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Let's Deny Ignorance: Here is Why NASA isn't Hiding the Truth About NEOs

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posted on Nov, 26 2013 @ 07:35 PM
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intrptr
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For a comparison, how many people kept the Manhattan project, Kennedy's Assassination, and Roswell Tip Top?

Anything can be kept secret if the bribe or threat level is high enough.


But the people I am referring to, are from all around the world, not just in the US, like I would assume the ones you are referring to are.

Most are amateurs so they aren't even paid..

Info about NEOs is public as soon as it is reported to the MPC so that others can verify it.




posted on Nov, 26 2013 @ 07:39 PM
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Thankyou for posting this ! its so good too see some logical thinking and not doom stuff on this stuff for once!

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posted on Nov, 26 2013 @ 07:40 PM
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Do you think that China relies on NORAD telemetry for orbital parking?

Russia too?

Sure, NORAD might track, or be attempting to track every free bolt, washer, and astronaut diapers in orbit, but, they don't hold a monopoly on the franchise.

Further, there's nothing preventing any other non-US nation from setting up their own tracking stations and open sourcing the data if it isn't already open-sourced by Russia already considering it's current role in primary lifter capacity for ISS supplies and personnel.

Thus, the whole hush hush secret secret oooo spooky military NORAD card doesn't hold much value as it applies to the subject of keeping secrets from the public in the arena of traffic copping the orbital debris cloud.

If we captured a new moon, or aliens decided to park something sizable (trackable) in orbit, we need not sweat a dependence on NORAD and NORAD alone to tell the planet we have a new moon, or visitors.

As per OP, there's other sources, and dems will do.



posted on Nov, 26 2013 @ 08:08 PM
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Blowback
If it's moving up there NORAD tracks it


This thread is about rocks in space orbiting the sun.

All of your sources are about objects in orbit around the earth.

There's a difference.

Like a lot of people, you incorrectly appear to think that "in space" is all the same.



posted on Nov, 26 2013 @ 08:12 PM
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AliceBleachWhite
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Do you think that China relies on NORAD telemetry for orbital parking?

Russia too?


It may not be their only source,,but yes they share some of that info


AliceBleachWhite

Sure, NORAD might track, or be attempting to track every free bolt, washer, and astronaut diapers in orbit, but, they don't hold a monopoly on the franchise.

Further, there's nothing preventing any other non-US nation from setting up their own tracking stations and open sourcing the data if it isn't already open-sourced by Russia already considering it's current role in primary lifter capacity for ISS supplies and personnel.

you may be right ,,I'm sure Russia & China would tell everyone the second they found something interesting


AliceBleachWhite

Thus, the whole hush hush secret secret oooo spooky military NORAD card doesn't hold much value as it applies to the subject of keeping secrets from the public in the arena of traffic copping the orbital debris cloud.


When the NORAD Card comes into play ,,all arguments are destroyed...New arguments cannot be created until the NORAD Card leaves play ...when the NORAD card leaves play it is removed from the game



AliceBleachWhite
If we captured a new moon, or aliens decided to park something sizable (trackable) in orbit, we need not sweat a dependence on NORAD and NORAD alone to tell the planet we have a new moon, or visitors.


LOL
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posted on Nov, 26 2013 @ 08:23 PM
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Blowback
...NORAD ...
NORAD ... NORAD ...


Completely sidestepping the fact that this thread is about NEO's and not objects in earth's orbit, there is a fact that you've overlooked:

You can step outside into your garden, look up, and see objects in orbit around the earth.
Hobbyists do that. Satellite watchers.

Sure, not every loose nut and bolt or fleck of paint, but thats hardly the hypothetical threat like some supposed doomsday rock or alien spacecraft.
Step outside into your garden, look up, and see.
Not NORAD, or any other boogyman, cannot hide that.



posted on Nov, 26 2013 @ 08:29 PM
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Zanti Misfit
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NASA was Created as a Military Agency , and as in All Military Controled Agencies , Secretcy is a Top Priority . The Public does Not have " A Need To Know " in that sense so it is Reasonable to assume they will Never be Told the Real Truth about Anything . .


NASA also gives contracts to some of the largest defence contractors in the world. And while space, is generally acceptable for public funding, black projects are not. (Hence the secrecy).

Your evidence could also support the idea that NASA simply doubles its contract sizes to pay for projects that are off the books for other divisions of the military, since it's "a military controlled agency".

To clarify, I am not saying that's the case, only that it doesn't prove they are lying about anything.



posted on Nov, 26 2013 @ 08:51 PM
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alfa1

This thread is about rocks in space orbiting the sun.



"Here is Why NASA isn't Hiding the Truth About NEOs"

"near earth objects" wasn't really defined & we agreed NASA wasn't doing most of the work tracking them ,,either in orbit or deep space. ...I never defind comets as "near earth objects" ..most comets are at AU distances.. hardly near earth unless you want too call Mars/Venus & other planets "near earth"


I'm giving proper credit to those who are watching our skies for us.







alfa1

Like a lot of people, you incorrectly appear to think that "in space" is all the same.



I never said that,,anything below 800km could still be considered in the earths atmosphere, the ISS is way below that,, as are most obitting satellites,,,,,



NORAD Card still in play

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posted on Nov, 26 2013 @ 08:57 PM
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NASA is the public face of a very tightly controlled government space program. While people here will tell you NASA is a civilian agency and blah blah blah, the truth is that they are funded through the federal government and that is where their intention and loyalty end up at.

You can't expect a clear answer from NASA anymore than you can expect a clear answer from the NSA, FBI, CIA, ATF, TSA, DHS, FEMA or any other federally controlled entity.

They do not exist to satisfy your curiosity, they exist for one purpose and one purpose only, the continuation of the government that sponsors them. Once you reconcile with that, you begin to understand.



posted on Nov, 26 2013 @ 09:15 PM
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Helious
NASA NASA
NASA


So... you didnt actually bother reading the thread then?

Its already been pointed out in multiple ways how NASA are not the "space police" and nor could they ever be.
If its in the sky, they cant hide it.



posted on Nov, 26 2013 @ 09:20 PM
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alfa1

Helious
NASA NASA
NASA


So... you didnt actually bother reading the thread then?

Its already been pointed out in multiple ways how NASA are not the "space police" and nor could they ever be.
If its in the sky, they cant hide it.


Are you debating yourself? I can't properly compose a response to "NASA NASA NASA". I didn't mention anything other than what NASA actually is and what it's scope is.

I made no claim they were the "space police". I made no other claim than what the agency is in relation to it's residing country, the United States.

Do you contest what I posted?
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posted on Nov, 27 2013 @ 07:22 AM
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Char-Lee
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ut its the public doing the legwork for the discovery, observation and tracking of NEOs... so please explain how NASA could be hiding the truth from the very people that are giving them the info.


There would surely be non disclosure contracts with anyone they work with, NASA would decide when and what is told to whom. That would only make sense as there are military applications and reasons for much of what they do in space.

It would be perfectly easy and even reasonable (considering the character of interactions with all other countries) for NASA to have hidden projects, hidden agendas and hidden information. We are all still in a race of sorts, there are resources and new assets to be had out there and on the planets. Information is power as long as the other guy does not have it.

And how does NASA "control" the flow of information through the Indian, Russian or Chinese space agencies? All of these have their own observations. Surely if NASA was covering up, the Russians and Chinese would highlight the fact with great glee........unless you are going to go down the defensive argument that all these agencies are working together in massive global scientific conspiracy.

The ONLY information that NASA could cover-up is that which no-one else can get. So they could cover-up stuff from the Mars rover. What they can't cover-up is the existance and behaviour of a comet in space that anyone can observe! (which is where darlylln started her voyage of truth).

Disclosure : I'm afraid you don't understand the nature of how disclosure works. You can only hide the truth behind a non-disclosure agreement if you are the originator of the information and have imparted it to others. If the "others" are collecting the information then a non-disclosure agreement is as useful as a chocolate fireguard for protection.

Here's a classic non-discoloure stupidity:

The Thatcher government prevented the UK press from reporting on the whereabouts of ships in the UK fleet during the Falklands conflict so that the Argentinians could not find out. So folks tuned into french TV instead DUH !!!!!!!



posted on Nov, 27 2013 @ 07:38 AM
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intrptr
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For a comparison, how many people kept the Manhattan project, Kennedy's Assassination, and Roswell Tip Top?

Anything can be kept secret if the bribe or threat level is high enough.


You can't be serious naming those examples as proof things could be kept quiet.

The manhattan project had heaps of leaks. There was even a newspaper report stating about a secret town (Los alamos) and how it was developing explosives, was run by Robert Oppenheimer, how much electricity it uses and how much water it uses. To the lay person those might be insignificant things but to the Soviet Union they would have picked up straight away what would have been happening.

Roswell had a newspaper article about it after it happend about a flying saucer that had crashed. So I'd hardy say those were good examples of how things can be kept secret.



posted on Nov, 27 2013 @ 09:58 AM
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looks like we have another Phage here folks!

this is from your Minor Planet link which is supposed to absolve NASA of any repsonsibility for what gets reported and what gets put on a shelf, "The Minor Planet Center derives its operating budget from a five-year NASA grant. "

why are you trying so hard to downplay the potential of NASA? If your backyard astronomers were such a formidable force on the astronomical playing field then why did we buy NASA a Hubble telescope?



posted on Nov, 27 2013 @ 10:08 AM
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Stealthbomber

intrptr
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For a comparison, how many people kept the Manhattan project, Kennedy's Assassination, and Roswell Tip Top?

Anything can be kept secret if the bribe or threat level is high enough.


You can't be serious naming those examples as proof things could be kept quiet.

The manhattan project had heaps of leaks. There was even a newspaper report stating about a secret town (Los alamos) and how it was developing explosives, was run by Robert Oppenheimer, how much electricity it uses and how much water it uses. To the lay person those might be insignificant things but to the Soviet Union they would have picked up straight away what would have been happening.

Roswell had a newspaper article about it after it happend about a flying saucer that had crashed. So I'd hardy say those were good examples of how things can be kept secret.


Exactly... the comparison he gave is like comparing apples to zebras...

The majority of the people collecting the information, do it as a hobby. They are members of astronomy clubs. They have telescopes in their back yards. They do it for the thrill of finding an undiscovered object. They do it to help map objects out there, known, and unknown.

They have no security clearance. They don't work for NASA or the government. They do it, because they are really into it.

There isn't even an attempt to keep that information hidden at all, as it is instantly made public when reported to MPC.



posted on Nov, 27 2013 @ 10:16 AM
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You relize your talking to people who say the moon landing was fake. Worse you are also talking with people who say the moon landing was real and we (who ever we are have bases there)0
But hey lets not pick to hard on the its a mars space gerbile rock people. this place would be borning with them lol.becides maybe it is a mars space gerbil rock )
Ok heres waht I expect to happen well soon. NASA will evential get enough evedence to conclusily say mars has life .Linch moss bactira .Possible some type of water life in underground lakes .Fish or what ever. But no little green guys .Hey who needs more then singial live bactira anyway> It will prove once and for all we are Not unick or alone .
Yea the whole comet being secret depimpact in which they used a nuk to blow it up????
ok people its called scifi for a reasion lol As in not real and lets face it most writers flunked science class.
Cant you see it now NASA picks up 7 miles wide comit headed towards earth (going to be here in lets say a year no question its hitting.
Next day dude with back year telescope calls NASA hey man check out the new comit I just found.
NASA says ooo no thats not a comit your wife made mashed patatoes and some got on your scope ..
OOO man I was so hoping it would be named after me.
People say the goveremnet planed 911 these are teh same people who couldnt keep the stealth off walmarts shelf ???? lOLOLOLOL



posted on Nov, 27 2013 @ 10:28 AM
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looks like we have another Phage here folks!

this is from your Minor Planet link which is supposed to absolve NASA of any repsonsibility for what gets reported and what gets put on a shelf, "The Minor Planet Center derives its operating budget from a five-year NASA grant. "

why are you trying so hard to downplay the potential of NASA? If your backyard astronomers were such a formidable force on the astronomical playing field then why did we buy NASA a Hubble telescope?


About the funding... yes they get their funding from NASA but.... why do you suppose NASA would fund the MPC for something they are supposedly already doing themselves?


The White House and NASA on Tuesday will ask the public for help finding asteroids that potentially could slam into the Earth with catastrophic consequences.


The effort for finding NEOs is collaborative and world wide.

Source



posted on Nov, 27 2013 @ 11:11 AM
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People have a hard time given the core of the main guys are ex nazis.

Then you have the governmental agencies telling nasa what they can do, say and let the public know about.

They have never been 100% credible.



posted on Nov, 27 2013 @ 11:14 AM
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You can't be serious naming those examples as proof things could be kept quiet.

Little leaks, yes. But the American people didn't know squat. Even about the bombs being dropped in Japan.

Until it was "official".

And don't call me serious.



posted on Nov, 27 2013 @ 03:19 PM
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who paid for the HST?



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