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reply to post by SheopleNation
I'm quite aware of the intelligence and input Phage projects, and the fact that he carefully articulates his contributions based on fact. However, I noticed his frustration last year on many threads concerning Nibiru and Elenin, which he eventually seemed to give up on. I don't think it's a matter of him being afraid to get caught with his foot in his mouth, as he always offers intelligent insight relative to the data and information he has available. Phage doesn't tend to make claims that can't be backed up; given the wealth of information we have at this time regarding ISON, I don't see why he would refrain. I think he sincerely has a lack of interest in expending and wasting his time trying to educate those who are unwilling to listen as he has in the past. I think he should put his knowledge to work on the more complex and confusing topics, as this "ISON" debate is obviously not (other than to those stubborn enough to ignore fact). On the bright side, we have members such as the author of this thread who are quite capable of cleaning up the garbage effectively.
Actually the path it takes if it stays whole is in line with earth just way above it. If it breaks up I really doubt that it would be in 2 pieces. I would think it will be a whole lot of pieces. each pieces will have its own trajectory. Like a snowball that breaks up after you throw it, it doesn't all go in the same place.
One problem I have is that they don't know whether or not it will break up. When calculating trajectory, you need speed and mass. If it breaks up the mass will be different so the trajectory will be different. We can't possibly know if or how it will break up, what size it will break into. Right now the mass is such that it will have an orbital arc that carries it away. Reduce the mass and the arc gets tighter bringing it closer and changing speeds. We will find out when it emerges on the other side.
But the orbital plane of the comet is different from earths so it won't matter. Your thinking is two dimensional like Kahn in Star Trek you need to think 3D like Kirk.
reply to post by Signals
I'm sorry, but that's not quite true.
We might not be able to predict exactly how many pieces might form, but we can certainly can tell if they will change orbit or not:
By knowing the comet's mass, and it's velocity, we know how much energy it has.
In order for ANY piece of the comet, no mater it's size in mass, to change orbits, it MUST OVERCOME that energy already there.
And considering the velocity it has right now, the theoretic explosion would need to be on the order of many hundreds of megatons.
Any one (even with out a computer) can sit down and compute how much energy would be released if the entire comet was made up of something that could explode, and figure out how much energy that would impart.
Using the above formula, anyone, with nothing more than pencil and paper, and figure out the amount of energy the comet already has.
And unless your theoretic explosion can exceed the comet's mass times it's velocity (huge right now) squared, divided by 2, the pieces are not going to go anywhere too far from the orbital path it is on.edit on 26-11-2013 by eriktheawful because: (no reason given)
On any given evening, amateur astronomers are sweeping the skies using telescopes mounted in backyard observatories that are the envy of many major universities.
I cant believe how many people trust NASA, and actually believe we'd be warned if a comet was heading our way.
I put my hopes in some of the 'amateur' astronomers out there, i guess a few are honest.
This is just like what happens with scientists and global warming, they hide the truth from us.
DONT TRUST THEM!
Our Government which controls NASA has and would never lie to us. False
If a Space Object was endangering our planet our Government would tell us right away. False
There has been a noticeable lack of photographs of Ison from NASA. True
Professionals cannot agree what passing through this tail debris will do to our atmosphere predicting everything from
meteor showers to green effervescent clouds. True
Nasa has yet to outline the supposed size of the comet nucleus with actual photographs or pictorial reference giving only numbers that have changed over the course of months. True
NASA has given no information on how this comet will affect our sun if it explodes next to the sun or if it indeed dives into the sun. True
reply to post by operation mindcrime
I hope you are right and they keep all these images coming.
Lets hope they don't spend too much time in the editing room.
reply to post by daryllyn
Well Miss Daryllyn, I wasn't worried about it before, and I'm certainly not worried about it now.
Thank you for your common sense approach, I hope it helps relieve at least someone's 'doom and gloom'!