Secrecy still shrouds Sandy Hook investigation!

reply to post by FlyersFan



There is absolutely many reasons why but I will give the one and only that matters and the reason while this info is and will be released. CHECKS AND BALANCES. If you blindly assume and trust without question then you become a sheep. The FOI, trials and investigations being public are that way for exactly what I mentioned above. How many cases do you think have been overturned or solved from someone other than law enforcement looking at it? Hundreds, Thousands??? Enough to continue to make completed investigations and trials public info.

Adam must have done a number on that hard drive seeing that the police will probably never be able to get info from it.

Makes me think what info he was trying to hide.

reply to post by FlyersFan


I respectfully disagree. This country we live in is a community and a public school is public business. As a Citizen, I have a Right and a need-to-know about things that happen in my community. All of the investigation is done with tax money paid in part by me for the express purpose of collecting information about events in the community that I live in, because I have the Right to be fully informed about those events that affect my community.

reply to post by GuidedKill


Okay, I DO question what you're saying here. You suggest they DO release full documented case files on violent crimes involving children? Fair enough..and I've absolutely been proven wrong a time or two, as well, so it's not with arrogance, just confidence, I say the above.

However, do you know of any specific cases I can go check in legal research to see graphic material of a violent crime scene involving minor victims? ANY crime ..ANY crime scene would do. No..Don't post material. That isn't what is being asked. Citation to the case (People Vs. -name-) is sufficient and I can do all the research work from there.

If a state actually HAS publicly released such graphic material in child crimes, I'm very interested in knowing it and for far more than JUST this case or example.

@Olaru

The Boston Bombing occurred, literally, in the MIDDLE of the media. They blew their devices right at the finish line of a city-wide event, within a major American city. Of course that was going to be photographed and filmed beyond all reason. Private photos...private photographers. I've yet to see any gore released from the Boston case as part of official record to what happened.

reply to post by jam321


That's another good point. If he was trying to erase data on a hard drive, that wouldn't require him to smash the entire computer. In fact as everyone knows, that doesn't erase anything. Its a piece of cake for a forensics specialist to extract info from a hard drive that has been even purposefully damaged trying to hide data. I find it hard to believe that they can't get the data.

Urantia1111
I respectfully disagree.

Thank you for 'respectfully' disagreeing.

This country we live in is a community and a public school is public business. As a Citizen, I have a Right and a need-to-know about things that happen in my community.

I agree. But that's what the final report is for.

What some people here are calling for is FULL disclosure. That's crime scene photos and bullet fragment reports and blood soaked clothing and everything else. They want to play armchair detective with conspiracy theories. And as far as I know, the State or Town are not required to release the evidence ... they are only supposed to release the final reports.

reply to post by Wrabbit2000

So, it may be unusual and it absolutely has many people in an uproar, but there is nothing about what CT has done here that sets some staggering new precedent I'm aware of, at least not at this point. It's a VERY high profile case to be playing games, how they have been. However, the end result of a public case file less than complete, is not a new thing by any stretch.

Not complete is one thing. But as far as providing real evidence goes in this case, they haven't even started. It's astonishing actually.

I don't think anyone here wants to see pictures of the bodies or anything remotely like that. But there is a ton of evidence that could be provided that wouldn't be of that nature. How about a few simple things:

1 - Some still pictures or video footage of Adam Lanza inside the school. There were a number of security cameras placed throughout that school. They were even recently serviced & upgraded prior to the event. Why no pics or footage? Remember how many pics and vids the public was given within a few weeks of the event at Columbine?

2 - Pictures of weapons found/recovered. Detailed report stating what those weapons were and exactly where & when they were found. Also pictures and report outlining the ammunition used, quantity of each, etc.

3- Detailed timeline of the event. Also detailed timeline & report stating which law enforcement agencies were involved, exactly when they got involved, and who was in charge. This one should be easy but it's giving them fits. Why?

That's a very simple start. And there is absolutely *no* reason to not release that info.

I believe in disclosure to an extent. Phone calls, time line etc.. There are some real questions that many people have especially when this was used so vehemently by Obama as a tool for taking the second amendment rights away from people.

However I think it is extremely demented for people to want to view the childrens dead bodies. I completely understand the parents not wanting these pictures to go out to the public. Who wants to see their childrens dead bodies and blood all around when they open up the computer, or turn the tv on?

If these pics go out they will be all over and the nightmare will be relived over and over again by parents and loved ones, siblings will see their brothers and sisters dead bodies. Some of you need to ask youself if this was your child would you want that?

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


Yea find a child murder case and send in a FOI request about it. They will eventually send you the info you requested and you can browse till your heart is content.

The West Memphis Three was a horrible child murder and torture case whose crime scene photos were requested , received and then were put in a HBO doc called Paradise Lost.

Here is video of Columbine.....Why is this out there and on Youtube but there is nothing I mean NOTHING to prove Adam Lanza was even there. If TPTB are tired of conspiracy nut jobs then release the info as you have in other child murders cases. At least show us Adam in the school. Something.....




Here is info retained by news agencies with the same FOI request for Caycee Anthony. Even though they are edited for publication you are able to get them from the State unedited just like the Orlando Paper did.

Caylee Anthony

Here's the link to the full summary report released by the CT state's attorney:

Full Sandy Hook Summary Report

reply to post by GuidedKill


Thank you... I was asking for a very sensitive thing and I appreciate your reply with as much sensitivity in what was shared. That does give me a couple to look at and see what was different so precedent applied there and didn't here. Should be interesting to see how CT differs by circumstance or law.

reply to post by FlyersFan


So if the law doesn't and shouldn't provide for it, how would you suggest we prevent our government from staging fake disasters for political gain? Do you not see that allowing details of an investigation to be legally hidden from the public allows government carte blanche to make stuff up?

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


Now with those cases some time obviously has passed and they are certainly more available then say the Sandy Hook shooting. Like I mentioned before in high profile cases such as this there can be a gag order issued for a time period to let the pain subside.

Take the JFK assassination for example.....that is and was so high profile they extend the gag order every 10-20 years. They can and may draw this out as long as possible but they will have to eventually release the data.

To the previous poster ... Dead people don't get airlifted to hospitals.

Urantia1111
So if the law doesn't and shouldn't provide for it, how would you suggest we prevent our government from staging fake disasters for political gain?

The police released the final report.
The families of the victims got to see the information, even what we didn't see.
They are satisfied.
The two dozen funerals tell us it wasn't faked.

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


The actual atrocity is not unique; the conspiratorial backlash is. When ATS went nuclear over suspected actors involved in a 'false flag' and parents faking their despair, this site became less deny ignorance and more embrace the surreal. Actually, ATS owners did themselves no favours by slamming down on almost every related thread. At the time I agreed in curtailing the nonsense being peddled and will still fight anyone that attempts to steer a course of conspiracy into threads supposing actors were in place that day, but there does need to be some open dialogue.

reply to post by FlyersFan


Keep moving the goalposts back! You and your ilk loved to tell us last Dec. to wait for the full investigation to get all the facts straight, now we are being too damn nosey for wanting the facts in the case.

Two more interesting points of contention that I've read expressed was the unusually high kill-injure ratio, along with very few lawsuits.

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


I hear ya, but heck, they even revealed Jon Bonay(sp) Ramsey's reports, pics, autopsy, etc., and that was considered VERY high profile at the time.

What disturbs me the most (and I feel it in my innards, instinctively I mean), is why not release the 911 calls, and why is the state attorney fighing the release of those calls. My instincts tell me that-that is where most of the answers are.

Just my thoughts.

On the news, just now, it was said, " they(LE?) believe Lanza's mother was shot 4 times"???????? They BELIEVE??? How do they not KNOW????