Secrecy still shrouds Sandy Hook investigation!

A number of things really struck me in the summary that was released today. These are in addition to the obvious questions about Adam Lanza and his family.

These are all from the PDF of the actual summary report (Report of the State’s Attorney for the Judicial District of Danbury on the Shootings at Sandy Hook Elementary School and 36 Yogananda Street, Newtown, Connecticut on December 14, 2012) that was released by the State's Attorney (Stephen J. Sedensky III) on November 25, 2013, not from reports about it.

1. Some of the numbers differ from what has been previously reported regarding victims and survivors from classroom 10 (Ms. Soto’s classroom). According to this new summary, "Nine children had run out of the room and survived. A police officer found two uninjured children in the class restroom." Previous reports had less kids escaping and more (either 5 or 7) kids found in the class restroom by police.

2. The summary report states, "It should be noted that potentially important evidence, i.e., a computer hard drive recovered from the shooter’s home, as of this date remains unreadable. Additional insight could be gained should efforts to recover data from the hard drive ever prove successful, which at this time appears highly improbable. It is because of this improbability, coupled with the current determination of no accessories or co-conspirators that the case is being closed."

It also states, "...investigators found a computer hard drive that appeared to have been intentionally damaged. To date, because of the extensive damage, forensic experts have not yet been able to recover any information from that hard drive.

"In a typical criminal case, the investigation would remain open when potentially important evidence was still being examined. Given the improbability of any information being recovered from the damaged hard drive, this outstanding piece of evidence is not preventing the closure of this case now. Should any relevant information related to the existence of any accessory or co-conspirator be obtained from the hard drive, the case will be reopened."

But it also states that, "...there was a spreadsheet with mass murders over the years listing information about each shooting.

"The review of the electronic evidence also found many things that are on a typical hard drive or memory card that would probably have no relevance to the investigation either because of creation date or subject matter. That being said, the following selected topics or items were found within the digital evidence seized:

- Bookmarks pertaining to firearms, military, politics, mass murder, video games, music, books, Army Ranger, computers and programs, ammunition, candy, economic books
- Web page design folders
- Two videos showing suicide by gunshot
- Commercial movies depicting mass shootings
- The computer game titled “School Shooting” where the player controls a character who enters a school and shoots at students
- Screen shots (172) of the online game “Combat Arms”
- “Dance Dance Revolution” (DDR) game screen shots
- Videos of shooter playing DDR
- Images of the shooter holding a handgun to his head
- Images of the shooter holding a rifle to his head
- Five-second video (dramatization) depicting children being shot
- Images of shooter with a rifle, shotgun and numerous magazines in his pockets
- Documents on weapons and magazine capacity
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- A document written showing the prerequisites for a mass murder spreadsheet
- A spreadsheet listing mass murders by name and information about the incident
- Materials regarding the topic of pedophilia and advocating for rights for pedophiles (not child pornography)42
- Large amount of materials relating to Columbine shootings and documents on mass murders
- Large amount of materials on firearms
- Comedy videos
- Music
- Images of hamsters
- Images of Lego creations"

If the hard drive remains unreadable with the data unrecoverable, where did the "digital evidence" come from? Perhaps some of this was on CDs and DVDs or digital tapes? But even the bookmarks (presumably browser bookmarks)?

3. The summary report says, "The discovery of an Izhmash Saiga-12, 12 gauge shotgun and ammunition in the passenger compartment of the shooter’s car. A police officer moved this shotgun and ammunition to the car’s trunk for safety purposes;..."

It also says, "Recovered from the car was an Izhmash Saiga-12, 12 gauge shotgun with two magazines containing a total of twenty rounds of ammunition.35 The shotgun and ammunition were originally seen in the passenger compartment of the car and were moved by police to the car’s trunk for safekeeping during the initial response and evacuation."

Is moving evidence like this normal? I'm not a police officer, but I thought crime scenes weren't supposed to be disturbed like this.

4. This one is really odd... The summary report says, "Two of the items examined from outside the building of SHES [Sandy Hood Elementary School], one from the shotgun in the shooter’s car and a second from 36 Yogananda Street yielded DNA profiles consistent with the DNA profiles of two victims killed in SHES, one in each. It is strongly believed that this resulted from an accidental transference as a result of the unique circumstances of this case. There is no reason to believe that either victim would ever have come in contact with these items. The DESPP is conducting a separate protocol inquiry in an attempt to determine the reason that the DNA appears on the items."

So if neither weapon was ever inside Sandy Hook Elementary School, and "There is no reason to believe that either victim would ever have come in contact with these items," and the shooter never came in contact with these weapons after the shootings, how did DNA from two of the victims from inside the school wind up on these weapons?

I just finished reading the report.

There will be no video of Lanza forthcoming since the school only had video monitoring with no recording device.

Report fails to address: Who administered first aid to children and pronounced them beyond help (deceased). We know it had to be police as no one else was allowed in the building.

Makes no mention of a 2nd long arm shown being removed from the trunk of the Honda (which can be seen on video at night shot from a news helicopter).

Fails to mention why police didn't enter the same way Lanza did and instead broke other windows to enter the school.

Fails to mention who found the shooter or address any of the NPD or CSP actions once inside the school.

There is this:

Consistent with Public Act 13-311,10 exceptions to the state Freedom of Information Act11 and C.G.S. Sec. 17a-101k(a) 12 this report will not list the names of the twenty children killed

What's the point of not including them?
They have already been named in public documents.

Despite following the case closely some of this was news to me:

(detentions from outside the SHES)
Some of these detentions included:
1. The initial unknown male who turned out to be a parent with a cell telephone in his hand;
2. Two reporters located in the woods around SHES, who were held at gun point by Department of Energy and Environmental Protection (DEEP) police officers until their identities could be determined; and
3. A man from New York who was working in a nearby town and went to SHES after an application on his cell telephone alerted him to the situation at the school. He drove to the firehouse and went up to the school on foot. He was taken from the scene of the school in handcuffs and later to Newtown Police Department. It was later determined that he did not have a connection to the shooting and had gone to SHES to see what was going on.

The last mention must be the now infamous "camo man", still unidentified whose reasons for being at Sandy Hook sound rather bizarre to me. What kind of app would alert him to the situation at school?
Helicopter video shows someone being detained and a firearm being taken from the someone in the woods, was this the person? Why did they not mention the out of town officer who also showed up or is this the same person?

There is no mention of Ryan Lanza or of his ID being found on the shooter or anything related to his arrest including why he would be taken in to custody at all.

All in all pretty much what I expected.
The report reads like a summary of new articles minus any witness remarks with nothing much new and lacking in the way of evidence. This is about all the report the public is going to get.

Don't hold your breath for any details or anything in the way of proof being offered, it isn't going to come from Sedensky's office.

My gut feelings are that the initial reports of handguns and only handguns being used was correct. The denial of anyone except police inside and the following disinformation regarding events were cover to substitute an AR15 for the actual weapons used in the killings. This was done to further an agenda of the current administration.
It can be shown that actually there were 2 long guns in the trunk of Lanza's car so from the evidence that I can see this seems the most likely reality.

Finally Adam Lanza was 5'10", 112 lbs and carried over 30 lbs of weapons and ammunition into the school. The same kid who never left his room or did anything physical.

jaws1975
reply to post by FlyersFan

 

Keep moving the goalposts back! You and your ilk loved to tell us last Dec. to wait for the full investigation to get all the facts straight, now we are being too damn nosey for wanting the facts in the case.

1 - me and my 'ilk' ?? Knock it off.

2 - How exactly am I 'moving the goal post back? Answer ... I"m not.

3 - I didn't say people were 'too damn nosey' for wanting the facts. The final report gives all the facts you need to know. What is 'too damn nosey' are those people, none of whom have any kind of forensic training, who want to play armchair detective with pictures of dead children, blood soaked clothing, and blood splatters. It's ridiculous.

The two dozen funerals tell us this event really happened so the people running around saying 'there were no victims' are just being ignorant. The families of the victims and the Lanza family have seen all of the sensitive information. None of us have a need to. The families are all satisfied with the results.

therealguyfawkes
If corrupt government wants us to believe their BS about Sandy Hoax, show me the tapes of Lanza entering the building.

- There were two dozen funerals. It's not a hoax.
- IF there were tapes (and just because there were security cameras doesn't mean there were), there is no need for you to see tapes of Lanza entering the building if the families involved don't want them released. People playing armchair detective on the internet have no need to see anything in this matter.

Urantia1111
Don't be so daft. We're questioning whether there actually were any victims' families or funerals.

Yes ... questioning if there were actually any victims and dead children .. THAT is what is daft. Two dozen funerals. The list of the dead is widely available. The names and ages was made available shortly after the shooting. The list is here . Obviously the shooting happened and the children (and adults) died.

FlyersFan

therealguyfawkes
If corrupt government wants us to believe their BS about Sandy Hoax, show me the tapes of Lanza entering the building.

- There were two dozen funerals. It's not a hoax.
- IF there were tapes (and just because there were security cameras doesn't mean there were), there is no need for you to see tapes of Lanza entering the building if the families involved don't want them released. People playing armchair detective on the internet have no need to see anything in this matter.

You haven't read the report you are standing by.
It says in the report the had video monitoring but no recording.
I might add the school had recently upgraded their security,
I can only imagine it was from having nothing at all as that is no upgrade and quite honestly sounds useless.

arosebyanyothername
Ever notice how when a SH thread starts a cast of characters starts accusing people of wanting to look at pictures of dead children?

Ever notice how when a SH thread starts a cast of characters DO start saying that the shooting is a hoax and that there aren't any victims?? And sometimes there are even demands to see pictures of the dead ... and of course if there were pictures of dead children released, those people who said Sandy Hook is a hoax would just say those pictures are photoshopped anyways. Yep. Happens all the time.

Bundy
reply to post by FlyersFan

 

To you, yes dead people get airlifted to hospitals, and rushed there by ambulance.

Um ... no. Dead people on a mass murder scene are left there until after the forensics teams are finished with their work. That's how it happened with Columbine. That's how it happened at the Navy Yard shooting. That's how it happened with the movie theatre shooting in Aurora. That's how it happened at Sandy Hook. Dead bodies at a crime scene are left there until forensics are done.

Injured and alive at Columbine ... transported.
Murdered and dead at Columbine ... left for forensics.

Taggart
It says in the report the had video monitoring but no recording.
I might add the school had recently upgraded their security,
I can only imagine it was from having nothing at all as that is no upgrade and quite honestly sounds useless.

And your point is what? Sounds like the school security system wasn't all that great. Considering it was a small town in Connecticut, and not a big city school, they probably thought they were just fine. If you have a problem with the schools security system, what does that have to do with some kind of alleged coverup?

FlyersFan

Taggart
It says in the report the had video monitoring but no recording.
I might add the school had recently upgraded their security,
I can only imagine it was from having nothing at all as that is no upgrade and quite honestly sounds useless.

And your point is what? Sounds like the school security system wasn't all that great. Considering it was a small town in Connecticut, and not a big city school, they probably thought they were just fine. If you have a problem with the schools security system, what does that have to do with some kind of alleged coverup?

My point is you have not read the report otherwise you would have knew this.

Taggart
My point is you have not read the report otherwise you would have knew this.

I still don't get what you are trying to say.
There are people on here demanding to see video of Lanza entering the building.
I'm telling them .. they don't need to.
The report has him dead at the scene. That's the proof he was there.
The two dozen funerals prove that the incident happened.
There is no need to see video of Lanza ... even if there was any.

Riffrafter
Here's another article from USA Today with more info from the report:

Sandy Hook Gunman Adam Lanza Acted Alone

ETA - above story was posted by USA Today @ 3:34PM EST. Seems stories about the summary report are still breaking...

edit on 11/25/2013 by Riffrafter because: (no reason given)

I guess our news media are still going with the Official version and are even ignoring that helicopter footage of the second shooter which was never shown on the news.

reply to post by Asktheanimals

What's the point of not including them? They have already been named in public documents.

Good Point.

reply to post by Agent_USA_Supporter


Heck, you can actually see THREE people fleeing into the woods, you can see they all start running a different direction and not chasing anyone. What about the scanner feeds from two different officers saying "suspect down" in relation to the woods chase. What about the scanner feed that said two more suspects in a purple van dressed as nuns?

reply to post by FlyersFan

The two dozen funerals prove that the incident happened.

So...people died, therefore it's all true? I suppose you visited the graves?

So much for denying ignorance...I guess all we need now is a brace of laws making questioning the story a federal crime.

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Asktheanimals
Makes no mention of a 2nd long arm shown being removed from the trunk of the Honda (which can be seen on video at night shot from a news helicopter).

I think the claim is for this one, that the 2nd gun was the officer's own ar15/m4 rifle and he set it down in the trunk to allow him to check out the Saiga. I wasn't aware that the Saiga was originally located in the front of the vehicle and moved to the trunk, that is highly suspect, if they needed to secure the weapon, why not clear it put it in an evidence bag and into the evidence technician's vehicle?? Why relocate it to the trunk at all?

PplVSNWO
reply to post by Agent_USA_Supporter

 

Heck, you can actually see THREE people fleeing into the woods, you can see they all start running a different direction and not chasing anyone. What about the scanner feeds from two different officers saying "suspect down" in relation to the woods chase. What about the scanner feed that said two more suspects in a purple van dressed as nuns?

^What Fleeing again?

you can actually see THREE people fleeing into the woods, you can see they all start running a different direction and not chasing anyone.

What fleeing? all i saw was the most relaxed fleeing that i have never seen in a murder news related story, whatever live or not.

What about the scanner feeds from two different officers saying "suspect down" in relation to the woods chase.

If you believe the scanner feeds that much you might as well suggest that Saddam WMDs went into Syria. Maybe you could explain why the kids during the live news broadcast all seemed super calmed?

TheWhiteKnight
reply to post by FlyersFan

 

So...people died, therefore it's all true?

Some people here say it never happened. They want to see ALL the evidence because they say it didn't happen. I'm saying that there were two dozen funerals that prove it happened so they don't have any need to see pictures of dead children or footage of Lanza entering the building, like they want.

The families of the victims and the family of Lanza are satisfied with the report and the information. There is no need for sensitive information to be released simply so that armchair detectives on the internet can attempt to play forensic investigator.

So much for denying ignorance...

Right back atchya. Read the thread and who I'm addressing, and the particular statements that I"m addressing before you make snide remarks.

I guess all we need now is a brace of laws making questioning the story a federal crime.

Straw man deflection from the topic.

reply to post by jaws1975


Rather than continue to bump this soon-to-be-closed thread, I have made my reply in the form of a new thread:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

reply to post by FlyersFan

There are people on here demanding to see video of Lanza entering the building. I'm telling them .. they don't need to. The report has him dead at the scene. That's the proof he was there.

It is not proof he was the shooter, even if you consider the report as proof.

The two dozen funerals prove that the incident happened.

No it doesn't prove the incident happened, it definately doesn't prove the incident happened the way we are told.

Regardless of your stance on SH, it does not prove what you say it proves.

It also seems you are incapable of adding to a conspiracy discussion in a way that would seem logical in that regard.

People think it is a conspiracy but you keep repeating what you think is "proof", never acknowledging that if it truly were a conspiracy, this "proof" would be part of the conspiracy.

Kindoff makes your contribution pointless.

You are either doing this on purpose or you lack intelligence and logical insight.

You are only repeating the "facts" that were released, the very same facts that make people think it is a conspiracy.

It looks a bit awkward if you ask me.

Basically you are saying that we might as wel be done with discussing any conspiracy, because the official sources say it isn't.

What a joke.