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At least you are honest about your position randy. I can respect that.
Just one thing, I don't see it as a problem. You do.
I really have no choice in the matter tho do I?
If the 2350 date were correct, then human civilization would’ve had to undergo an extreme population explosion in the millenium following the flood. According to Biblical sources, there would have been millions of Jews leaving Egypt, so assuming a global population of 40 million around that time (~1350 BC), and comparing that to global population estimates later in history (an estimated 200+ million by 0 AD), would require an incredibly high population growth between 2350 BC and 1350 BC (5,000,000 fold increase in 1,000 years), and a much lower population growth after 1350 BC – usually less than 5 fold population growth within any 1,000 year period between 1350 BC and 1800 AD.
(4) Genetic evidence shows that human beings are far too genetically diverse to be descended from a single family in 2350 B.C. If Noah’s Ark were true, then all men alive today would’ve gotten their Y-chromosomes from Noah, and all human mitochondrial DNA would come from Noah’s wife and the three daughter-in-laws. Studies of the human Y-Chromosome show that you’d need far more than 4,300 years to accumulate that many mutations. Human beings could not be descended from a single male in 2350 B.C. What the studies show, instead, is that, in order to explain the number of mutations in the human Y-Chromosome, you have to allow for roughly 60,000-90,000 years. Similarly, human mitochondrial DNA requires roughly 160,000 years to accumulate that many mutations — showing that Eve could not have lived 6,000 years ago as the Bible says.
reply to post by Krazysh0t
Wait, you say that science isn't credible because it changes its mind on things all the time (happens when new evidence comes to light allowing scientists to update current theories and hypotheses), then say that the bible is more credible because it refuses to change its mind despite OVERWHELMING evidence that contradicts it? That is highly illogical.
Negative! What I do believe and have really said nothing of,
is that one day science will change it's mind enough to have
come full circle and agee with what the Bible said all along.
It's already happened actually in a number of instances I
can't quite recall. (bold added)
So, depending on what you use for a cubit, Ye Arke is about 450 feet long, 75 wide, and 45 tall, right? I work best in etres, so lets do a bit of conversion: that's 137.16 by 22.86 by 13.716 metres, right? For ease of calculation, let's call it 140 x 23 x 14. This give you 45.080e+3 cubic metres. One cubic metre of pure water is one metric tonne. Salt water is a bit more dense. Be nice, add another thousand tonnes or so... Ye Arke displaces 46,000 tonnes. Maybe 46,400 at max. And I'm being generous. (The reader who knows something about ship-building will also spot a certain minor problem with the above figures. No creationist has ever seen it... in part 'cause if it's corrected, things get worse for Ye Arke.)
The sheer size. HMS _Victory_, still preserved at Portsmouth, was 186 feet long on the gundeck. HMS _Victoria_, the last full-rigged 1st rate ship of the line to serve as flag of the Channel Fleet, built in 1859, was 250 feet long on the gundeck. And she had a steel frame because the RN had found that building wooden ships much bigger than 225 feet long was not a good idea because they tended to straddle or to hog on being launched; that is, they tended to bend, their bows and sterns to stick up out of the water at an angle, (that¹s straddling) or to bend the other way, the bows and sterns supported by waves but the midships sections out of the water (or at least not as well supported) (that¹s hogging) and either way their keels tended to crack under the strain. Even with steel frames, wooden ships bigger than 250 feet long tended to hog or straddle. Don't take my word for it, look it up for yourself. One possible source: _The Wooden Fighting Ship In the Royal Navy, 897-1860_, EHH Archibald, Blandford Press, London. Sorry, my copy was published back before ISBNs. Edward Archibald was at the time of writing the curator of the National Maritime Museum, Portsmouth, England. Or build a wooden boat 250 feet long and see what happens. Ye Arke was the size of _two_ 1st rate line of battleships, laid end-to-end. Noah was a shepherd. He knew better than the shipwrights at Chatham who built the ships with which the RN dominated the world for 150 years? If I'm wrong, and it is possible to build a 450 foot wooden vessel, by all means demonstrate it. I'll even put up some of the money... so long as I get to record the launch of said vessel. And so long as those who say that such a craft would be safe are willing to stay on it while it's being launched. Me, I figure that I'd get some _great_ pix.
The Earth Canopy? By that are you referring to the vapor canopy hypothesis? You know, that crazy biblical claim that if it were true would crush every single land animal on the planet into red paste?
First, let us look at atmospheric pressure. For the earth's atmosphere, the pressure is almost exactly hydrostatic, since it is held to the earth by gravity and velocities are too low to significantly change the pressure. In plain language this means that the air pressure at any point is equal to the weight of the air in a unit area column above that point. At sea level, air pressure in US engineering units is about 14.5 pounds/sq inch because a column of air one inch square extending to the top of the atmosphere weighs (Guess what!?) 14.5 pounds. On top of Mt. Everest, the pressure is lower because the lowest and densest 9km of the atmosphere is below that point.
Now the "vapor canopy" would form a part of the atmosphere, being a body of gas (water vapor) gravitationally held to the earth. It would in fact be most of the pre-flood atmosphere. There would have to be enough vapor to form 9km of liquid, when condensed, and, therefore the vapor would weigh as much as 9km of water. The pressure at the earth's surface, where Noah and family lived, would be equal to one atmosphere PLUS the weight of a 9km column of water of unit area. This is equivalent to the pressure 9km deep in the ocean. What is this pressure? Well, each 10m of water is roughly equivalent to one atmosphere, so the pressure would be 900 atmospheres. The atmosphere would also have a composition of about 900 parts water vapor to one part of what we call air today.
we will ever know what ACTUALLY happened back then short of a time machine,
Science is our time machine. We have ice core samples that take us back past 4300 bc when Noahs Ark was supposed to happen. The ice core samples prove it didn't happen. We have living 100,000 year old coral reefs and 80,000 year old living trees. The fact that they are undisturbed and living mean that the flood didn't happen. Those are our 'time machines' back in time. And time machines take us there ... with no lies ... bold naked truth.
Oh I know and agree with you.
You are the one who doesn't understand that we are talking about someone who defies reality in the first place.
The flood happened only because our Father in Heaven said it did.
But that seems hard for you Mr. Christian.
reply to post by Krazysh0t
Off the top of my head the seven yr cycle of farming.
Science only confirms the Bible. I'm sure you'll smack that
down with semantics or some scientific ass wipe tho.
but your request has been met.edit on Ram32114v06201400000053 by randyvs because: (no reason given)
During shmita, the land is left to lie fallow and all agricultural activity, including plowing, planting, pruning and harvesting, is forbidden by halakha (Jewish law). Other cultivation techniques (such as watering, fertilizing, weeding, spraying, trimming and mowing) may be performed as a preventative measure only, not to improve the growth of trees or other plants. Additionally, any fruits which grow of their own accord are deemed hefker (ownerless) and may be picked by anyone. A variety of laws also apply to the sale, consumption and disposal of shmita produce. All debts, except those of foreigners, were to be remitted.
Middle Eastern farmers practiced crop rotation in 6000 BC without understanding the chemistry, alternately planting legumes and cereals.
Strike down one miracle and you're not a Christian because you doubt God.
You are no Christian like I've ever seen.
There was no miracle of Noahs Ark.
Say it as much as you want. That's your doubt to deal with.
I don't doubt God.
Who cares about all the things that would have to line up AFTER the flood ended like population density and such when the dimensions of the ark are GIVEN in the bible and when constructed by skilled shipwrights, the ark falls apart when put in water? We can actually reconstruct the ark that is said to have been built by a sheepherder (read: NOT a shipwright of any sort) and engineering, math, and physics literally make that structure a physical impossibility to EVER function as a boat for a long period of time. It doesn't matter what randy says about science coming around to a flood happening, the very dimensions of the ark given in the bible make the story and impossibility. That isn't science either, it's just straight up engineering and math.