Let's Deny Ignorance: The Not So Doom-y Truth About Comet ISON

ShaeTheShaman
reply to post by daryllyn

 

its a electric universe and your science is outdated . you know nothing

Why then.... is the scientific community as a whole not following the electric universe theory if it so correct?

We have been tracking comets for centuries, comets pass through here pretty frequently and..... still no doom. Why is that in your opinion?

reply to post by daryllyn

reject
well, they said the observatory was under the clouds last midnight so they just had some presentation.

I don't know when they'll have the live feed going.

Something interesting I picked up from it is astronomers actually withhold information from the public when they feel it might be too much for them to handle.

The presenter showed a slide where it shows a rather close formation of a row of lights behind comet ison which he swears are just stars but which boffins decided was not for public circulation because "conspiracy boys" might misconstrue it as something else.

I had to laugh because of that.

Anyway, if there's anyone here knowledgeable about constellations, would you please verify if it really was just stars?

reject
reply to post by reject

 

Anyway, here's the picture in question, image 13, that appears around 8:24.

Its not supposed to be for public circulation.

Can anyone knowledgeable about astronomy here on ats say with certainty its just a bunch of stars?

phinubian
The ISON debris field is the issue, the path that earth passes through after ISON's slingshot exit from the sun, no one can even predict, even NASA, the problem that concerns me is that a false flag could be executed to fool some that we are being bombarded by meteorites or debris from this very situation in the aftermath of the comet on it's path leaving the solar system.

daryllyn
We pass through debris fields many times a year.

You are correct.
but,
The size and period of this comet are in question and are being constantly updated , some chunks of a body this large in the path of earth would surpass any debris field in size and scope that we usually pass through and there is a high likelihood that some of them will make it through earths atmosphere completely intact.

phinubian

that there is much disinformation about the comet, but there are actually experts who are not affiliated with 4 or 3 digit government agencies that have a great concern about the debris field which there is a real scenario it might possibly prove to be catastrophic using some models, the other thing is that it has been demonstrated that ISON is having an effect on the SUN in what one might describe as electrical arcing behavior.

I am convinced that it is also having some effect on earth as well

daryllyn

What effect would that be? And don't say solar flares.... we ARE in solar maximum as we speak so flares of all sizes should be expected.

You are right.
but,
The actual size and period of the comet have been constantly updated and put into question, there are observations of much larger CME's that have occurred just within the past year or so, we were only lucky one of which happened to shoot out of the SUN from the opposite side of the earth.


But Darryllyn the real point of my response is how this situation might be exploited, we know the earth has been hit by meteors before that is no doubt, and if any reach earth intact, quite a panic will ensue and it will be the perfect storm for false flag attack.

reply to post by reject


Give me a source that isn't youtube, and I'll gladly have a look.

Peer-reviewed scholarly journals would be preferable.

reply to post by symptomoftheuniverse

but its not just 1 grenade exploding ,its millions,some fragments exploding many many times,increasing velocity of each fragment,increasing the size of the debris cloud.

Actually a fragmenting comet is more like a crumbling dirt clod.

Remember 73P/Schwassmann-Wachmann 3? No?
www.nasa.gov...

ShaeTheShaman
reply to post by daryllyn

 

its a electric universe and your science is outdated . you know nothing

I think this stumps everything you are attempting OP. forget you verifiable numbers and data, you know nothing


With such an intelligent post describing the why s and hows of the universe I think I will call this poster master as they know everything and have shown it all in one post.

daryllyn

MrConspiracy
reply to post by daryllyn

 

Don't remember hearing anyone say it was going to hit us or that it was nibiru.

Unless it was a joke.

Its all over the internet.

-its niburu
-it has a ship following it/is being steered
-its bigger than they are admitting
-its going to cause earthquakes and such on earth
-and some other thing about the pope that I can't remember

If you're talking about any little event that happens there's always someone to attribute it to the end times, i'll give you that.

But in terms of ISON and disinformation... all i've heard is that it's bigger than they are saying. But i haven't really been doing much of my own digging, i've been watching others do it. They seem pretty sound in their thinking though. Do you know ISONs size? Can you tell me? And then tell me what the "official" reports say (i don't dare say NASA)

Anyway... like i said. I think i heard someone say 'ISON has wings... just like Nibiru' that's pretty much the extent. And, as i recall, it was said in jest. It even had a winky face. No face more appropriate for a facetious comment.

There will undoubtedly be more of this... but not as much as your post seems to suggest. It's been pretty cool and well informed over here on ATS over the past couple of months. Regarding ISON anyway.....

daryllyn

ShaeTheShaman
reply to post by daryllyn

 

step away from this site also. smh

Why? Am I ruining your doom?

Yes! Go away! This ain't Fact Central it's Dome zone!

Only joking...I am away to shovel snow in Antarctica.

reply to post by daryllyn


So was ISON

September 21, 2012
C/2012 S1, Discovered

and you trust their math over a year's period? the data of this object is not fully accurate and the time period of the comet has been updated to a difference of hundreds of thousands of years just the last few days, now tell me how much you can really believe about the object if it was not even discovered by NASA if it is to put on this show like we have never witnessed on earth, really there is nothing else to compare.

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reply to post by phinubian

Do you know much about how orbits are calculated?
Do you know much about orbital mechanics? The same orbital mechanics which were used to send two spacecraft from Earth to visit the four gas giants in turn? Do you think that was a simple feat?
en.wikipedia.org...

The orbit of the comet over the next months (and years) is well defined.

Phage
reply to post by symptomoftheuniverse

 

but its not just 1 grenade exploding ,its millions,some fragments exploding many many times,increasing velocity of each fragment,increasing the size of the debris cloud.

Actually a fragmenting comet is more like a crumbling dirt clod.

Remember 73P/Schwassmann-Wachmann 3? No?
www.nasa.gov...

that depends on how the comet breaks up.

reply to post by symptomoftheuniverse

Got any examples of comets which have done anything else? A lot of them fragment.
Got any reason to think one might behave differently if it does fragment?

reply to post by Phage
the link you gave explains the ways comets break up,some explode like champaign corks,due to volatile gas.
And this pristine comet is on its first close encounter with our sun.

reply to post by Phage


Our math is not as good as you may think, if so why did Nasa not know about the object before a year ago, or did they ? go find some updated data on this object, NASA has been changing within the last 3 days the actual period or time of the orbit passing a certain point (a lap in laymens terms)
It has nothing to do with my understanding of celestial mechanics, if you can give me an answer as to why there have been changes in the estimated period of around 100,000 years ?

It sounds like you are hinting that you have a superior understanding, just give me the explanation, but first go and confirm what I just presented and you will find it is true.

reply to post by symptomoftheuniverse

Not a lot of velocity in a champagne cork but it could put an eye out I guess.
The orbits of the fragments vary little from the original orbit. Over time the fragments drift apart, they do not go zooming into radically different orbits.

Phage
reply to post by symptomoftheuniverse

 

Not a lot of velocity in a champagne cork but it could put an eye out I guess.
The orbits of the fragments vary little from the original orbit. Over time the fragments drift apart, they do not go zooming into radically different orbits.

i never said they did.

reply to post by phinubian

Our math is not as good as you may think, if so why did Nasa not know about the object before a year ago, or did they ?

Because it was too small and too far away to see.

NASA has been changing within the last 3 days the actual period or time of the orbit passing a certain point (a lap in laymens terms)
It has nothing to do with my understanding of celestial mechanics, if you can give me an answer as to why there have been changes in the estimated period of around 100,000 years ?

Because a very small difference (on the order of 0.00001) in the eccentricity of the orbit (the ratio between the long and short axes) makes a very great difference in the period of a large orbit. It does not mean that the orbit has changed, it means that with more and more observations the calculations have become more refined. If you had an understanding of orbital mechanics you would know this.

also some of the observed anomolies of the orbit observed from hubble.

What anomalies would that be?

reply to post by daryllyn


Great post on a great subject. I never understood why there is always a rush to "doom and gloom" about every frickin' thing that passes our way in the solar system. Do people just crave attention so badly that they use and even create bad science in order to get a few extra hits on a YouTube video?

Why not enjoy the comet for what it is. I was actually pretty awestruck looking at it and thinking to myself, "I am looking at something billions of years old, that has been bouncing along in space since the beginning of our solar system.....that's pretty humbling when you step back and think about it. Granted the same could be said everytime you look at the stars, but comets seem a little more real-time in their appreciation. The stars don't tend to change much to the casual observer so it's easy to look at the sky as a "backdrop" but seeing a comet move across the field of view....is really something special.

Hopefully ISON survives its close encounter with the sun and emerges on the other side as a really great spectacle to view. The downside to that obviously being the "doom porn" and hoaxes will intensify.

The comet is supposedly calculated to be slinging its way around the Sun within the Roche limit, something like 1.163 million miles away at the closest point.

Doesn't that mean that if it is just being held together by its own gravitational force that it should definitely break up?

If so, wouldn't the much smaller pieces of fragmented body be much more likely to be "sucked into" the sun, and not make it around the other side?

abyss.uoregon.edu...

However, it seems that even this theory / formula is up for speculation / and / or correction, I must admit I have not read this previously:

milesmathis.com...

I suppose my point is that if the original statement I made is correct, and ISON does indeed pass within the Suns Roche limit, then it SHOULD break up unless it is composed differently to what most people say it may be. To this end, doesn't everything else become academic?

EDIT: I do not know about the source, but this seems to explain it better, and by better, in more simple terms for idiots like me:

www.joelgraves.com...