Hidden Source Code in Obamacare States That You have no Right to Privacy Whatsoever.

I could not find this when doing a search of the forums.

The following is a video in which Mr. Barton, a member of the House of Representatives, exposes the fact that there is a secret section in Obamacare, among many others, that will no be available for reading for applicants of the Obamacare law. This secret source code states that YOU, and I, "have no reasonable expectation of privacy regarding any communication nor data transiting nor stored on this information system".

Here is the video.



www.youtube.com...

The video appears to have been removed. (Or maybe the link wasn't correct.) If removed maybe there's a conspiracy of silence.

This might be it....

youtube

"HIDDEN SOURCE CODE IN OBAMACARE STRIPPING YOU OF ALL PRIVACY "

reply to post by toidiem


It's there now.

Great find. I can already see how this will be spun on the tilt-a-whirl of malfeasance and rhetoric, though.

These buttholes better hope they are never held accountable in an impartial court.

What astounds me is that despite this, there will still be people who'll say: "So what?"

-Peace-

(P.S.: Do you think that woman in the clip got to keep her job?)

What do they mean by source code. Most programmers here have a certain idea of what the computer world calls source code but do politicians mean the same.

It sounds like it was meant to be output and displayed during sign up but who knows what it really is. The info he had displayed was to blurred to see what the heck it was.

Was it data to be output, some programmer's comment, or what? Anyone found a sample of what was being shown?

Are we talking about the users agreement? You know this biggest lie on the internet, the one your read and agreed? More or less like the ats TAC lol.

Or we talking about the HTML/CSS/PHP markup? If so something written in the html code has no juristic power.

Boiler plate text to be output as a user agreement, IMO, wouldn't be source code. More like data. But I suppose a politician would think so. I suspect anything in the system is being called source code.

ElectricUniverse
I could not find this when doing a search of the forums.

The following is a video in which Mr. Barton, a member of the House of Representatives, exposes the fact that there is a secret section in Obamacare, among many others, that will no be available for reading for applicants of the Obamacare law. This secret source code states that YOU, and I, "have no reasonable expectation of privacy regarding any communication nor data transiting nor stored on this information system".

Here is the video.

edit on 26-11-2013 by ElectricUniverse because: (no reason given)

What?

"A secret section"

What this video is referring to is a single line of _javascript code in registration.js. How does that correspond to a "secret section?" Here's the actual code:

resources['ffe.ee.myAccount.logInTerms.description6'] = 'Any communication or data transiting or stored on this information system may be disclosed or used for any lawful Government purpose.';
resources['ffe.ee.myAccount.logInTerms.description5'] = 'At any time, and for any lawful Government purpose, the government may monitor, intercept, and search and seize any communication or data transiting or stored on this information system.';
resources['ffe.ee.myAccount.logInTerms.description4'] = 'You have no reasonable expectation of privacy regarding any communication or data transiting or stored on this information system.';
resources['ffe.ee.myAccount.logInTerms.description3'] = 'To continue, you must accept the terms and conditions. If you decline, your login will automatically be cancelled.';
resources['ffe.ee.myAccount.logInTerms.description2'] = 'remains accurate and available to you and all other visitors, we monitor network traffic to identify unauthorized attempts to upload or change information or otherwise cause damage to the web service. Use of this system constitutes consent to such monitoring and auditing. Unauthorized attempts to upload information and/or change information on this web site are strictly prohibited and are subject to prosecution under the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act of 1986 and Title 18 U.S.C. Sec.1001 and 1030.';
resources['ffe.ee.myAccount.logInTerms.description1'] = 'So that';

This is actually a statement regarding privacy that would be displayed to a user in a _javascript modal or something as part of the T&C, with some accept/decline buttons. I don't know if it was actually ever used in production, I'm guessing not.

If you're curious, the next two lines would read:

"At any time, and for any lawful Government purpose, the government may monitor, intercept, and search and seize any communication or data transiting or stored on this information system. Any communication or data transiting or stored on this information system may be disclosed or used for any lawful Government purpose"

There's nothing secret about it and the statement was actually removed/changed a month ago--not that's it's even particularly nefarious, poorly worded *maybe*.

Double Post then...

reply to post by theantediluvian


But if your signing up for health care, and have to input all your health... and if people in government (or anyone else) can access your health needs and status and associate all of it with you, then it is NOT HIPPA compliant...

Hippa states:

Protected Health Information. The Privacy Rule protects all "individually identifiable health information" held or transmitted by a covered entity or its business associate, in any form or media, whether electronic, paper, or oral. The Privacy Rule calls this information "protected health information (PHI)."12

“Individually identifiable health information” is information, including demographic data, that relates to:

the individual’s past, present or future physical or mental health or condition,
the provision of health care to the individual, or
the past, present, or future payment for the provision of health care to the individual,

and that identifies the individual or for which there is a reasonable basis to believe it can be used to identify the individual.13 Individually identifiable health information includes many common identifiers (e.g., name, address, birth date, Social Security Number).

The Privacy Rule excludes from protected health information employment records that a covered entity maintains in its capacity as an employer and education and certain other records subject to, or defined in, the Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act, 20 U.S.C. §1232g.

source for HIPPA rules : www.hhs.gov...

reply to post by OpinionatedB


As stated, I don't think this was ever used in production. Otherwise, anyone who tried to sign up would have seen it and Mr. Barton wouldn't have presented a screenshot of that instead.

reply to post by theantediluvian


Can we get any confirmation of that though? That is was never used? Like... actual proof?

That lady didn't deny it...

reply to post by xuenchen


Thanks for linking it directly. I don't know why but the link I gave isn't working when trying to imbed it, but I gave a link to the youtube page where the video can be viewed. Thank you again.

theantediluvian

What?

"A secret section"

What this video is referring to is a single line of _javascript code in registration.js. How does that correspond to a "secret section?" Here's the actual code:
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Because when people sign for the new healthcare plans, because of Obamacare, this section is not available for them to read, that's why...

There's more about this whole thing....

Read the 'privacy statements' very carefully and proceed with *extreme* caution !!!

Surprise !!!!!!

This one is apparently from the Maryland site;

Should you decide to apply for health coverage through Maryland Health Connection, the information you supply in your application will be used to determine whether you are eligible for health and dental coverage offered through Maryland Health Connection and for insurance affordability programs. It also may be used to assist you in making a payment for the insurance plan you select, and for related automated reminders or other activities permitted by law. We will preserve the privacy of personal records and protect confidential or privileged information in full accordance with federal and State law. We will not sell your information to others. Any information that you provide to us in your application will be used only to carry out the functions of Maryland Health Connection. The only exception to this policy is that we may share information provided in your application with the appropriate authorities for law enforcement and audit activities.



The site does not specify if "appropriate authorities" refers only to state authorities or if it could include the federal government, as well. Neither is there any detail on what type of law enforcement and/or audit activities would justify the release of the personal information, or who exactly is authorized to make such a determination. An email to the Maryland Health Connection's media contact seeking clarification has not yet been answered

The second privacy term that may prompt caution by users relates to email communications. The policy reads:



If you send us an e-mail, we use the information you send us to respond to your inquiry. E-mail correspondence may become a public record. As a public record, your correspondence could be disclosed to other parties upon their request in accordance with Maryland’s Public Information Act.

Obamacare Marketplace: Personal Data Can Be Used For ‘Law Enforcement and Audit Activities’
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related thread (Oct 8)

Here is some more info.

evealed: Obamacare subscribers have 'no reasonable expectation of privacy' and their details will be shared with 2,000 employees
Verbal sparring erupted over whether Obamacare website vendors violated medical privacy laws by collecting personal information from applicants
One Democrat on the panel insisted that since no medical histories were required to apply, there was no violation of the 'HIPPA' law
The HHS Department's own website declares that every American's 'name, address, birth date, Social Security Number' must be protected
A company chief testified that 2,000 of his employees have access to such information submitted with Obamacare insurance applications
Hidden text in the 'source code' of the Obamacare website says users are waiving their privacy rights, and that their personal data 'may be disclosed or used for any lawful Government purpose'
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Two members of Congress got into a shouting match Thursday over whether the error-plagued Obamacare Americans give up their privacy rights when they apply for health insurance through the federal government.

Rep. Frank Pallone of New Jersey unleashed a round of verbal Kung-Fu during a House hearing after Reps. Joe Barton of Texas and Marsha Blackburn of Tennessee accused software contractors of violating the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, known as HIPPA, by collecting Americans' personal information from Healthcare.gov.

And one company official testified to the House Energy and Commerce Committee that 2,000 employees have access to the information Americans give the Obamacare website when they apply for insurance.
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Democrats on the panel claimed that since the text was buried in a part of the website's code that consumers can't see, it was meaningless.

But Cheryl Campbell, senior vice president of CGI Federal, the main contractor for Healthcare.gov, testified that 'yes,' she was aware it was part of the website, and that the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, CMS, made the decision to keep it hidden.
...

www.dailymail.co.uk... alls-House-hearing-monkey-court.html

Let's read that last part again.

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But Cheryl Campbell, senior vice president of CGI Federal, the main contractor for Healthcare.gov, testified that 'yes,' she was aware it was part of the website, and that the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, CMS, made the decision to keep it hidden.
...

What does HIDDEN mean?... But I guess they are not trying to keep that a secret huh?...

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


If you are running Mozilla Firefox (I don't know how to do this in Enternet Explorer, Chrome, Opera, or Safari...I don't use them) you already have access to the website's code.

Just go to www.healthcare.gov, right-click anywhere on the page and select "View Page Source." That will bring up a window that contains all of the code.

Anything in green is a comment strictly used for developers. If there are any "hidden, nefarious notes", that's what you would want to look for.

The only thing we wouldn't see are linked files. They could have _javascript or CSS files that they link to. Eh.

But, nothing in source code would be legally binding.

The only thing we wouldn't see are linked files. They could have __javascript or CSS files that they link to.

Just open the link referenced in the HTML in your browser and you can read the JS code.