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the experts said it had gone before its close encounter,they did not wait to see if it reapeared. There were lots on ats who said wait and see however even after it reappeared they still proclaimed its gone. People should learn to trust their eyes and not other peoples "superior " eyes.
daryllyn
soficrow
reply to post by TheStev
...I hope Phage or another expert can tell us exactly what we're seeing...
Phage has gone on record -repeatedly- insisting ISON is destroyed. I too, would like to hear what he says now.
But EVERY source available said it was gone at the time. I thought it was gone, too.... lots of people did.
soficrow
reply to post by daryllyn
But EVERY source available said it was gone at the time. I thought it was gone, too.... lots of people did.
Not quite true. A number of professional and amateur astronomers questioned the official analysis, and kept looking for evidence - which is how breakthroughs are made in every discipline. Conversely, blind unthinking unhesitant support of the status quo is what blocks access to truth.
TSOM87
The path of ISON is it still the same after coming out for the other side of the sun? Do we know for sure?
Sungrazer Comets @SungrazerComets 14h
.@real_matt_a Correct! Comet #ISON absolutely will NOT have changed direction/orbit, regardless of what it's doing right now.
Comet #ISON's orbit will NOT have changed appreciably during perihelion. Perhaps a *tiny* nudge but absolutely nothing to worry about.
Comet #ISON's orbit will NOT have changed appreciably during perihelion. Perhaps a *tiny* nudge but absolutely nothing to worry about.
soficrow
Not quite true. A number of professional and amateur astronomers questioned the official analysis, and kept looking for evidence - which is how breakthroughs are made in every discipline. Conversely, blind unthinking unhesitant support of the status quo is what blocks access to truth.
daryllyn
soficrow
reply to post by daryllyn
But EVERY source available said it was gone at the time. I thought it was gone, too.... lots of people did.
Not quite true. A number of professional and amateur astronomers questioned the official analysis, and kept looking for evidence - which is how breakthroughs are made in every discipline. Conversely, blind unthinking unhesitant support of the status quo is what blocks access to truth.
I must have missed those then. The first official word ...
the experts said it had gone before its close encounter,they did not wait to see if it reapeared. There were lots on ats who said wait and see however even after it reappeared they still proclaimed its gone.
daryllyn
soficrow
reply to post by TheStev
...I hope Phage or another expert can tell us exactly what we're seeing...
Phage has gone on record -repeatedly- insisting ISON is destroyed. I too, would like to hear what he says now.
But EVERY source available said it was gone at the time. I thought it was gone, too.... lots of people did.
That's what happens when you turn into a so called "expert' by repeating blindly whatever the masses tell you is the truth, based on someone else's research, instead of actually going and learning how to research for yourself.
I see A LOT of people giving phage a hard time because he said the comet was dead... but for quite a while... every single source available said that ISON didn't make it.
soficrow
reply to post by daryllyn
But EVERY source available said it was gone at the time. I thought it was gone, too.... lots of people did.
Not quite true. A number of professional and amateur astronomers questioned the official analysis, and kept looking for evidence - which is how breakthroughs are made in every discipline. Conversely, blind unthinking unhesitant support of the status quo is what blocks access to truth.
introspectionist
When I first heard about ISON I thought it might be the return of Jesus. Then when I heard ISON was gone I thought maybe I wasn't accepted to come along with Jesus/have a second coming. When I read this it feels like: "ok, you were really close to going to hell, but we're going to give you a last chance to be accepted to come with Jesus". I hope it is Jesus and I hope I will be accepted.edit on 111130Fri, 29 Nov 2013 13:11:56 -0600201356pAmerica/Chicago2013-11-29T13:11:56-06:0030 by introspectionist because: (no reason given)
rickymouseJesus was dead for three days, this comet only died for three hours.
As comet ISON plunged towards to the Sun, it began to fall apart, losing not giant fragments but at least a lot of reasonably sized chunks. There's evidence of very large dust in the form of that long thin tail we saw in the LASCO C2 images. Then, as ISON plunged through the corona, it continued to fall apart and vaporize, and lost its coma and tail completely just like Lovejoy did in 2011. (We have our theories as to why it didn't show up in the SDO images but that's not our story to tell - the SDO team will do that.) Then, what emerged from the Sun was a small but perhaps somewhat coherent nucleus, that has resumed emitting dust and gas for at least the time being. In essence, the tail is growing back, as Lovejoy's did.
I'll just say this upfront right now: whatever you read in the following blog post, please feel free to assume it is completely incorrect and the truth is actually quite contrary to what I'm saying. It has been - and continues to be - one of those days.
As the comet plunged through the solar atmosphere, and failed to put on a show in the SDO images, we understandably concluded that ISON had succumbed to its passage and died a fiery death. Except it didn't. Well, maybe...
We have our theories as to why it didn't show up in the SDO images but that's not our story to tell - the SDO team will do that.
the conspiracy theorist in me tells me that they new it would survive and they tried to make people think it had gone,they did not appreciate how bright that thing was on exit. Imagine if isons orbit is in fact the same orbit but in reverse. We would not see it coming directly from the sun. Now what are they gonna do? Pure speculation of course but if the comet disapears in the suns daylight then its make your peace time.
rickymouse
reply to post by daryllyn
Most legitimate sources I looked at stated that Ison APPEARED to have died, they are typical scientific articles. The people at NASA never said it died for sure. They know better. A comet not long ago did the same thing. Phage must have read the articles wrong as did many others. I try to read exactly what the articles say and try to identify any terms of uncertainty that are used in their sentences.edit on 29-11-2013 by rickymouse because: (no reason given)
I guess I am not as quick to write off the opinions of experts, you know... the ones that spent years getting their educations and years studying comets and their behavior, as the ATS community at large is.. apparently.