Angola denies it has banned Islam

LUANDA - Angola's government on Tuesday denied it had banned Islam and closed mosques in the country, after speculation that sparked outrage among Muslims worldwide.

"There is no war in Angola against Islam or any other religion," said Manuel Fernando, director of the National Institute for Religious Affairs, part of the ministry of culture.

"There is no official position that targets the destruction or closure of places of worship, whichever they are," Fernando told AFP.

Reports that Angola, a traditionally devout Catholic nation, would crack down on Muslims had drawn condemnation from the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation and others.

Angola denies it has banned Islam

Well, the drama is over. So it seems, Islam stays in Angola. Next time, I'd suggest you look out for the media trolly! Good day.

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Where are the Islamophobes with the "good going Angola" etc etc? lmao


Good job for rational thinkers in that thread who said that was not the case.

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Outrage breaking out in the Muslim World over something that didn't really happen? Shocking. When was the last time you heard of contentment breaking out in the Muslim World?

Ok.....

I wanna compare the other Thread to this thread, Stars/Flags, replies and all,

This will give some expression of ATS community and their attitude toward such subjects.

luciddream

Where are the Islamophobes with the "good going Angola" etc etc? lmao


Good job for rational thinkers in that thread who said that was not the case.
I wanna compare the other Thread to this thread, Stars/Flags, replies and all,

This will give some expression of ATS community and their attitude toward such subjects.

i think it's good that they aren't ejecting people from their country based on things like religion. i also find it incredibly ironic to see you saying this after spending the greater part of 2 days, condemning religion in general. you are a trip

I bet by next summer they are under full attack by the Peace loving ##snip##

mikell
I bet by next summer they are under full attack by the Peace loving ##snip##

well i have a hard time, balancing in my head, how it would be generating confidence in the minds of others who don't hold the same beliefs as mine, that i think their world view should be banned or the world view of someone else. if i'm quick to want others views to be silenced, doesn't that make me part of the problem?

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i also find it incredibly ironic to see you saying this after spending the greater part of 2 days, condemning religion in general. you are a trip

1) i don't like bringing in the subjects from another thread, i suggest you do the same, it is in the T&C.

2) I still hate religion and want it out of Government and School.

3) I support everyone right to practice their crap. Just don't let it affect me(thru politician etc).

4) And i really don't like when one religion picks on an another, claiming to be the better one.

5) i am still an agnostic atheist!

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3) I support everyone right to practice their crap. Just don't let it affect me(thru politician etc).

i agree with this. somebody's world view has to have the final say. in a country that has agreed to protect the rights of others, it should be a neutral party, regulated by law or at the very least, regulated by law, whether they have a dog in the fight or not. soon as that disappears, people start dying for their world view, and that's when it leaves the domain of "do unto others as you'd have them do unto you", and goes straight for, "my way or the highway". if the usa let's the rights of each person to worship as they see fit, slip away, it's gonna get messy for everyone. it's almost to that point now.

Well better luck next time I guess
It sure was fun while we bought it.

At least they aren't like some parts of Russia where the Orthodox Church is taking over government and abolishing all other forms of worship:
forum18.org...

oh...I didn't mean to single Russia out.
Armenia
Uzbekistan
Russia
Kazakhstan
Tajikistan
Azerbaijan
Belarus
Turkmenistan
Georgia
Kyrgyzstan
Also are jailing any preachers, evangelizers, conversionists that aren't the Orthodox/gov supported religion

Just saying...its a trend.

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what is the orthodox/state approved religion in russia?

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en.wikipedia.org...

aka ROC
"
The Christian community that became the Russian Orthodox Church is traditionally said to have been founded by the Apostle Andrew, who is thought to have visited Scythia and Greek colonies along the northern coast of the Black Sea. According to one of the legends, Andrew reached the future location of Kiev and foretold the foundation of a great Christian city.[10][11] The spot where he reportedly erected a cross is now marked by St. Andrew's Cathedral.

By the end of the first millennium AD, eastern Slavic lands started to come under the cultural influence of the Eastern Roman Empire. In 863-869, Saint Cyril and Saint Methodius translated parts of the Bible into Old Church Slavonic language for the first time, paving the way for the Christianization of the Slavs. There is evidence that the first Christian bishop was sent to Novgorod from Constantinople either by Patriarch Photius or Patriarch Ignatios, circa 866-867 AD.

By the mid-10th century, there was already a Christian community among Kievan nobility, under the leadership of Greek and Byzantine priests, although paganism remained the dominant religion. Princess Olga of Kiev was the first ruler of Kievan Rus to convert to Christianity, either in 945 or 957. Her grandson, Vladimir the Great, made Kievan Rus' a Christian state.

As a result of the Christianization of Kievan Rus' in 988, Prince Vladimir I of Kiev officially adopted Byzantine Rite Christianity — the religion of the Eastern Roman Empire — as the state religion of Kievan Rus'. This date is often considered the official birthday of the Russian Orthodox Church. Thus, in 1988, the Church celebrated its millennial anniversary. It therefore traces its apostolic succession through the Patriarch of Constantinople.
"

"In 1914 there were 55,173 Russian Orthodox churches and 29,593 chapels, 112,629 priests and deacons, 550 monasteries and 475 convents with a total of 95,259 monks and nuns in Russia.[citation needed]

Tsar Alexis praying before the relics of Metropolitan Philip
The year 1917 was a major turning point in Russian history, and also the Russian Orthodox Church.[17] The Russian empire was dissolved and the Tsarist government - which had granted the Church numerous privileges - was overthrown. After a few months of political turmoil, the Bolsheviks took power in October 1917 and declared a separation of church and state.
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Beginning in the late 1980s, under Mikhail Gorbachev, the new political and social freedoms resulted in many church buildings being returned to the church, to be restored by local parishioners. A pivotal point in the history of the Russian Orthodox Church came in 1988 - the millennial anniversary of the Baptism of Kievan Rus'. Throughout the summer of that year, major government-supported celebrations took place in Moscow and other cities; many older churches and some monasteries were reopened. An implicit ban on religious propaganda on state TV was finally lifted. For the first time in the history of the Soviet Union, people could see live transmissions of church services on television"

Metropolitan Alexy of Leningrad, ascended the Patriarchal throne in 1990 and presided over the partial return of Orthodox Christianity to Russian society after 70 years of repression, transforming the ROC to something resembling a state religion; some 15,000 churches had been re-opened or built by the end of his reign. The Church also sought to fill the ideological vacuum left by the end of communism, and even, in the opinion of some analysts, became "a separate branch of power".[48]
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I know, lots of copy paste...but you can get the idea

then go back to the forum18.org website, and see reports of what is actually happening now

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reply to post by Xcouncil=wisdom


you mean it's catholic? as in roman catholic?

reply to post by undo


nope....not roman catholic, similar but not the same

www.newworldencyclopedia.org...

Its the form of Christianity that has been most popular in that region for litteraly millennia

and it enjoys its power


"In the wake of this Christianization, Prince Vladimir I of Kiev officially adopted Byzantine Rite Christianity in 988 C.E.—the religion of the Eastern Roman Empire—as the state religion of Kievan Rus'. This date is often considered the official birthday of the Russian Orthodox Church. Thus, in 1988, the Church celebrated its millennial anniversary. It therefore traces its apostolic succession through the Patriarch of Constantinople."


sorry for the thread derail...it happens

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There was one time in the Muslim world when they had a degree of contentment, and the same thing can be said for the native Americans:

BEFORE THEY CAME IN CONTACT WITH THE WESTERN WORLD AND THE CREATION OF THE US AND THE CREATION OF ISRAEL!

Have a nice thanksgiving

luciddream
Where are the Islamophobes with the "good going Angola" etc etc? lmao

You're so cute, using big buzzwords. Do you even know what they mean? Probably not, and that's why you're so cute. Like a little child that says something they heard on TV! Haha, just want to pinch your little ignorant cheeks!

For most of us, we're not afraid of Islam. We're mad, sick and overall tired of them. We want them out of the West, and for good reason. Things like this is one reason why we realize we can't live with them:

In recent years, the Turkish minority has shown an increased tendency to segregation and radical views.
According to a representative 2012 survey, 72% of the Turks in Germany believe that Islam is the only true religion, 62% prefer social contacts only to fellow Turks, 46% wish that one day more Muslims live in Germany than Christians, 25% think atheists are inferior human beings, 18% believe Jews are inferior human beings, and 51% believe that homosexuality is a sickness.

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If anyone is any sort of "phobe", it's Muslims who are leading the phobia march.

Here's my response to another thread that details why I feel the way I do for reference.

Good on Angola. Islam has proven to be nothing more than a political ideology hiding behind a religious front. Anyone who have spent any time in Europe can clearly see how Islam hurts the host nation. It's like a cancer that spreads slowly.

I'm raised in the United States by liberal parents. I was rather liberal myself, throughout school I had more "minority" friends than whites. My ex wife isn't white, our daughter is mixed race. However, I moved to Europe in the early 2000's. Since then, I've seen Europe take a turn for the worse.

At first I had no problem with Muslims and often felt that they were looked down upon because they weren't white. (Racism) I made quite a few Muslim friends which gave me a close look into how they really think. And within a short few years, my beliefs were challenged and slowly started changing.

Never in a million years would I have thought I'd be against Islam, but having Muslims openly ask me stupid question trying to be offensive and provoke a fight like, "Did you like the gift of 9/11? we gave you" to being attacked in Sweden and put in the hospital for nothing more than having an American flag on my backpack.

I had lunch with four of my Muslim "friends" and all through this lunch I got to listen to how they hated Europe, how they were going to "use" the system for money and schooling only to ditch Norway and return to their country and how the Christians were "ass holes" and how much they hated them.

I've been asked to help illegally bring Muslims into Norway by "losing" my passport. I've had two close friends (a guy and his fiance) put into the hospital for being ethnic Norwegians by a band of Muslim "youths". A friend was robbed by knifepoint by Muslims. I've had Muslim friends who were BORN in Norway who didn't consider themselves Norwegian, but rather Iraqi. I askd why, and all I got was, "Most of us born here don't consider ourselves Norwegian".

I've had a friend raped in Oslo by Muslims for being a "Norwegian dog" during the rape spree in Oslo a couple of years ago. (And something that still continues.) One friend of mine dated a Muslim man, when he got violent she left him. He beat her within an inch of her life and have had actual police escorts take her home from work because he showed up. When he was asked why he did it, he simply said, "No Norwegian dog will ever leave ME!".

This only scratches the surface and of course, only touches upon my own experiences. I could spend hours providing news stories of how Muslims have beaten, raped and robbed elderly women with walkers in the open street, or how gangs of Muslim youths rob people the day, or beat women for not giving them their phone numbers.

And I know some idiots here will claim that none of this is true, that I'm ignorant and have no clue what I'm talking about. These very same idiots are the kind of people who have not spent any time in Europe or have spent any periods of time around Muslims. They keep their heads buried in the sand and pretend that we're living in some kind of Disney movie where we all get along.

The truth is politically incorrect. It's just how it is. No matter how much you want to believe otherwise, reality WILL bite you on the ass. It did it to me.

Let's face it, it's easier to stick your head in the sand and pretend the world is just fine, and that the only issue to face is some "Islamophobes" instead of admitting there's a huge problem which actually requires you to do something uncomfortable like confronting someone. It's not that you're a bad person, you're just a morally weak individual.

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You're so cute, using big buzzwords. Do you even know what they mean? Probably not, and that's why you're so cute. Like a little child that says something they heard on TV! Haha, just want to pinch your little ignorant cheeks!

lol im not gonna mention my credentials, but i probably did in a science forum on ATS, i don't use words i do not understand.

lmao, you are pissed off. You must be an extremist if you going to be pissed off at some story involving Muslims.

I also highly doubt you are liberal, at least not according to your post in ATS. You lean a lot toward right.



So those friends you chilled with suppose to represent.. um what 2 billion population? Please Almost everything you said is done by many people....

I also had many Muslim people around since i was 10 yrs old. Nope no one was getting their throat cut or threatened to kill me because im not Muslims, or even rape or asked to smuggle immigrants. lol

What you do is pick the worst in people and broadcast it as something they r the only one who does it.


You think when a Caucasian American rapes, do they mention his religion on the news? or do they just mention his name?

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Ask christians the same thing you will get the same answer. Do christians believe their religion is the only one that is "right"? yes.... they do, do most of them wish that the entire world should be christian? Yes... they do... Would most of them think the middle east would be a better place if Muslims were no longer the majority in the middle east... I am sure they would...

Lets face it, every religion thinks they are right, the difference is Islam teaches that Christians, Jews, and Muslims as well as people who were completely ignorant of God will be in heaven... Christianity and Judaism are not that inclusive in their idea of heaven...

I am a shia muslim woman and I have a christian husband... if we can get along beautifully and with love for each other, and respect the other's right to worship the way he/she sees fit...then I have no idea why the rest of the world cannot!

Although, I do believe it began by seeing the other as people... and respecting our differences from the beginning.

I'm not able to buy bacon or other pork products because of my religion.







I lost my wallet in church.