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jrod
reply to post by GoodOlDave
Because Alex Jones is so extreme and many of his stories are not verifiable I did link him to this thread.
The DOJ special agent flat out said the majority of people who are being targeted by APPS should not have been targeted and called the raids 'gun confiscation under the guise of safety.' This is coming from someone who was directly involved in the APPS raids.
www.ammoland.com...
seabag
macman
reply to post by jrod
Who is honestly surprised here????
There is no reason for the Govt to collect and hold info on individual sales, except to know where they are and have the ability to take when deemed.
Sadly, I’m willing to look the other way with regard to the 2nd amendment rights of Californians. They’ve gotten themselves to this point through their stupid policies…let them deal with the consequences!
F-em! They reap what they sow.
Em2013
8675309jenny
seabag
macman
reply to post by jrod
Who is honestly surprised here????
There is no reason for the Govt to collect and hold info on individual sales, except to know where they are and have the ability to take when deemed.
Sadly, I’m willing to look the other way with regard to the 2nd amendment rights of Californians. They’ve gotten themselves to this point through their stupid policies…let them deal with the consequences!
F-em! They reap what they sow.
THIS is what's wrong with us!! Because of attitudes like this, they will take us down one state at a time! You think everyone in California enjoys the hyperliberals there who ruin the state? What about good people who own a business there and can't afford to leave? or have family, a well-established career? Seniority with a fire-dept? etc.
Californians don't deserve this just because the communists got themselves into gov't there.
Actually, you're right. From my understanding most people think that it's useless to try and vote for anything other than Democrat, which is why they tend to not vote in California. But in reality, California is still very conservative, just not certain parts. Unfortunately you have a lot of voters that never knew Brown was the one that causes the horrendous mess in California over a decade ago and they voted for him. Those that get their vote counted are typically the uneducated kind, the ones that vote without knowing sh-- about anything political or economical. The problem with the law is that anyone can vote regardless if they know facts or not. There are so many people that I've talked that agree that we should have a no-cheat test to take prior to voting. This would effectively end a large number of single-point voters and strictly left/right voters. Know history, know the policies which the candidates are for/against for participating party members and your vote should count. It shouldn't be because someone is of a certain color to "be a part of history" or "because they are liberal/repub". Anyhow, more people should try to vote at least in California, I'm sure they can do it. /rant
jrod
reply to post by GoodOlDave
Because Alex Jones is so extreme and many of his stories are not verifiable I did NOT link him to this thread.
The DOJ special agent flat out said the majority of people who are being targeted by APPS should not have been targeted and called the raids 'gun confiscation under the guise of safety.' This is coming from someone who was directly involved in the APPS raids.
www.ammoland.com...
GoodOlDave
What I'm contesting is the validity of this specific case. Alex Jones is notorious for pushing so much outright paranoid drivel to the point where I'd demand proof even if he said water was wet, so when he pushes THIS case my BS alarm goes off.
“What do we do about the guns that are already in the hands of persons who, by law, are considered too dangerous to possess them?” Harris said in a letter to Vice President Joe Biden after a Connecticut school shooting in December left 26 dead. She recommended that Biden, heading a White House review of gun policy, consider California as a national model.
As many as 200,000 people nationwide may no longer be qualified to own firearms, according to Garen Wintemute, director of the Violence Prevention Research Program at the University of California, Davis. Other states may lack confiscation programs because they don’t track purchases as closely as California, which requires most weapons sales go through a licensed dealer and be reported.
“Very, very few states have an archive of firearm owners like we have,” said Wintemute, who helped set up the program.
ChuckNasty
ProfessorChaos
It pains me to say it, but I saw this coming a LONG, long time ago.
These types of things are not going to stop on their own, they're going to need some "help".
Saw it coming? They do this everyday in Cali. Don't bring non CA legal guns into CA.
California is not a gun friendly state.
ProfessorChaos
ChuckNasty
ProfessorChaos
It pains me to say it, but I saw this coming a LONG, long time ago.
These types of things are not going to stop on their own, they're going to need some "help".
Saw it coming? They do this everyday in Cali. Don't bring non CA legal guns into CA.
California is not a gun friendly state.
I'm speaking in reference to public confiscation of legally owned guns in the country, not just California. This is simply the beginning of the tidal wave of rights violations to come.
Oldtimer2
Funny I live in So California,my ex works for the DA'a office,there has been nothing in news or anything about this,sounds like someone making a story about an isolated incident,BS I say,prove it,and I do have weapons,several
Oldtimer2
Funny I live in So California,my ex works for the DA'a office,there has been nothing in news or anything about this,sounds like someone making a story about an isolated incident,BS I say,prove it,and I do have weapons,several
Interesting thoughts. I think the democratic party was hijacked by neo-libs about 2006 the same way the republican party was hijacked by neo-cons in 2003ish.
People have been duped into left vs right when it has always been people vs government.
jrod
reply to post by Oldtimer2
I posted several links that all seem to verify this. One even has a former California DOJ special agent who participated on raids. I think there are about 20,000 people on the APPS list that are being targeted. To be targeted you have to have registered guns and be flagged as a prohibited person. Given that California has close to 40 million, less than 0.1% of the population is targeted.
If someone can debunk this story please do, it will make a lot of us sleep better at night. Like I said, I found several sources that appear to verify that this is really happening.
edit on 3-12-2013 by jrod because: always something