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posted on Nov, 18 2004 @ 01:35 AM
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Microwave weapon to be deployed in Iraq soon, or already deployed.

From: BBC: US working on lightning weapon

The US Air Force is working on developing a man-made bolt of lightning powerful enough to fry sophisticated computer and electronic components in weapons. Researchers are looking at ways of putting so-called High-Powered Microwave (HPM) beams on aircraft and cruise missiles.

But whereas a typical microwave generates less than 1,500 watts of power, the Air Force researchers are working with equipment that can generate millions of watts of power.

An HPM weapon would unleash a powerful electrical pulse that would burn up any electrical equipment, such as computers and communications systems.

This weapon has been mentioned on various websites, but Ive seen different data and different info. Obvious with a secret project with misinfo and such. My current (up-to-date?) norwegian source suggest a different variation of this weapon to be deployed in Iraq next year. Does anybody have any reliable updated info on this type of weapons?




posted on Nov, 18 2004 @ 01:41 AM
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Are these the same as EM's?

I remember reading an article on How stuff works, talking about electromagnetic weapons, that can knock out all electronic machinery in its radius.

Surf



posted on Nov, 18 2004 @ 04:09 AM
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Nope, microwave weapons are not the same as Electromagnetic.
Electromagnetic waves can shortcircuit any electrical component in a rather big area, just by blowing up a car-battery in the close vicinity of a trafo-station.

Microwaveweapons are basically big antennas whic is powered by electricity. They fry humans like sausages in the our familiar kitchenappliance. If you see a military vehicle with a big satelitedish on it, don't stand infront of it. It might not be anything else than communicationequipment, but they will toast your cojones fast.
The same principle is easily converted into a weapon. -Just point it downwards, infront of you.


I have tryed to heat my sausages. (not my private parts!) -It works well. -Takes alot of power, though.



posted on Nov, 18 2004 @ 04:24 AM
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Originally posted by Ulvetann
They fry humans like sausages


Yes, that was a good description. We all know what a 1500 watt microwave-oven will do to a puddle. Guess what millions of watts could do...Even if they claim "don`t worry, it`s not dangerous", I don`t believe them...



posted on Nov, 18 2004 @ 05:27 AM
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what kind of power source could produce this kind of power for a weapon tho? wouldnt the need of sucha massive source of power to power these weapons make it impossible to fit them to existing aircraft? After all if you have a microwave weapon which produces millions of watts of power.....wouldnt you need a power source that provides this power? How would they do this unless they fit a small reactor to the aircraft??? Im sure the existing power supplies onboard B-52, AC-10 and the like cannot currently support this?


XL5

posted on Nov, 18 2004 @ 05:37 AM
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Maybe they mean pulsed power (less the a second). Then capacitors can store that much power if its pulsed fast enough (like lead acid battery amp/hour capacity).



posted on Nov, 18 2004 @ 05:37 AM
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The system is called Active Denial System.

It uses microwavefrequencies at 95 gigahertz.
The microwaveantenna is octagonal, and goes through clothing. 0,5mm into the skin. You feel alot of pain and flee the area.
It will lead to damage on eyes and the ability to have children afterwards.


(ref: Bender in Futurama, where he uses the x-raygun... )



posted on Nov, 18 2004 @ 05:43 AM
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Originally posted by XL5
Maybe they mean pulsed power (less the a second). Then capacitors can store that much power if its pulsed fast enough (like lead acid battery amp/hour capacity).


Sounds likely, yes.
When we allow humankind to invent cold fusion, You will be able to unmount these guns into handheld devices...



posted on Nov, 18 2004 @ 08:24 AM
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Poor Ayatollah, can only read Persian, a dead language for all intent and purpose. Are you attempting to convince me that micro waves are not electro magnetic
Good freak'in luck

BEAR



posted on Nov, 18 2004 @ 08:37 AM
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[edit on 18-11-2004 by valkeryie]



posted on Nov, 18 2004 @ 07:43 PM
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From: ACTIVE DENIAL TECHNOLOGY

Humans and animals are being used in the test program. All testing is being conducted with strict observance of the procedures, laws and regulations governing animal and human experimentation. The tests have been reviewed and approved by a formal Institutional Review Board with oversight from the Air Force Surgeon Generals Office. The testing is being conducted by the Air Force Research Laboratorys Human Effectiveness Directorate.

Military and civilian employees have volunteered for these tests. Prior to participating in the program, all volunteers are fully informed of the purpose and nature of the tests and of any reasonably foreseeable risks or discomforts expected from the research.

Future versions might also be used onboard planes and ships. The vehicle-mounted version will be designed to be packaged on a vehicle such as a High Mobility Multi-purpose Wheeled Vehicle (HMMWV, more commonly referred to as a Humvee).


Originally posted by Ulvetann
The system is called Active Denial System.

You were right, Ayatollah (Ulvetann). It could be called ADS (Active Denial System). The archived document (above) is from March 2001. Do you have any more info? What was that with the hand-held versions...? They cant be that powerful, can they?

[edit on 2004/11/18 by Hellmutt]



posted on Nov, 18 2004 @ 08:42 PM
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This article seems a little more uptodate...


From: DefenseLINK

Jan. 22, 2004

The global war against terrorism, Shaffer pointed out, has highlighted the changing face of conflict in the new century. For example, he continued, U.S. forces in Afghanistan and Iraq often find themselves trying to distinguish insurgents from "friendly" civilians.

"So, if a hostile crowd is moving toward you, you use the active-denial system (and) they will stop coming," Shaffer explained, noting researchers "have yet to find anybody" who will continue to move forward against the system.

"You get hit with the high-powered microwave and you run away," he asserted.


[edit on 2004/11/18 by Hellmutt]



posted on Nov, 18 2004 @ 09:54 PM
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XL5 was right. HPM is pulsed, like a millisecond IIRC. These things are interesting, I am going to work on a hand and backpack mounted 1 KW microwave gun. Too bad I won't get around to it in a while, I have too many projects.



posted on Nov, 19 2004 @ 02:21 AM
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Originally posted by Polar Bear
Poor Ayatollah, can only read Persian, a dead language for all intent and purpose. Are you attempting to convince me that micro waves are not electro magnetic
Good freak'in luck

BEAR


Where shall I start...
I tried to explain fast, short and plain that this microwave-weapon is most likely not defined as a EM-weapon. EM are meant as means of destroying electronical equipment. Not neccesarily weapons in the means of destroying the personell behind it.
Microwaves uses energi too, yes. But is intended to disable the personell, not the equipment. These days, developing these kinds of ADS-weapons are alot more popular...

And never ever heard about EM weapons, with all those fancy links? Well, here is another for your collection:
www.airpower.maxwell.af.mil...

Btw, the polarbears is a dying race...


Edited in a link.

[edit on 19-11-2004 by Ulvetann]


XL5

posted on Nov, 19 2004 @ 03:31 AM
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Put a cheap walkman in the microwave. High power microwaves will damage all unshielded electronics.



posted on Nov, 19 2004 @ 03:59 AM
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Originally posted by XL5
Put a cheap walkman in the microwave. High power microwaves will damage all unshielded electronics.


Yes, yes. I stand corrected.
Point taken.
I still just tried to make people phatom the idea of different "labels" on different weapons. Like a bomb is a area effect weapon. and a gun (rifle, pistol, etc.) is a rather Line-of-Sight or "what you aim at, you hit", or what you want to call it. -If You snipe someones balls with a rifle it is not considered a area-effect-weapon, eventhough there is not much left after a 12,7mm multipurpose bullet.



posted on Nov, 19 2004 @ 06:04 AM
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I should take a patent on this:
To develop and sell lead-underwear, protecting your cojones.

and another thought:
With a 4GHz 20KW EMP-cannon, you can shoot down satelites!


Anyone got a nuclear powerplant for sale? Any iranians out there? How about you swedes, you don't need barsebck anylonger, do you?



posted on Nov, 19 2004 @ 06:42 AM
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Originally posted by Ulvetann

Btw, the polarbears is a dying race...


Edited in a link.

[edit on 19-11-2004 by Ulvetann]


Yes indeed another ten years and we may be extinct, thanks for pointing that out
and thanks also for the link I have not had the opportunity to read it but I will

Take care,
Polar Bear



posted on Nov, 19 2004 @ 03:50 PM
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Hey..., my Microwave-Weapons thread turned into a discussion about who will extinct first, The Ayatollahs or the Polarbears. Who could possibly have seen that coming?
Nothing should surprise me on ATS anymore... But Im actually surprised nobody have yet turned this thread into a discussion about Bush... or the Chinese...



Anyone here with some "inside information" regarding these microwave-things? I dont expect to find reliable info by google. Or maybe that kind of information belongs in RATS, if here at all?
Ive heard and seen many reports of lots of humvees being destroyed in Iraq, but it might have no relation to this at all...



EDIT: cant spell... (and credits to Pisky for that smiley)

[edit on 2004/11/19 by Hellmutt]




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