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Shiloh7
Not having a physicist's understanding of this I am intrigued because from my simple perspective, not only is the way matter comes into being of importance but what I also want to know is, where does intelligent design start to play its part. (I do appreciate that not everyone agrees with the notion of I.D. but I feel that these two things have concerned man for millennia and will do until we understand their workings).
Angelic Resurrection
reply to post by Aleister
Little bit premature, since the existence of higgs boson,
is not yet proven beyond any reasonable doubt
jimmyx
the billions of dollars in construction costs, along with the tens of thousands of man hours by scientists and engineers over the span of ten years and this is what is important??...I've always thought there is more to this, but, aside from scientific curiosity, I have heard nothing that justifies this amount of treasure and toil.
Aleister
reply to post by snoopy11
You've added some very good posts. People with math skill will get a lot out of the math, and your verbal descriptions convey the data well. Is there some way to further summarize the math into verbal, to give further direction to the extent of this new finding? Thanks!edit on 1-12-2013 by Aleister because: (no reason given)
Angelic Resurrection
reply to post by Aleister
Little bit premature, since the existence of higgs boson,
is not yet proven beyond any reasonable doubt
snoopy11
Aleister
reply to post by snoopy11
You've added some very good posts. People with math skill will get a lot out of the math, and your verbal descriptions convey the data well. Is there some way to further summarize the math into verbal, to give further direction to the extent of this new finding? Thanks!edit on 1-12-2013 by Aleister because: (no reason given)
Hey Thanks,
You made a very interesting original post too, but I dont know what math you wanted to further summarize into words.
So maybe you could be more specific ?
Aleister
reply to post by Korg Trinity
That's a good far-out take, and possibly accurate. Years ago I surmised on another website that gravity was time. That as soon as time/space was introduced one of its immediate results was gravity as a facet of what we call time. Since I'm not a trained scientist, and have little if any understanding of math language, I can't blackboard that for you but it felt right at the time and whenever I deep-concentration on it, which I haven't done often. Your theory seems to overlap that concept, so if you have any further stretching of that envelope, please feel free to play with it.
Aleister
- mainly on how can this discovery potentially have real world effects.
Good to have you posting and on-board at ATS, and please put up threads on topics you know quite a bit about which you think either may interest people at this site or you think should be shared with a wider audience. Thanks again!
snoopy11
Aleister
- mainly on how can this discovery potentially have real world effects.
Good to have you posting and on-board at ATS, and please put up threads on topics you know quite a bit about which you think either may interest people at this site or you think should be shared with a wider audience. Thanks again!
Well ok.....
But that would be tough, I could say that this discovery is an affirmation of Peter Higgs's theory, but that would be boring.
The LHC was really built to find the first glimpses of dark matter not just Higgs and that so far has proved elusive for the LHC but not for the space experiment AMS apparently.
The Higgs while related to mass is not related in any way to gravity.
There wont be any new technologies just yet from this discovery, which again could be boring to some, just science for sciences sake but it is really quite important to have all this data about Higgs. The Higgs Field gives apparently all the elementary particles mass apart from the Higgs itself. And although that kind of stuff makes up just 4.9% of the known universe its the kind of stuff that we are made of.
The vast majority of the Universe remains hidden from us, and we are as children in the dark.
jimmyx
the billions of dollars in construction costs, along with the tens of thousands of man hours by scientists and engineers over the span of ten years and this is what is important??...I've always thought there is more to this, but, aside from scientific curiosity, I have heard nothing that justifies this amount of treasure and toil.
jonnywhite
What I hate about all this is it's not improving our world, it's just reaffirming what we thought we already knew. Its not allowing us to live more comfortably or to live longer or to save the children. You see what I mean? It's just something for physicists to pass around and boast about when being interviewed.
If this knowledge is used to make a real difference, THAT is news.edit on 30-11-2013 by jonnywhite because: (no reason given)
Korg Trinity
Aleister
reply to post by Korg Trinity
That's a good far-out take, and possibly accurate. Years ago I surmised on another website that gravity was time. That as soon as time/space was introduced one of its immediate results was gravity as a facet of what we call time. Since I'm not a trained scientist, and have little if any understanding of math language, I can't blackboard that for you but it felt right at the time and whenever I deep-concentration on it, which I haven't done often. Your theory seems to overlap that concept, so if you have any further stretching of that envelope, please feel free to play with it.
I feel your intuition sketches the same concept yet you lack the scientific training to realize the truth of it.
The question of what is time is one that I think not one scientist can answer fully. Time is a measurement of change. At our level of reality there are many force interactions that create the laws of nature. however, at the fundamental level of reality there is only one force that governs everything... this force is not a traditional force it is simply known as potentiality, which is of course a factor of math.
This is why all scientists agree regardless of field, that Mathematics is the language of the universe. This is why when we find a mathematical model that seems to fit with observations we can state that it is with all likelihood a reality.
Now to understand Math as we all do from quite an early age 1 is followed by 2 and then 3 and so on... however for this to be true there needs to be separation... it is this separation that we perceive as time.
At the fundamental level of reality space-time is essentially just a random sea of potentials... it's when randomness forms order that the threshold of coherence is crossed and it is this process that is what we call time. It is also why we call Space, Space-time. Because one cannot exist without the other... they are the same thing.
Entropy is the evening out of energy at it's basic description, so it is easy to see that the less coherent particles have a higher entropy than those with more mass.
The so called Higgs field is a partial view of the truth but unfortunately because it mathematically validates an area of the standard model that was missing it won't be challenged and accepted for further study by the consensus for quite some time if at all.
Peace,
Korg.