The report on Sandy Hook has just been released by the state's attorney's office.

reply to post by ArchAngel_X


"spontaneous act" does not include this because he scouted out the school the day before. And he posted all kinds of crazy things under molly trolly or trolly molly I forget which one and the spelling was ie instead of y possibly. But spontaneous is out of the question. It was planned. For the name he was posting under check the original shooting thread. I know I posted about the youtube video and the gore postings that got him banned from several websites. I think I even questioned if it was from him or a idiot posting crap on the internet?

I find it difficult to accept that there is no mention of how the "bus driver" that supposedly transported the kids to *snip* house got there or that there is no mention about that particularly troubling part of the narrative.

I also find the fact that the person who was reported to be an armed tactical officer from a neighboring town is now just "new reporters" that were chased down in the woods. Who were the reporters? How did they come to be there, what did they record before running from police? Why would anyone run from police in this instance and have to be chased down and proned out?

Strange issues indeed.

A few questions that were asked during the aftermath but not answered in this report:

* It was known that not all staff memnbers who were shot were killed. It was known that *snip* was injured, and it was also known that another staff member was injured. At the time, that second staff member was not named.
That was seen as unusual at the time because *every* person place and thing was covered by the media from all sides, with all sorts of outlets naming everyone who had any remotely weak involvment in the matter. But not this staff member. Nameless.
And still remains nameless. The only one.

* The gun in the trunk. All sorts of questions were asked about that. Video was seen of the opening of the trunk that evening, with removal of the gun. But it had been named earlier. How did they know? Questions were asked about tampering with the evidence related to the car, the sweatshirts, and the gun.
Turn out yes, they moved stuff around.

* The "man in the woods". Now known in the report as a "man from New York".
Questions about his involvement are dismissed, but not really addressed.

* The timeline.
There is a shooter in the school, so why didnt they go into the school?
Way back when, questions were asked about why they wasted so much time hanging about outside, and playing around out the back of the school. This is still not addressed.
The report says:
9:39:00 - First Newtown police officer arrives behind SHES on Crestwood Rd.
...
9:44:47 - Newtown officers enter SHES.
Nearly six minutes. Lanza killed himself during that time, but of course the police dont know that.

*Why did Lanza stop shooting?
It was originally said that he stopped because his gun jammed. So then he killed himself.
But the report says the gun was fine, loaded, shells in the magazine, and the safety was not on.
So why did he stop? The "assasinated by the second gunman" conspiracy theorists will love that evidence.

The report doesnt say why the initial reports named Lanza's brother as the guilty man.
The report also fails to mention the red or maroon van, the nuns with ski masks and the connection with The St. Rose of Lima Catholic Church. There is a section in the report that deals with "leads" that turned out to be nothing, but the ones I just listed, widely discussed at the time, are not mentioned at all.

reply to post by Helious


There will all ways be holes in this case because of the uncle being mixed up with the weapon used. And he is a cop from a neighboring state. He was the family member who brought guns into the family as a way to learn responsibility and so on. Well that idea went out the window with what happened.

JBA2848
reply to post by Helious

 

There will all ways be holes in this case because of the uncle being mixed up with the weapon used. And he is a cop from a neighboring state. He was the family member who brought guns into the family as a way to learn responsibility and so on. Well that idea went out the window with what happened.

The problem is this specifically. What was reported to be an armed tactical officer from a neighboring town that was chased down, handcuffed and has been confirmed to be sitting in the front seat of a police cruiser is now being labeled as nothing more than news reporters.

Who are those news reporters? How did they happen on the scene so quickly since it is stated in the same report that authorities responded within 5 minutes of the first 911 call. How did one person in clothes reported to match loosely with what lanza was wearing, reported to be armed, was chased down, actively running from law enforcement on the scene turn into un-named new reporter(S!). How?

It's fine to release an official narrative, it becomes problematic and troubling when it doesn't address any of the real questions that have been asked.

Don't get me wrong, I believe there was a shooter at Sandy Hook, I believe kids died, I believe Adam Lanza died, what I have a hard time believing after that is who did it, how many and why. Lots of evidence has been presented in this report, what is lacking is the information that has been missing since this all started, the information that has been asked for, the information that is needed to believe this action was taken by a lone 20 year old 112 pound gunman with aspergers.

Snarl
reply to post by TheMainEvent

 

Me too. I read the report. There are 44 pages that scream "case closed." and leave me feeling somewhat manipulated.

It answered one question (do not ask) that was left open in my mind ... and I respect the report for that. If that information had been omitted I would be on this thread like white on rice. Now I feel like the wind has been taken out of my sail.

I think I know the question you're referring to: How many consecutive hours would Lanza play Dance Dance Revolution? (Thanks to the CT State's Attorney's report for revealing the answer to that question is four to ten hours)


;-)

reply to post by Helious


The maintenance man was one of the people they chased down supposedly. They seen him leaving the school as the shots were being fired. He said he was running because of shots being fired. Which I could understand the mix up.

alfa1
*Why did Lanza stop shooting?
It was originally said that he stopped because his gun jammed. So then he killed himself.
But the report says the gun was fine, loaded, shells in the magazine, and the safety was not on.
So why did he stop? The "assasinated by the second gunman" conspiracy theorists will love that evidence.

That's always been a question in my mind ... Why DID he stop?

I would say the condition of the Glock 20 (being found jammed) is consistent with a suicide.

One thing I do see from the pictures of his room. He was a child who was not showered with gifts. The mother had a lot of money and would wine and dine neighbors but not her kid? And the computer being taken apart. What do you expect it is a HP. I decided to build my own after the third one blew up. But looking at the room it is out of the 80's/ TV with VCR tapes. Old furniture. Taped up windows. The only thing that looks new is the computer desk and chair and the firearms used. And this from a kid in the Newtown Technology Club?

hotnewsinternational.com...

I wonder how over extended the mother was trying to keep a large house she could not afford? It could be sign of trying to keep a family together whats left off it by keeping the home. But going completely broke and driving the family apart at the same time.

And how about that book train your brain to be happy? That must be the mothers room where she was shot in the bed.

Snarl

alfa1
*Why did Lanza stop shooting?
It was originally said that he stopped because his gun jammed. So then he killed himself.
But the report says the gun was fine, loaded, shells in the magazine, and the safety was not on.
So why did he stop? The "assasinated by the second gunman" conspiracy theorists will love that evidence.

That's always been a question in my mind ... Why DID he stop?

I would say the condition of the Glock 20 (being found jammed) is consistent with a suicide.

Take a quick look in that report at the agencies and responders involved in Sandy Hook. There are a remarkable number of federal authorities for a rural community such as Newtown, (Sandy Hook). In fact, the only picture of the "evacuation" was that of an FBI agent in ballerina shoes escorting children out of the school denoting it must have been in the direct aftermath with such hurried and troubled anticipation on her face.

Was that FBI agent involved in the drill at St. Lemas a short distance away? Is there a local FBI office near Sandy Hook Elementary? How did federal agents arrive on the scene so quickly? What departments dictated jurisdiction over the crime scene, the evidence, the initial investigation?

The devil is in the details, it always is.

Snarl
I would say the condition of the Glock 20 (being found jammed) is consistent with a suicide.

That he "limp wristed" it, and it didnt recycle properly?

He was crazy. He did not just have Asperger's, he was crazy, like a serial killer. The normal mind cannot make reason from insanity.

MOMof3
He was crazy. He did not just have Asperger's, he was crazy, like a serial killer. The normal mind cannot make reason from insanity.

And your basis for this claim is what exactly?

reply to post by Helious

New details have emerged in the investigation of the deadly Newtown shooting that suggest the killer fed his obsession with violence by keeping meticulous records about mass murderers for years.

The New York Daily News reports investigators discovered, "a chilling spreadsheet 7 feet long and 4 feet wide that required a special printer, a document that contained Lanza’s obsessive, extensive research — in nine-point font — about mass murders of the past, and even attempted murders."

Source

I believe it's safe to say, that isn't the hobby of a well adjusted and healthy individual. I mentioned the sheer size of that to my spreadsheet instructor and he thought I was kidding at first. He obsessed for a long time, it would seem.

Helious

Snarl

alfa1
*Why did Lanza stop shooting?
It was originally said that he stopped because his gun jammed. So then he killed himself.
But the report says the gun was fine, loaded, shells in the magazine, and the safety was not on.
So why did he stop? The "assasinated by the second gunman" conspiracy theorists will love that evidence.

That's always been a question in my mind ... Why DID he stop?

I would say the condition of the Glock 20 (being found jammed) is consistent with a suicide.

Take a quick look in that report at the agencies and responders involved in Sandy Hook. There are a remarkable number of federal authorities for a rural community such as Newtown, (Sandy Hook). In fact, the only picture of the "evacuation" was that of an FBI agent in ballerina shoes escorting children out of the school denoting it must have been in the direct aftermath with such hurried and troubled anticipation on her face.

Was that FBI agent involved in the drill at St. Lemas a short distance away? Is there a local FBI office near Sandy Hook Elementary? How did federal agents arrive on the scene so quickly? What departments dictated jurisdiction over the crime scene, the evidence, the initial investigation?

The devil is in the details, it always is.

There was one thing I went looking for in that report. I was actually surprised to find it addressed. Not something I recall seeing ever on ATS, mind you.

There were open questions (i.e. How much weight Lanza was carrying?) that were surprisingly answered ... and in more detail than I would expect ... and seemingly out of place ... almost an attempt to pacify us right here on this site.

There are broad swaths regarding the town in general I wouldn't expect to find there ... so strange.

Like you, I am curious about exactly who was there, when they got there, why they were there at the time, etc. Some thing I consider quite relevant/pertinent, but dismissed without even a wave of the hand.

Wrabbit2000
reply to post by Helious

 

New details have emerged in the investigation of the deadly Newtown shooting that suggest the killer fed his obsession with violence by keeping meticulous records about mass murderers for years.

The New York Daily News reports investigators discovered, "a chilling spreadsheet 7 feet long and 4 feet wide that required a special printer, a document that contained Lanza’s obsessive, extensive research — in nine-point font — about mass murders of the past, and even attempted murders."

Source

I believe it's safe to say, that isn't the hobby of a well adjusted and healthy individual. I mentioned the sheer size of that to my spreadsheet instructor and he thought I was kidding at first. He obsessed for a long time, it would seem.

The report also mentioned his immense love for the game dance dance revolution, not normally attributed to your routine serial killers. It also mentions that his hard drive was damaged beyond the point of attaining any useful data. Where did they acquire the spreadsheet? Obviously not the hard drive of Lanza's computer.

It was stated that they have very good reason to believe that Lanza had planned to end his life during the process of this shooting and if it reasons that he would destroy his hard drive so as to hide it's contents after he was dead, does it make any rational sense he would leave a 7 feet x 4 feet wide spread sheet that details mass shootings? Does it?

Did he possess a printer capable of that or was it printed out elsewhere? Nobody knows what his hobbies were. Nobody can recall seeing him or interacting with him in years outside of a contractor / mothers F buddy who said he liked to play violent video games.

I personally have seen no evidence from first hand accounts that have said anything other than they didn't know the family, hadn't seen Adam in years or had no idea who he even was. That is of course, unless you take everything the "authorities" say at face value. (Which I don't)

I have seen reports that said, Lanzas mother told a sit in..... "Don't turn your back on him ever" and yet this report states she was going to buy him a firearm for Christmas. Wrabbit, you don't see any holes in any of the logic here?

alfa1

Snarl
I would say the condition of the Glock 20 (being found jammed) is consistent with a suicide.

That he "limp wristed" it, and it didnt recycle properly?

Exactly. Glock is notorious for that, but I'm not familiar enough with the performance of the 20 to state that definitively. I traded in my 9mm for that same reason, and even with my .40 I feel as though I still have to be careful.

reply to post by Helious


Read the report.

I do not see a single thing in this report that backs up the official conclusion that Lanza did this crime.

Eyewitnesses who could ID the shooter as Lanza? No.

Gun Shot Residue evidence collected from his hands and clothing? No.

His fingerprints on anything at all? No.

Hell, they can't even match the rifle to the over 150 slugs gathered as evidence:

pg37 of 148
"No positive identification could be made to any of the bullet evidence submissions noted... in 5.56 mm caliber. The physical condition of the bullet jacket surfaces were severely damaged and corroded. They all lacked individual striated marks of sufficient agreement for the identification process. The test fire also exhibited a lack of individual striated marks on the bullet surface for comparison purposes. This condition can be caused by fouling in the barrel of the rifle and the ammunition itself. The Bushmaster rifle cannot be eliminated as having fired the 5.56 caliber bullet evidence examined."


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Seriously, does anyone actually believe a 20yr old lived in this room? There isn't a single stain on that white carpet! Come on!!