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Secrecy still shrouds Sandy Hook investigation!

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posted on Nov, 26 2013 @ 04:01 PM
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captiva
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If I might be so bold. I dont want to see photographs of dead children...Like many here who know the gaping gaps in the report, we want to see evidence that the event took place as they say it did. There are no parts of the OS that fit together in any form. Inconsistencies abound at every corner, every statement or lack of statement, every picture and every comment made by the MSM are like pieces of 10 seperate jig-saws.

The penny will drop and those who play slight of hand will suddenly realise that we, those who are not stupid, are not going to go away...fact.


First, what evidence are you looking for that would prove to you that a murder did in fact occur there? Second, I will ask again, why is it that murder has become so incredulous all of a sudden that you need to see evidence to prove it happened?




posted on Nov, 26 2013 @ 04:13 PM
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Riffrafter
Oh, there is a conspiracy here all right. The conspiracy to withhold evidence despite the laws (and common sense) dictating otherwise.


From the above quote , you extrapolate to this:-




You want to see the blood and guts photos of murdered little children for no real tangible reason that would assist the investigation, and the police aren't going to release crime scene photos like that any more than the police released the photos of Nicole Brown Simpson with her throat cut. You aren't claiming there's a conspiracy there too, are you?


You are the one with the fixation on :- the blood and guts photos of murdered little children .


You appear to use this focus and fixation in an attempt to use "shock and horror" ( known Government Tool) to divert and cause a feeling of disgust of our fellow posters.

This is an attempt to holt discussion by fellow posters ( who in no way have described a need for such thing) and to stymied correct and proper debate about this event.

You are in fact by implication of you style of tactics telling us "We don't need to know and further more have no right to know".

You stance is neither one of discussion about the events nor one of polite objection to points put forward here.
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posted on Nov, 26 2013 @ 04:18 PM
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kotu44
I'm surprised no one is suggesting that his motive might be pedophilia related. He had pro-pedophile documents on his computer and he goes and shoots up a school he once went to. My guess is that he was molested there, which led to him becoming a pedophile himself, he ended up hating himself and blamed the school for what happened to him.


If he had piles of pedophilia documents I would agree, but the report just mentions it in passing as if they only found a single item. Even then it apparently involved the legal rights of pedophiles rather than actual child pornography. It probably isn't enough to indicate a pattern of behavior, as the much larger amounts of material on weapons and other mass shootings show.

...but it is an interesting tidbit. If he was molested while a child, it's pretty much a given the guy who molested him knows he's not only a sexual predator, he's also to blame for instigating this massacre so he won't ever be coming forward to provide the answer.



posted on Nov, 26 2013 @ 04:35 PM
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Pinkorchid
You appear to use this focus and fixation in an attempt to use "shock and horror" ( known Government Tool) to divert and cause a feeling of disgust of our fellow posters.

This is an attempt to holt discussion by fellow posters ( who in no way have described a need for such thing) and to stymied correct and proper debate about this event.


No, actually, this is because the last Sandy Hook conspiracy proponent I spoke with insisted on seeing such material and I presume ydou want to see them too. The one thing I know about conspiracy proponents from my tangles with the 9/11 conspiracy proponents is that the only evidence they always insist is conclusive proof is always conveniently the evidence the authorities refuse to release. No matter that 500 witnesses are walking around and who can tell you anything you wanted to know. Have you ever met Niels Harris? I have. They guy is every bit the same sad sack off camera as he is on camera.

Since you are not looking for crime scene photos I will therefore presume you're looking for some other evidence they're not releaseing, like the 9-11 phone calls. So, I will therefore ask what is so magical about the 9-11 phone calls that would prove or disprove the rest of the body of information we have?



posted on Nov, 26 2013 @ 04:38 PM
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Any photos or tapes that are released will become the fodder for the next round of ghoulish conspiracy fodder.

That's the real reason everyone is screaming for more. It's largely some kind of sick game. Very disturbing.

The court has just ruled that the 911 tapes are to be released and if so they will soon be flooding youtube and the conspiracy sites with more of the same nonsense from the usual suspects.



posted on Nov, 26 2013 @ 05:00 PM
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posted on Nov, 26 2013 @ 05:22 PM
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Wrabbit2000
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Oh I can almost tell you without ever hearing them, why no 911 tapes will ever be heard in their entirety and I don't think it's anything conspiracy related. This is entirely about being family to cops and living around the culture for my opinion on this aspect.

They each, cop/firemen/medic walked into what is the worst nightmare of anyone, anyone at all, who works those professions. A multiple murder scene/spree killings with almost all victims being children. I'd almost promise, some of those people were breaking down on air and saying crazy things in terms of self control or perspective. The scene they had in their heads, while speaking in those moments ...would have been true nightmare stuff.

Same with any staff or adults on campus who came anywhere near it before authorities locked everything down.

Some aspects of this, due entirely to the scope and scale of it, need not be released. Ever, in my view. There is no profit or gain to anyone in highlighting what were probably the very worst moments of more than one person out there that day, recorded forever now.


But yet this is exactly what is on todays television programing. The governments and trillionaire evolutionaries have created a new race of slug people through unselective breeding habits and the worshiping of really bad music and pop TV.

Since when did we become so sheltered and sensitive? Respect this, respect that. Don't hurt my feelings!!!...Oh!...and respect the families??? Why make murders and crimes primetime psycho drama TV in the first place? I know why...because the government uses them just like any other hand in their deck of cards.

Far worse than any disrespect you or I could cause and even more disgusting, the use of tragic events for personal gain and using the media to fan the flames when they need a smoke screen to make the big elephant in the room disappear.

You literally could be watching the murder play out on the television live, change the channel up or down a few and catch the same thing being acted out for some drunk idiot on his couch who pays $100 a month for what is considered ENTERTAINMENT.

We can not ignore this type of behavior exists in society. We MUST see it for all that it is. Until we can fully stare it in the face, meaning full disclosure, we may never feel the remorse of not having done it ourselves, but belonging to the same species that does.
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posted on Nov, 26 2013 @ 05:46 PM
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Are you here to talk about the thread topic "Secrecy still shrouds Sandy Hook investigation!?
or 911 , because if you want to talk about 911 , your in the wrong thread and you are creating thread drift.
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posted on Nov, 26 2013 @ 05:49 PM
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I so wish I could give you more than one star~



posted on Nov, 26 2013 @ 05:51 PM
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That confused me at first too...911 as in emergency calls~



posted on Nov, 26 2013 @ 06:09 PM
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Good, people need to be looking into this further.

Personally I believe something wasn't right about Sandy Hook. You can just tell that they were hiding something. The people involved were acting very strangely, and as you said, it has been shrouded in secrecy for the "benefit of the families."

Look, I understand families don't want to bring this stuff up anymore. But a crime scene is a crime scene. The case should be open for further investigation. And if I were the family, I too would want to know 100% what had happened.

And now Sandy Hook the school has literally been taken down. And that was actually basically finished earlier this month. That's very odd to me. That would be destroying a crime scene, and any further tests on the building won't be able to be carried out in the future. I don't believe any school that has had a shooter in it has ended up being demolished not long after.

Sandy Hook is just to screwed up of a story for me. There's obviously something not right with the official story. And I hope professional people take a harder look at what happened. Because people didn't seem to go about that investigation professionally from the get go.



posted on Nov, 26 2013 @ 06:17 PM
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I would like to see the evidence. Let me be clear, the EVIDENCE THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE PHOTOS OF DEAD CHILDREN. I have read every post on this topic and have not seen ANYONE say or imply they wanted to see pictures of the deceased. I was also glad to see a judge ordered the tapes released. I have read every post on There are too many inconsistencies in the entire event. For one, the coroner giving an interview saying they were all shot with an automatic weapon and then that automatic weapon being pulled from the car. How did the coroner know what they were shot with until after he did the autopsies. And how did said weapon get from the classroom to the trunk of the car? Parents being interviewed that didn't seen grief ridden or in shock...a father laughing and joking not realizing the cameras were on him. Not behavior of parents who just lost children. What about the pictures of one little girl that was killed and then showing up in a picture with Obama when he went to Newtown to visit after it happened? What about her father's facebook page about her dying the day before it happened and then taken down? The changing stories of the man down the street that saved some of the children. Why would a bus driver have dropped them off at 9:30 in the morning when they would have already been in school? His stories changed a few times. I remember watching the coverage when this was happening and saw them take an armed man from the woods, then he was never mentioned again. Why would contractors have to sign confidentiality agreements when tearing down a building...because what was NOT in the building? Or what would they find? What digital evidence if they could not extract anything from the hard drive? I'm no computer expert, but it is my understanding although difficult, it can be done. Why were there pictures of a teacher leading students from the school, yet no students outside in any of the overhead shots or views? Security cameras that monitor and don't record? My daughters school has security that records. Her precious one did too. Yet, as others stated, no solid evidence he walked into the school? Who's to say someone didn't park his car there?

Another thing, FEMA drills being held 20 minutes away on the same morning. Same thing with 9/11...drills taking place that very morning in close range.

Now, I am not saying children and adults weren't killed, perhaps they were just considered collateral damage, but there are too many missing pieces to this puzzle and too many stories that were changed within the first few days. The whole thing is a cluster f***, granted a major ordeal with confusion with so many on scene at first, but there is too much missing and/or changed, and a few parents that didn't act like any parents I know that were either grieving or in shock over losing a child. I for one don't think I could even begin to think about being interviewed on national TV and talking about it, because I am pretty sure I would be sedated and keeping a low profile.

The evidence can be released minus any pictures of any deceased children or adults. But people have a right to know. I for one call bull poopie on the whole thing...the stories, the lies, the omissions and the fact that the government was most likely behind it and is having a hand in withholding much information.
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posted on Nov, 26 2013 @ 06:26 PM
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On December 14, 2012, 20-year-old Adam Lanza fatally shot twenty children and six adult staff members in a mass murder at Sandy Hook Elementary School in the village of Sandy Hook in Newtown, Connecticut.[5][6] Before driving to the school, Lanza shot and killed his mother Nancy at their Newtown home.[8][


So what is with the different dates of Death , can anyone explain?

sandyhookresearch.blogspot.com.au...

en.wikipedia.org...
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More information here:-
sandyhookresearch.blogspot.com.au...
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Were they both shot the day before and the event was played out the next day??
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posted on Nov, 26 2013 @ 06:39 PM
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Pinkorchid
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On December 14, 2012, 20-year-old Adam Lanza fatally shot twenty children and six adult staff members in a mass murder at Sandy Hook Elementary School in the village of Sandy Hook in Newtown, Connecticut.[5][6] Before driving to the school, Lanza shot and killed his mother Nancy at their Newtown home.[8][


So what is with the different dates of Death , can anyone explain?

sandyhookresearch.blogspot.com.au...



en.wikipedia.org...
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More information here:-
sandyhookresearch.blogspot.com.au...
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Were they both shot the day before and the event was played out the next day??
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Excellent find!!! Yes, it looks that way, or it could have been an error, but it seems that it would have been corrected by now.
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posted on Nov, 26 2013 @ 06:52 PM
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Its the little things that will catch them out every time and that's what were looking at here , not any need to look at? horrific pictures.


Something VERY ODD I noticed... Parents immediately spoke in Past Tense



Something I noticed about the parents when speaking about their children that I found odd.



I noticed this because when a good friend of mine died, right afterwards I still said "She IS" and did so for a couple of months after her death. I spoke about her in the "present" tense.. because her death was so painful for me and I couldn't believe she was gone. So I decided to research if speaking in the "present" tense is normal about someone who just died. I found it is definitely the norm, because people don't want to accept the death of the other, especially if it is a child. Research articles below.



Every single parent says "WAS" about their child, even the day after.... listen to Robbie Parker in a small section of this video... he says "WAS" over and over... less than 24 hours after the death of Emilie: Other family videos below showing the same thing... WAS.


video with example at link :-

sandyhookresearch.blogspot.com.au...


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posted on Nov, 26 2013 @ 07:13 PM
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off-topic post removed to prevent thread-drift


 



posted on Nov, 26 2013 @ 07:22 PM
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eisegesis

Wrabbit2000
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Oh I can almost tell you without ever hearing them, why no 911 tapes will ever be heard in their entirety and I don't think it's anything conspiracy related. This is entirely about being family to cops and living around the culture for my opinion on this aspect.

They each, cop/firemen/medic walked into what is the worst nightmare of anyone, anyone at all, who works those professions. A multiple murder scene/spree killings with almost all victims being children. I'd almost promise, some of those people were breaking down on air and saying crazy things in terms of self control or perspective. The scene they had in their heads, while speaking in those moments ...would have been true nightmare stuff.

Same with any staff or adults on campus who came anywhere near it before authorities locked everything down.

Some aspects of this, due entirely to the scope and scale of it, need not be released. Ever, in my view. There is no profit or gain to anyone in highlighting what were probably the very worst moments of more than one person out there that day, recorded forever now.


But yet this is exactly what is on todays television programing. The governments and trillionaire evolutionaries have created a new race of slug people through unselective breeding habits and the worshiping of really bad music and pop TV.

Since when did we become so sheltered and sensitive? Respect this, respect that. Don't hurt my feelings!!!...Oh!...and respect the families??? Why make murders and crimes primetime psycho drama TV in the first place? I know why...because the government uses them just like any other hand in their deck of cards.

Far worse than any disrespect you or I could cause and even more disgusting, the use of tragic events for personal gain and using the media to fan the flames when they need a smoke screen to make the big elephant in the room disappear.

You literally could be watching the murder play out on the television live, change the channel up or down a few and catch the same thing being acted out for some drunk idiot on his couch who pays $100 a month for what is considered ENTERTAINMENT.

We can not ignore this type of behavior exists in society. We MUST see it for all that it is. Until we can fully stare it in the face, meaning full disclosure, we may never feel the remorse of not having done it ourselves, but belonging to the same species that does.
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Reminds me of something..




posted on Nov, 26 2013 @ 07:41 PM
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You know the truth of what happened. It's in the official report. The official report is accepted by the families of the victims and the family of the shooter.


How can you be certain of this?

Since when is the OS or report then end of the story, and just for the record, I personally have never claimed that this never happened. I just don't believe it happened as we have been led to believe. And I think that the difference between what actually happened and the OS are (possibly) very important differences.

Just because some people play armchair detective, this has no merit in keeping the true story from being heard. Is it all reports that you accept this from public eye, or just this one?



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