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Truth is my motive and a desire to see ATS to be a place where ignorance is denied. Claims made against the Jesuits have been discussed so often on ATS (search Jesuits if you doubt it). I am tired of hatred being spread on ATS based on lies.
of or concerning the Jesuits.
dissembling or equivocating, in the manner associated with Jesuits.
"The end justifies the means." This maxim is generally attributed to the Jesuits, and while it might not be found in just that many words in their authorized books, yet the identical sentiment is found over and over again in their Latin works.
Dr. Otto Henne an Rhyn quotes many such sentiments from authorized Jesuit sources. We quote from him the following: "Herman Busembaum, in his 'Medulla Theologiae Moralis' (first published at Frankfort-on-the-Main, 1650) gives this as a theorem (p. 320). Cum finis est licitus, etiam media sunt licita (when the end is lawful, the means also are lawful); and p. 504:Cui licitus est finis, etiam licent media (for whom the end is lawful, the means are lawful also).
The Jesuit Paul Layman, in his 'Theologia Moralis,' lib. III., p. 20 (Munich, 1625), quoting Sanchez, states the proposition in these words. Cui concessus est finis, concessa etiam sunt media ad finem ordinata (to whom the end is permitted, to him also are permitted the means ordered to the end).
Louis Wagemann, Jesuit professor of moral theology, in his 'Synopsis Theologiae Moralis' (Innsbruck and Augsburg, 1762) has. Finis determinat moralitatem actus (the end decides the morality of the act)."–"The Jesuits," pp. 47, 48. New York:1895.
When you get to this post maybe you will understand the effort it takes for one person to factually research and debunk the claims made: www.abovetopsecret.com...
For whatever reason, most of the Jesuit-specific disinfo can be traced back to fringe Seventh Day Adventists. I don't know what the connection is, but those are the guys who really get their panties in a bunch over the Jesuits. General hatred of Catholics and the Roman church is a lot more diversified, extending to many Protestant faiths, as well as non-Christians.
My history of the Jesuits is not eloquently written, but it is supported by unquestionable authorities, [and] is very particular and very horrible. . . . If ever there was a body of men who merited eternal damnation on earth and in hell, it is this Society of [Ignatius de] Loyola.
John Adams (2nd President of the United States)
It is my opinion that if the liberties of this country – the United States of America – are destroyed, it will be by the subtlety of the Roman Catholic Jesuit priests, for they are the most crafty, dangerous enemies to civil and religious liberty. They have instigated MOST of the wars of Europe.
Marquis de LaFayette (General in George Washington’s army.)
The war [i.e., the American Civil War of 1861-1865] would never have been possible without the sinister influence of the Jesuits.
The Jesuits are a MILITARY organization, not a religious order. Their chief is a general of an army, not the mere father abbot of a monastery. And the aim of this organization is power – power in its most despotic exercise – absolute power, universal power, power to control the world by the volition of a single man [i.e., the Black Pope, the Superior General of the Jesuits]. Jesuitism is the most absolute of despotisms [sic] – and at the same time the greatest and most enormous of abuses…
The Jesuits…are simply the Romish army for the earthly sovereignty of the world in the future, with the Pontiff of Rome for emperor…that’s their ideal. …It is simple lust of power, of filthy earthly gain, of domination – something like a universal serfdom with them [i.e., the Jesuits] as masters – that’s all they stand for. They don’t even believe in God perhaps.
The presence of the Jesuits in any country, Romanist [i.e., Catholic] or Protestant, is likely to breed social disturbance.
Lord Palmerston (British Prime Minister)
Between 1555 and 1931 the Society of Jesus [the Jesuits] was expelled from at least 83 countries, city states and cities, for engaging in political intrigue and subversion plots against the welfare of the State
J.E.C. Shepherd (Canadian historian)
I knew we'd get to the Nazi's sometime. But I was expecting something more hateful.
I know you don't want to hear it, but so what? An organizational structure is something devised to keep people organized and directed to a goal. It says nothing whatever about what the goal is.
I know you don't want to hear it, but so what? An organizational structure is something devised to keep people organized and directed to a goal. It says nothing whatever about what the goal is. I bet you didn't know that both the Jesuits and the Nazis used hammers to drive nails. What more proof is needed? But if someone is trying to sneakily and dishonestly associate the Jesuits with the Nazis in their goals:
The Nazi regime considered the Jesuits one of their most dangerous enemies. According to John Pollard, the Jesuit's "ethos represented the most intransigent opposition to the philosophy of Nazism." A Jesuit college in the city of Innsbruck served as a center for anti-Nazi resistance and was closed down by the Nazis in 1938. Jesuits were a target for Gestapo prosecution and many Jesuit priests were deported to concentration camps. (Emphasis added)
reply to post by BlueMoonJoe
I started reading the OP and noticed what appeared to be factual errors in the first two or three points. This surprised me, after all, these were supposed to be researched and proven "facts." I looked at the points a little more closely and spotted more factual errors. Switching over to Wiki and other sources, I found that just about all of the statements had factual errors in them.
If someone is going to claim they have facts which have been researched and there are errors everywhere (and those errors are pointed out and documented), I'd say, yes, the OP was destroyed.
But, I make mistakes. There are things I need to learn, so show me which of my statements are false and show me why, with evidence.
I try not to deflect or anything else like that. I want to know what's true, and currently the position I've shown is more accurate than anything posted by the OP. So, teach me. Show me specifically where I went wrong. Otherwise I'l have to believe that still nobody is prepared to defend the OP.
Chiniquy's writings are still widely distributed and promoted, in books and on webpages. The goal of this website is to provide factual information concerning Charles Chiniquy and his allegations against the Catholic Church.