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Krazysh0t
signalfire
You do realize that detoxing someone by cold turkey can be extremely dangerous right? It can even be deadly. Throwing someone in a room to sweat out the addiction is an awful thing to do. I also don't smoke, but I at least have the sympathy to understand that price gouging people because they choose to smoke is downright wrong.
Bull Puckey. Detoxing from heroin is dangerous, but rarely more than extremely uncomfortable.
Probably millions of people have given up a nicotine habit cold turkey without any dangerous effects. Uncomfortable, miserable, crabby as all get out, yeah. But not dangerous. Since you're detoxing from a neurotoxin, every minute without it is all to the good. Sorry, no sympathy whatsoever, the first cigarette was your choice, as was every one after that.
And some people won't stop unless they're put on a desert island without a 7-11 nearby to buy the damn things. Maybe it could be considered a good treatment choice, all in all. Short, sweet, to the point. No access.
I wonder how many people say they can't afford health insurance, but spend godknowshowmuch on tobacco.
And it's not price gouging to charge someone for the effects of their lifestyle. Should 2 quarts of gin a day alcoholics be given the same insurance rates as a healthy 20 year old with no bad habits? Should a parachuter, mountain climber, race car driver be given the same rates as a secretary?
As far as lying about being a smoker, don't bother. It's considered fraud and any medical care paid for by the insurance company could be demanded paid back if they see an xray of your lungs or find out otherwise you've been smoking all along (rarely does anyone start smoking after age 21).
signalfire
Bull Puckey. Detoxing from heroin is dangerous, but rarely more than extremely uncomfortable.
Probably millions of people have given up a nicotine habit cold turkey without any dangerous effects. Uncomfortable, miserable, crabby as all get out, yeah. But not dangerous. Since you're detoxing from a neurotoxin, every minute without it is all to the good. Sorry, no sympathy whatsoever, the first cigarette was your choice, as was every one after that.
And some people won't stop unless they're put on a desert island without a 7-11 nearby to buy the damn things. Maybe it could be considered a good treatment choice, all in all. Short, sweet, to the point. No access.
I wonder how many people say they can't afford health insurance, but spend godknowshowmuch on tobacco.
And it's not price gouging to charge someone for the effects of their lifestyle. Should 2 quarts of gin a day alcoholics be given the same insurance rates as a healthy 20 year old with no bad habits? Should a parachuter, mountain climber, race car driver be given the same rates as a secretary?
As far as lying about being a smoker, don't bother. It's considered fraud and any medical care paid for by the insurance company could be demanded paid back if they see an xray of your lungs or find out otherwise you've been smoking all along (rarely does anyone start smoking after age 21).
RobinB022
reply to post by MystikMushroom
You can't have your cake and eat it too. The government either wants to let us keep smoking and tax it fairly, or have us quit and risk loosing a pretty nice tax revenue stream.
No-they want us smoking, and they want to sintax us. Because they are hypocrites. And them wanting us to quit is just more income, more reason to punish smokers. And last I knew, smoking was legal !
And the "Just die already" remark, we all will of something, and to each their own.(Not meant for you MM)
My mother quit smoking and 4 1/2 yrs later was DX'ed with cancer. My sister called the cancer society and was told that it's very common for people who quit smoking to get sick, even with cancer. It was explained to her that the body missed what it had, and in looking for ways to come to terms with the loss of (something) in the tobacco, can actually lead to cancer. I've no idea how true that is as it was my sister telling me, but I do know of several people who became sick after quitting.
Regardless-the whole thing is hypocritical of not only our Gov't, but Obama (smoker) himself.edit on 25-11-2013 by RobinB022 because: no reason
UnifiedSerenity
ldyserenity
IBelieveInAliens
reply to post by Krazysh0t
It makes complete sense. Smokers get sick more (self-inflicted) so they should pay more. Where's the problem here? If they do't like it, then quit smoking. Easy. I quit, cold turkey, after two packs a day for 25 years. It was tough for a little while but I did it.
Smoked since I was 12 a pack a day, been sick maybe twice where I actually needed doctors not from smoking but from being in freezing cold temps taking buses to work and home late hours of night/early morning hours. Now that I have my own vehicle I get sick less than all of my coworkers that don't smoke ever did (And it's usually stomach issues not breathing or lung issues no flu or cold practically ever) And when I do I tend to be less sick than someone else and less amount of time in fact I've worked sick because it doesn't knock me down as badly as a non smoker. I am 41 years old had chest ex-rays in FL because of my chronic bronchitis that happened from the two times I had pneumonia in my life my lungs are still completely without a single dark spot they are clear as crystal.
I've since learned how to control on my own the chronic bronchitis from the web and friends who practice natural herbal healing and prevention. It has worked for the past 2 years. I am healthier than friends of mine with the same issues who see DR'S regularly.
I have stayed off of this topic because people are so indoctrinated about smoking, and it's a huge lie. Most people have no clue that all those pictures of black lungs of smokers are the lungs of coal miners and guess what? All coal miners who spent their lives inhaling that coal dust have lungs that look like this! I put up this article a long time ago. It explains the lies involved about smoking. Sure I think smoking affects how well you intake oxygen at some point and can get COPD. But, smoking does not cause cancer in and of itself.
Why is it that countries with much higher smoking populations do not have the lung cancer rates we do? That is a proven fact. The real issue is the fact that America, England, France, Russia all knew radioactive material causes cancer. One small dust particle hits your healthy lung and you WILL get lung cancer. One small particle hits your skin and you WILL get skin cancer. This is called gross culpable negligence to know this and spew TONS of this dust up into the atmosphere via open air nuclear tests. They know cancer takes time, so they had to create a fall guy, and the natural fall guy is smoking!
People have smoked for centuries and not gotten lung cancer prior to the 1940's. Suddenly within a decade of it, people started getting sick. The government knew these facts. They even knew smoking did not give the rats lung cancer, but this dust did!
Read the FACTS. Scientists Proved Smoking Prevents Lung Cancer
Now, I know you all want to believe what I am saying is not true. That it's obvious anything you inhale will make you sick oh, unless you are a pothead, then that is good for you. Ignore the evidence, ignore the fact millions smoke in other countries much more than we do and don't get cancer. In 3 decades when none of us smoke in America, what are you going to blame then? This radioactive dust has a 50,0000 year life, so get used to it folks, we screwed our environment and the government has us blaming evil smokers!edit on 26-11-2013 by UnifiedSerenity because: (no reason given)edit on 26-11-2013 by UnifiedSerenity because: (no reason given)
Alcohol reports for approximately 79,000 deaths per year, from excessive drinking alone. This total raises to over 450,000 deaths when you factor in accidents and violence caused by drinking while Tobacco results in approximately 250,000 deaths per year.
Alcohol withdrawal syndrome is a potentially life-threatening condition that can occur in people who have been drinking heavily for weeks, months, or years and then either stop or significantly reduce their alcohol consumption.
Tarzan the apeman.
I wonder if you still get subsidies if you smoke?
beezzer
Haven't read through the entire thread yet, but I'm sure someone already posted that lower income people are more likely to be smokers.
YAY Obama!
Krazysh0t
reply to post by signalfire
You do know that alcohol is more dangerous than smoking right?