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the Zionists you say have ascended, you mean the ones who own the banks and media or the people who believe in a Jewish homeland?
I make a distinction between the suffering you experience yourself directly, and the evil you observe in your outer world. I think the outer world might be a mirror of your mind and "other people" thus not really being other people. Either representations/metaphors for aspects of yourself or a simulation that God is playing up just for you. Or maybe they are people but maybe it's like Bashar says that it's your version of them, rather than the actual real them. This also resonates with Socrates:
We suffer from evil until we are awakened by it?
What about the perpetrators of evil? What do they suffer from?
"Platonism" is a term coined by scholars to refer to the intellectual consequences of denying, as Plato's Socrates often does, the reality of the material world. In several dialogues, most notably the Republic, Socrates inverts the common man's intuition about what is knowable and what is real. While most people take the objects of their senses to be real if anything is, Socrates is contemptuous of people who think that something has to be graspable in the hands to be real. In the Theaetetus, he says such people are "eu a-mousoi", an expression that means literally, "happily without the muses" (Theaetetus 156a). In other words, such people live without the divine inspiration that gives him, and people like him, access to higher insights about reality.
Socrates's idea that reality is unavailable to those who use their senses is what puts him at odds with the common man, and with common sense. Socrates says that he who sees with his eyes is blind, and this idea is most famously captured in his allegory of the cave, and more explicitly in his description of the divided line. The allegory of the cave (begins Republic 7.514a) is a paradoxical analogy wherein Socrates argues that the invisible world is the most intelligible ("noeton") and that the visible world ("(h)oraton") is the least knowable, and the most obscure.
Socrates says in the Republic that people who take the sun-lit world of the senses to be good and real are living pitifully in a den of evil and ignorance. Socrates admits that few climb out of the den, or cave of ignorance, and those who do, not only have a terrible struggle to attain the heights, but when they go back down for a visit or to help other people up, they find themselves objects of scorn and ridicule.
According to Socrates, physical objects and physical events are "shadows" of their ideal or perfect forms, and exist only to the extent that they instantiate the perfect versions of themselves. Just as shadows are temporary, inconsequential epiphenomena produced by physical objects, physical objects are themselves fleeting phenomena caused by more substantial causes, the ideals of which they are mere instances. For example, Socrates thinks that perfect justice exists (although it is not clear where) and his own trial would be a cheap copy of it.
The allegory of the cave (often said by scholars to represent Plato's own epistemology and metaphysics) is intimately connected to his political ideology (often said to also be Plato's own), that only people who have climbed out of the cave and cast their eyes on a vision of goodness are fit to rule. Socrates claims that the enlightened men of society must be forced from their divine contemplations and be compelled to run the city according to their lofty insights. Thus is born the idea of the "philosopher-king", the wise person who accepts the power thrust upon him by the people who are wise enough to choose a good master. This is the main thesis of Socrates in the Republic, that the most wisdom the masses can muster is the wise choice of a ruler.
“Do not call conspiracy everything this people calls a conspiracy; do not fear what they fear, and do not dread it. The Lord Almighty is the one you are to regard as holy, he is the one you are to fear, he is the one you are to dread. He will be a holy place; for both Israel and Judah he will be a stone that causes people to stumble and a rock that makes them fall. And for the people of Jerusalem he will be a trap and a snare. Many of them will stumble; they will fall and be broken, they will be snared and captured.”
no,the evil greedy people will always make misery on other,for they are better
reply to post by symptomoftheuniverse
That is one possibility. I believe in "as above so below", "as within so without". But I think it might be that an evil outer world is a mirror of the fake self, the self with lower case s. The conditioning that we have come to identify with. When we have our first spiritual awakening the world becomes darker for a lot of people and then keeps getting darker. I think this is what is called "the dark night of the soul". It is a cleansing of the soul. When the cleansing is finished, the New World Order is established. We either live in denial, and often depression, or we become soul searchers. Or, as a third option, we are already in the light without ever having been in "the shadow", as it's also called. The downside of that is that those people lack depth of vision since you have to be in the shadow to learn. So what you call being evil yourself I would call a blessing.edit on 331130Fri, 29 Nov 2013 15:33:06 -0600201306pAmerica/Chicago2013-11-29T15:33:06-06:0030 by introspectionist because: (no reason given)