasonry are:

(1) those who get into it out of curiosity
(2) those who get into it expecting some advancement or preferment in life as a result.

Instead, think through your core philosophies of life and see if there is any compatibility with what's expressed in the public literature put out by the Grand Lodge in your State or region.

Greetings Masked, by your other post I read I'd assume you're a mason too...I don't know what it is between Hkot//FM//whoever and Leveller and others because they all seem to just fight. And it's getting annoying.

Either way.

Good words. Though I disagree slightly.

In my lodge we're still a bit more "old fashioned" than other grand lodges, who have lowered standards to gain members.

Instead we just upped our efforts.

As I was told well, actually I also read this in a great story wish I could find it. But it is more important to give a brother a reason to stay by actually socializing with them, rather than just all sitting on the side lines, eating and drinking and going home.

Masonry is a full time job you might say Not just all lodge work.

So if say prez falls into a lodge of mostly strangers...which I don't doubt is possible, it would be prez's job, as much as anothers, to make them the brothers that they are.

Even if it is just a little word here or there.

I think most people that drop out of Masonry drop out because they go a few times, get their degrees but never really get involved with other Masons, and so they might even pay dues, but just fade away from the scene.

And actually I was talking with a WW2 vet who is our Senior past master, and man...some of the stuff he said to me was quite ... emotional.

He's like 60 years older than me...and I've always thought myself the strong headed soldier type but he just...said things that hint to you what really happend. And that kinda makes you think.

I was just thinking of that, because you mentioned the dudes from WW2, and they don't have to be the "old doderds in the corner" that they might seem to be

They are the wisest and can really educate the newer guys if you just ask and get them going lol

Prez, Masonry is about a lot of things, it's about questions, learning, and in the end...being right.

I kinda view masonry as a bunch of people doing what they have to do for themselves, together.

We all must do something in us to feel that we've actually done something good for everyone else, and it is something no one can help us with...but it's not a path we have to take alone.

Boy it's late and so my brain is tinkered out...I should give this whole posting thing a rest

Look forward to further conversations in the future.

"It is for the Adepts to understand the meaning of the symbols"

"Every Masonic lodge is a temple of religion; and its teachings are instructions in religion."

"...while scientific and social objects can be easily pursued in the broad light of day, it is still necessary to combat the influence of darkness and night by less open means."


ALBERT PIKE

...I am not a Mason by the way.

dunno about the hkot/fm stuff huh?

/has to duct tape his mouth shut while looking at similar posting styles

Dude you quote so horribly from Albert Pike, and again, you've never read the book.

"A man's relationship with God is his own sacred and personal."

Originally posted by TheWanderer
Dude you quote so horribly from Albert Pike, and again, you've never read the book.

"A man's relationship with God is his own sacred and personal."

You assume quite well. And, how can one "quote horribly"?
Your arrogance is nauseating. the man said what he said. I suppose you are the herald of truth now besides the other moniker that reflects your post(s)

"My Brother, there are several questions that you must answer sincerely and truly...

that first Q. is"what is your religous belief?" Question to initiate 18th Degree from Magnum Opus.....I suppose I did not read this either? Or yet, He did not say this either?
Secrecy, double talk, and deception. If you stay in the shadows, you never have to defend your actions.

[Edited on 4-6-2003 by Tyriffic]

Actually, Big T, quoting Albert Pike (no matter how well or poorly) on Freemasonry is like quoting Adolf Hitler on the future of Germany or Martha Stewart on business ethics or J. Edgar Hoover on appropriate dressing for men. There isn't much accurate, relevant or current information to be gained from Pike.

Tyriffic you obviously show you understand nothing of Freemasonry because now you are drifting off into "scottish rite" which is something MOST Freemasons probably never heard of, because it is really only predominant in America.

In fact, I'm not sure if there are many Scottish Rite members in SCOTLAND lol.

And that of course is what Albert Pike's Morals and dogma is all about, it basically is laying out the ground work for his 30 degrees.

This is why you don't have a clue about what you quote, you take the quote out of context and THEREFORE it is a horrible quote.

And Masked, I wouldn't liken AP and Freemasonry to Hitler and Modern Germany.

Yeah it's a good analogy, Hitler has no power over the future of Germany, just the same with AP, but I don't think the hardcore Anti-masons here have that much brain power to figure it out, and will just botch it and think you are saying Albert Pike is like Hitler or something lol.

Once again, I'm quite annoyed with the anti-masons. Didn't prez ask that the anti-masons not post in this thread because he had already read, seen and heard it all before?

Originally posted by HALLOWEEN78
Once again, I'm quite annoyed with the anti-masons. Didn't prez ask that the anti-masons not post in this thread because he had already read, seen and heard it all before?

Halloween78,

Why did you choose to dredge up this old thread? The last post was in 2003! When I was brand-new to ATS I was taught that if it's not on the first page...it's ancient history.

you responded to the thread that is 2 years old. LOL I think this one should go back to the graveyard.