Yes folks, you read that right. This week, the negotiations being reported on for US Status of Forces in Afghanistan beyond 2014 have been ongoing.
Far from any intention of leaving by 2014, the discussion of how many would be left and how long, were starting as early as February of this year.
Here is where things stand as of now...and again, you really did read that right. They are threatening to PULL OUT. As if this is a BAD THING they
hadn't directly promised OUR nation, they would do.
Amid signs that patience for the process may be faltering in Washington, officials say that US national security adviser Susan Rice warned
Karzai, the Afghan president, that his latest proposal to delay signing the deal until next year would jeopardise their plan to keep a security
presence in the country after the bulk of US troops pull out.
"Ambassador Rice reiterated that, without a prompt signature, the US would have no choice but to initiate planning for a post-2014 future in which
there would be no US or Nato troop presence in Afghanistan," said a White House spokesman.
Well, golly... Someone correct me, but that future is precisely what we were told WOULD be the case if we re-elected Obama and Biden. It was that evil
Romney, we were told, who had no intention of ending the war and merely reducing numbers, if anything.
(Truth be told, I doubt either of them would have ended it...but only one side demanded they would..and lied so badly, it's staggering to
There IS a purpose to all this, it seems.
However, if the US does not strike a deal in Afghanistan after 2014, they have no staging ground to launch drone strikes into Pakistan, or
would have to negotiate one with one off the former Soviet republics, giving a wider strategic importance to the clash with Karzai. Karzai's
spokesman has said that he does not believe the "zero option" is a real
I took the liberty of pulling up some background information from DEEP in the past. Just over a year ago, in fact. Ancient History by modern
standards..but still, important for this. First, the man saying it with his own voice.
and then, I took a bit of time to pull the full transcipt of the 2012 VP debate in question. You see, his ABSOLUTE statements of withdrawl hit me so
strong at the time for outright lies to our face, I made a point of remembering it.....for I KNEW this day would come and not too far into the future,
too. I'm sorry I was proven right...and very sorry for the people still fighting and dying over there for years to come.
And, in fact, in the meantime, what we said we would do, we would help train the Afghan military. It's their responsibility to take over their
own security. That's why with 49 of our allies in Afghanistan, we've agreed on a gradual drawdown so we're out of there by the year 20 -- in the
But we are leaving. We are leaving in 2014. Period. And in the process, we're going to be saving over the next 10 years another $800 billion.
We've been in this war for over a decade. The primary objective is almost completed. Now, all we're doing is putting the Kabul government in a
position to be able to maintain their own security.
RYAN: We do agree -- we do agree with the timeline and the transition, but what we -- what any administration will do in 2013 is assess the
situation to see how best to complete this timeline. What we do not want to do...
BIDEN: We will leave in 2014.
Reference #4 (and what is heard on the Video in part)
BIDEN: Forty-nine of our allies -- hear me -- 49 of our allies signed on to this position.
RYAN: And we're reading that they want to...
BIDEN: Forty-nine -- 49 of our allies said "out in 2014." It's the responsibility of the Afghans. We have other responsibilities... (CROSSTALK)
RADDATZ: Do you really think that this timeline...
What the transcript didn't catch for "crosstalk" was what the video did clearly record and that was Biden making clear the 49 allies signing on was
to the position of leaving in 2014.
So... When people ask me why I don't believe a single word either Biden or Obama say on ANYTHING? This, and many examples like it, are precisely why.
I have family in the Armed Forces and one who may well still have rotations to pull in and out of that hell hole.
No more.. We were promised..absolutely promised...a withdrawal in 2014. Even THAT is too late and beyond what this President was elected to accomplish
in 2008. Now, far from seeing a withdrawal, the White House THREATENS against others...what they PROMISED US...as if it's a punishment to KEEP THEIR
Imagine..if they ever intended to end these wars. They'd have BEEN over a long time ago. More loss, more cost and more death. That's all we seem to
have for the years to come. More of the same, with fewer in place to do it. The worst of all worlds.
'Threatening' to do something that they promised to do anyways. YIKES
It's never ending with these guys, is it? Just when you think they've reached
the heights of stupidity and they have nothing left in their bag of tricks ...
they reach in and surprise us with something else. WOW.
ETA .. the 'stupidity' isn't the pulling out .. we should have done that long ago.
The 'stupidity' is the 'THREAT' thing ...
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Seeing the change in economics and how the US is in decline and China is on the rise maybe the plan is to have the Pashtuns bearing another nation
like so many that have gone before....I have some serious admiration for those people . I wished the tribes of Turtle Island had been so determined to
reject these Euro/Satanic buggers from the beginning .We may well have been far advanced in so many ways and still be able to drink water from our
streams and rivers . But yea the Us is falling and by the looks of it they wont support the whore that has been riding the beast by closing their
embassy at the Vatican as well . Interesting times to be sure
I see they are threatening Karzai with withdrawal, however I seen the title and laughed out loud, who are they threatening this with when a majority
of the real world I assume don't want the US being police everywhere they feel the need to be governed correctly
More than 50% of Americans don't want their troops there I believe so it was amusing to read the title from a conspiracy nuts point of view without
knowing they were threatening Afgan with withdrawal.
Unfortunately, I think you're right on that. We are there for the long term or until we're militarily stomped. That is something, sadly, I expect to
see happen too.
The Russians learned in blood, the Afghanis and Arab fighters can and will mass for coordinated overrunning of a base facility and they got fairly
good at it too. The Russians, of all people, did NOT lose positions without one hell of a fight. They still lost. We've had something they didn't.
We've had the almost God-Like advantage of high air cover backed by whatever ground support was needed, on call, 24/7 if the need was urgent
If we drop from nearly 50,000 men to around 8,000 men? Well, we aren't a major military power in that nation anymore...but we ARE still in the middle
of a very active war zone where the enemy absolutely does still see us as the ones to kill at any cost.
We're insuring defeat in a spectacular way...and perhaps by the only method that CAN happen to our troops, short of a MAJOR world power fighting to
that outcome. We're undercutting them, while still leaving their butts swinging in the breeze and without any other support to call on.
This won't end well, I fear ..and Saigon may look quaint and orderly by comparison, IMO.
I think there are some misconceptions here. The troops are still coming home. What is being negotiated is for a small contingency group to stay on
and complete the training mission so that Afghanistan can protect itself.
We are talking around five thousand troops. Part of this group will SF with CIA attached. They will be there to take targets as they present,
they will also have drone and air support.
If you talk to the veterans most will tell you this is what they want, to finish the job and not let their brothers bloodshed to be in vain.
Despite the objections of the many we need this small presence hear. It is really more to keep watch on the tribal area of Pakistan which is a
It has been the most difficult mission for military trainers ever lol. The Afghanistan conscripts are peasants and goat herders. They can not read
or write for the most part. You have to teach them to do everything, including read and write. Lol.
Many up and leave to go tend their goats etc. If we leave without them being able to defend and protect themselves we will have to go back anyway.
As much as we may not like it we need strategic presence.
Let's not forget the DEA is also involved in Afghan. If the military pulls out, there will still be the alphabet and mercenaries that will stay
behind to do whatever they do over there.
About a year ago I had a talk with a Colonel who was about to deploy over there. He said the strategy was to go after the Taliban's and the
'terrorists' money. So when they find someone over there with any kind of money they kill them and take their money. This happens yet we still are
paying the Taliban to not attack convoys.
It is a mess over there and it appears there is no clear strategy.
Actually, it's considerably more than that. This is from Voice of America news, which is basically to the U.S. what RT is to Russia.
The security agreement spells out terms under which an estimated 10,000 U.S. troops would remain in Afghanistan to assist the government in its
war against Taliban insurgents. It also involves billions of dollars worth of assistance to the Afghan security forces and Afghanistan's fledgling
The reports from Central Command statements since Feb of 2013 have indicated the force there will assist in targeted counterinsurgency operations as
well as aid and security to training and support services for the Kabul Government.
The stories out today add the aspect about jump bases for drone operations into Pakistan, but that's certainly another area being highlighted as a
capability lost if Karzai doesn't come onboard to extend the US troop presence.
My attitude on this is simple. We should have spiked equipment in place, blown our facilities in full and bugged out of that country with all possible
speed as soon as the political decision was made to give up on any form of 'victory' or favorable outcome. This is Vietnam with sand in terms of open
ended nonsense for shifting reasons and no clear exit plan..even now.
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I think you are hitting the paroveriabel nail on the head .I guess history is correct in that Afghanistan has buried all other Nations up to now
.Maybe its time that the Dragon take them on ...There seems to be a really big shift moving and we can only guess what direction it will come from but
China is my guess ...
Gee....I just wonder who owns all those little mines???? Rhetorical. But yeah, the opium is why we're there. Big pharma isn't gonna allow the US to
pull any troops from there. We shouldn't have any troops anywhere but home. This war mongering has to stop.
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