"Former Area 51 Employee" Ed Fouche - Recorded on video saying he is a liar

CAUTION : The video at the link below contains a LOT of swearing : CAUTION

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CAUTION : The video at the link above contains a LOT of swearing : CAUTION

As most of you probably know, Edgar Fouche claimed to work at Groom Lake. He has talked to the UFO community for over a decade about reverse-engineering of alien artefacts. He has been endorsed by some leading figures in ufology, such as Michael Salla.

Ed Fouche has been the subject of quite a few discussions on ATS, including the threads below:

(a) 35 flag thread entitled "Former Area 51 Employee Ed Fouche"www.abovetopsecret.com...[/url]


(b) A thread entitled "SR 74, 75 & TR-3B Blk Craft - Edgar Fouche"

(c) Lots of threads about the TR3B

In the video at the link above, recently uploaded to Youtube, Fouche is recorded as stating that he has a guilty conscience and that he has told a lot of government lies. He makes various comments about being a liar (most of which involve swear words). He also states that he doesn't like "being a front man for an N dot dot agency".

He uses pretty strong language in the video.

Due to the swearing in the video, I checked with the moderators before posting this video. I’ve been told its okay to post the above link, provided I don’t embed the video and give a language warning before the link.

Following the video at the link above being uploaded to Youtube, Fouche has posted in a discussion on the Outpost forum claiming that he was joking about being an NSA agent:

At one point I began making fun of them and saying I was a NSA agent and everything I ever said was a lie. But once it was chopped up and edited the way it was, it definitely made me look a fool and a fraud.

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Have I told lies? Absolutely! You don't spend almost 30 years working for the government and military of TS programs/projects and keep your clearances by not lying. Many many times I told ex-wife I was going TDY to a classified school or to another base to assist on non-specific work. But in actuality I was in a different place or different country. This is one of many examples.

When I wrote 'Alien Rapture' it was the truth about how the government worked in TS Black programs and how they cover up technology and intelligence from my own experiences. The aliens in my book were a total hypothesis also. Fiction is not truth. But there was a lot of truth in my book.

For those unfamiliar with him, as background to the video above some of you may be interested in the claims Fouche had made in the 1998 video embedded below


Fouche co-authored the book “Alien Rapture” with Brad Steiger:

Ed Fouche posted the text of his 1998 presentation at the International UFO Congress in Laughlin Nevada on various websites. It can be found at:
www.bibliotecapleyades.net...

A myriad of advanced crystallography undreamed of by scientists were discovered by the scientists and engineers who evaluated, analyzed, and attempted to reverse engineer the technology presented with the Roswell vehicle and eight more vehicles which have crashed since then.

Fouche has been a controversial figure within ufology for quite a few years. See, for example, the discussion in a 1998 post on the UFO Updates email discussion list.


Fouche has also written about some of the other individuals that have claimed to work at Area 51, including an item about Bob Lazar:

Are his stories just plain fantastic and fictionist and nothing by LIES?
YES

Could he be a Disinformation agent?
YES

Is he another person making up stories to seek attention?
YES

Fouche has similarly written about Dan Burish:

Dr. Dan Burish -
Area 51 Scientist???
A Total Fraud - Yes!

Ed Fouche used to post on the Alien Scientist forum, but (to put it mildly) there recently seems to have been a bit of a falling out amongst the people involved in that forum (including Jeremy Rys)...

He seems so depressed, and possibly/probably an alcoholic with brain damage issues that there's nothing about this that appears to be useful.

And what is basically the come out of this? I barely understood the ramblings of a drunkard.

What everyone cares to know is, is there any ET true or all this is BS. People, me included is starting to get tired of this BS in ufology, not because like some believer will start crying with a new thread how ETs don't exist because he's been looking for evidence and never found it, (I would always consider that ET is possibility) but because it would be a waste of time to continue like that.

People say all this info is DISinfo about military technology, PSYOPS blah blah - ok where are the whistleblowers, where is the evidence, the communication, the documentation that says 'For the next couple of decades and counting we will keep a myth of aliens alive to hide *this and this* info;'...

Maybe the government is doing things a little different. Instead of assassinating whistlesblowers they just tell them make a confession saying they are lying. Never know lol
Firepiston

reply to post by IsaacKoi


I never really held the stuff he said in high esteem anyway but if anything, this proves the pathetic sacrifices you have to make when working for your government.

And if you're directly lying to those you're supposed to love ie. your wife, then yes, I have even more trouble in believing anything this guy says.

Of course the guy was a fraud and played to the gullibility and naivety of his audience. His presentations were comical. I remember seeing one presentation on video where he briefly flashed up this image (See link) and informed the audience that he couldn't divulge the secret aircraft. There was gasps from the audience and much appreciative chatter.

'SLIDE 77: Strange picture of aircraft with pilot's head in open.'

Fouche Image presented as exotic craft

Simply an F-15 cockpit image taken with a wide angle lens. He probably got a real kick out of deceiving people!

tommyjo
Of course the guy was a fraud and played to the gullibility and naivety of his audience. His presentations were comical. I remember seeing one presentation on video where he briefly flashed up this image (See link) and informed the audience that he couldn't divulge the secret aircraft. There was gasps from the audience and much appreciative chatter.

'SLIDE 77: Strange picture of aircraft with pilot's head in open.'

Fouche Image presented as exotic craft

Simply an F-15 cockpit image taken with a wide angle lens. He probably got a real kick out of deceiving people!

Sorry short and sweet but everything you just wrote .. Did that really happen ?

Most of these hoaxers tell a good story but get found out eventually. The only people who pay them any attention are the diehard crowd who have a "need to believe" in the "majority of UFOs as ETs" mythos.

They sell a lot of books and lies to a science illiterate public and go on their merry way while the field of UFOlogy takes hit after hit.

And you wonder why no one legitimately wants anything to do with it all? It's a briar patch of thorns buried under a surface excrement......which is on fire.

The one or two potential bits of gold at the bottom of it all are just not worth the time or risk to pursue when there are better avenues to get to the same place.

JadeStar
And you wonder why no one legitimately wants anything to do with it all? It's a briar patch of thorns buried under a surface excrement......which is on fire.

What is probably more surprising is the number of people that ARE prepared to spend time researching matters relating to ufo reports, without pay and in the face of potential/actual ridicule.

The one or two potential bits of gold at the bottom of it all are just not worth the time or risk to pursue when there are better avenues to get to the same place.

What avenues are those?

reply to post by IsaacKoi


Frankly, this video will make little difference in the Fouche saga as it continues to roll along. People that believe that he knew all about the highly, highly secret mechanics that powers the triangles--TR3Bs according to him--won't want to give up those beliefs. They, and probably he, will have multiple excuses to spin...on.

The funny thing is that triangles really exist, I and others have seen them. They are probably our developed craft based upon the alien technologies of genuine UFOs. So he is kinda right, generally. that was his point in the video in some fashion.

The Fouche case takes a fitting place beside the Lazar case. A couple of decades ago Lazar was discredited on the old UFO Mothership site that he was not who he claimed. Yet he lives on in the tattered fringes of questionable tales in ufology. Unfortunately, they are players in the mythology that edges the real truth a little closer every time the term UFO is spoken, read or even thought about.

Good job on the Alien Scientist guy for being willing to follow the truth--and untruth--wherever it may lead...even if that means saying, "I made a mistake, don't trust Ed Fouche!"

reply to post by IsaacKoi


I have always been extremely skeptical of Fouche. Many of his claims were questionable or misleading.

One such item was what he called the SAC-DARPA Letter. Here is how he describes it:

“First DARPA (Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency) asked that I be available until 1987). This was in regards to Area 51. Notice the DoD, Department of Defense seal, and not the USAF or SAC seal. Since I was assigned to SAC Hq., DARPA’s request went to them. This letter is SAC’s (DoD office) response to the request. The first blackened out part is a classified assignment SCI/SAP code. The second blackened out part is my SSN. AAR is After Action Request, refers to a classified program. This was blackened out by me as the specific AAR is classified TS. The last blackened area is because in has classification information and is also stamped Top Secret. And also the name of the senior NCO is blackened out, but BigPappy, (Danny B), and Mark Hall, Jeremy (alienscientist.com), Eddie Curry, and Bill Handel and others saw this document before it was blackened out. I’m on the thin grey line on this but am willing to post it.” I thought I had destroyed all my classified documents. This was a surprise discovery for me. To most this will not prove or mean anything. But it shows that DARPA thought I was special and wanted me to be available until my retirement date.”

Now, here are my comments:

This letter is UNCLASSIFIED. It was never marked as classified material (no classification markings, no control number, no Copy X of Y).

There is nothing unusual about the letterhead. Use of the DoD seal is standard.

The letter was signed by the NCO in Charge, Airman Aircraft Maintenance Assignments Section, Office of the Directorate of Assignments, Deputy Chief of Staff for Personnel.

The letter was sent to the Quality Control and Evaluation Division, office code LGMQ.

Where it says REPLY TO: DARPA, this might be a five-letter office code (such as DPAQR, the Command Records Branch at SAC HQ).

This letter simply indicates that the Air Force Manpower and Personnel Center (AFMPC) has approved an After Action Review (or Report), a professional discussion of an event, focused on performance standards, that enables soldiers/airmen to discover for themselves what happened, why it happened, and how to sustain strengths and improve on weaknesses. It is a tool that commanders and units can use to get maximum benefit from every mission or task.



Fouche showed a photo of a stealth fighter in a hangar at Area 51, with these comments:

“Early static prototype of a very Top Secret F-117 at the very classified Groom AB. We called it ‘Have Blue’ back then. This smaller proof-of-concept model of the F-117 first flew at Groom in December 1977. Testing of a series of ultra-secret prototypes continued there until mid-1981. (Edgar Fouche was stationed at Nellis AFB from 76-80). Groom was a short airplane or helicopter ride from Nellis AFB. The guy to the left of Edgar Fouche is Bob Green, Avionics & Computer Engineer, and C*A employee. The little guy to the right of Edgar Fouche is CMSgt. Billy Snodgrass (A&E specialist) who has a niece who was a well-known actress. Edgar Fouche worked with Bob at the Flight Operational Test & Evaluation (FOT&E) center at Edwards AFB (CA) where they did R&D on the F-111, F-15 & F-15 Streak Eagle, A-9, A-10, original B-1, and other still classified prototypes. We also worked together at Nellis AFB & Groom AB (NV), and we both had offices at Kelly AFB (TX) in the mid 80s when I was the SAC Liaison. Bob was in Saudi and Diego Garcia during both Iraqi wars. Now retired. No I can’t tell you where I got all of my photos. It’s pretty obvious. The guy who took this photo worked for Bob Green.”


Again, here are my comments:

This is not HAVE BLUE. It is the first YF-117A SENIOR TREND prototype.

Edwards AFB was home of the Air Force Flight Test Center.

Does he mean Snodgress? (as in Carrie Snodgress). A former Lockheed employee I spoke with identified this man as Roy Wilson.

A former Lockheed employee said, "Under the right wing, the person with the blue checkered shirt I think is Jimmy Yates, mechanic. The person facing him with the light shirt I think is Bill Blackwood, crew chief, and the next person with the flight jacket on is Roy Wilson, structures mechanic, and under the left wing facing towards the camera I think is Randy Duffy, either an electrician or technician. I don't know the person on top of the A/C, or the two people under the left center of the A/C or the fireman."

From another source: "The Agency was not cleared on the program in the early days, which that [photo] appears to be. I heard that Ben Rich in his inimitable manner got in trouble when he went to Langley (not the AFB) without getting clearance to do so and talked about the program in an attempt to drum up business."


A message Fouche posted on the Open Minds forum 17 OCT 10 included the following:

“The first time I worked for CEA, Steve Stenson (ex-AFFTC Edwards AFB Base Commander - Retired Colonel) was the Site Manager and I was Director of Engineering. When I came back USAF Col. Ret. Barry Mackean was the site manager and the company had restructured. Also when I came back the Site Manager (Barry) was the defacto 'Director of Engineering.'”


Here is all I have to say on this one

No such person as “Steve Stenson” was ever commander of AFFTC


In one presentation Fouche showed some "KGB materials" and made these claims:

“All the Russian passport, flight cloth badge, KGB badge, the letter from Kiev Russia from the Station Chief, were mine and issued to me for a TS operation.”


I don't think so:

The KGB passport is fake. The cloth badge and the metal badge are also fake, and both are widely available at many Army-Navy surplus stores.

Aliensun
Frankly, this video will make little difference in the Fouche saga as it continues to roll along. People that believe that he knew all about the highly, highly secret mechanics that powers the triangles--TR3Bs according to him--won't want to give up those beliefs. They, and probably he, will have multiple excuses to spin...on.

You may have seen the post by Ed Fouche on The Outpost Forum that I mentioned in my OP, stating that he was just "making fun of" the people he was talking with.

The subsequent discussion on that forum indicates that a number of people accept his explanation.

reply to post by IsaacKoi"Former Area 51 Employee" Ed Fouche - Recorded on video saying he is a liar



And we're expected to believe his claim?

draknoir2
And we're expected to believe his claim?

Which claim? His claims for the last decade regarding crashed UFOs and about secret projects at Area 51 and? Or his claim in the video that he has lied? Or his most recent claim that he was just "making fun" of other people when he made the claims in the video?

IsaacKoi

draknoir2
And we're expected to believe his claim?

Which claim? His claims regarding crashed UFOs and about secret projects at Area 51 and? Or his claim that he lied? Or his claim that he was just making fun of other people when he claimed that he lied?

edit on 26-11-2013 by IsaacKoi because: (no reason given)

Exactly.

ThePeaceMaker

Sorry short and sweet but everything you just wrote .. Did that really happen ?

See from 11:28 in the following video.



"Ever seen a convertible aircraft?' "You like that picture?" He even bets a coke drink for anyone to tell him what it is. He then goes waffling off back into his script without mentioning it again. If there had been real aviation enthusiasts in that audience he would have looked like an idiot. No doubt he would have dismissed it being an image taken from an F-15 cockpit!

From the transcription of the presentation from his own webpage. Obviously he is trying to present it to the audience as one of the 'convertible aircraft types' that he claims to have knowledge of.

SLIDE 77: Strange picture of aircraft with pilot’s head in open.

'Presentation By Edgar Rothschild Fouche

International UFO Congress

Laughlin, Neveda 1998'

www.whale.to...

reply to post by tommyjo


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Awesome! Convertible aircraft! I just won myself a coke!

What a complete knob.

reply to post by IsaacKoi


Hi Isaac thank you for bringing this to our attention, I do have a slight problem with the video from Alien Scientist (Dan Hilton) its editited to show certain parts which could well have been made to be out of context for some kind of agenda/reason ? It would be good to see the unedited video, so that we can see exactly what was said and the un-edited responses.

According to Fouches response on the outpost forum, he claims they recorded 2 hrs of footage (illegally) but all we have is an edited 8 min video, so I propose we should be asking Dan Hilton to provide the full unedited recording.

I feel its important to see both sides of the story when it comes to videos like this as there seems to be some bad blood here.

reply to post by uforn

I am Dan Benkert the guy who is in the video with Edgar Fouche and David Hilton. I have a copy of the original video. Jeremy Rys aka The Alienscientist took the video after a major argument he had with Edgar Fouche and heavily edited the video to say exactly what Jeremy wanted this to be presented to try to trash Fouche out of anger. Notice the video disappeared i wonder why I know why its slander and I'm ashamed to have been listed as a part of it.

I can tell you this video lasted well over an hour and was compressed to 6 minutes of heavily edited and skewed garbage!! Ed was repeating what I had personally asked him to say when Ed said "He was a lying ...". In the video I had told Ed Fouche about my concerns of The PTB watching everything we have talked about on that particular video so I asked Ed to say he was a "Lying MFer" so it let us meaning me and David Hilton off the hook for what Ed had stated.

This video was designed to make a fool out of Ed and Ed was recorded by Hilton not myself and Ed maintains he had no clue never in the video which I have a full copy does david say hey Ed im recording you. Ed suffers from chronic Diabetes and major problems with his back and also he has a dacron graft from the 1970s holding his aorta together. He suffers from a lack of sleep due to PTSD this was filmed in the morning after Ed had been up for 2 days and was on his pain meds and a number of medications he has to take to stay alive and had been drinking. Drinking is common among guys who held the highest levels of security in classified programs and or have PTSD. This video was shot in the early morning of February 2013. If this video was the way The Alienscientist presented it why did he wait almost a year to post the video? I know both guys and am friends with both but when an injustice is done and my name is included I have the right to tell what really happened.

And the statement about the convertible aircraft was a joke didn't anyone else get that ? Ed has a sense of humor he's not a robot a human being and also Ed had only 24 hrs to get that whole presentation together and the slides got out of order and the low lighting conditions caused some technical problems. Eds documents speak for themselves its a felony to produce false documents. The proper designation for Area-51 has been Air Force Flight Test Center Detachment 3 or (AFFTC DET-3). Now with that in mind I'm going to post the document which is a review of Edgar Fouches which says he was TDY Temporary Duty Assignment at AFFTC Detachment-3 the whole summer of 1979 gee what were they working on at Groom back then that required Ed to be their the whole summer? When I originally posted this document years ago on The old OMF Forum I was approached and harassed by some agency who I'm not 100% sure so I don't want to guess but I have an idea.

Edgar Fouches Review which mentions his TDY from 1 June 1979 to 14 August 1979 at AFFTC DET-3 aka Area-51. I have tried to use my photobucket to install the picture of Eds Document on here. I have noticed its changed since I last posted on here long ago. Until I figure this out or if someone could loan me a hand here I will post the direct link below to my photobucket showing the document.
s1183.photobucket.com...

If anyone is interested in the truth about Edgar Fouche feel free to ask. I know him better than almost anyone and he's 100% telling you what he can. My question to a skeptic is what are the Triangles being seen all over the country? I have several friends and witnessed to Ed speaking about the TR-3B as far back as the late 1980s Early 1990s. I have had govt. trolls try to skew my views of Fouche and they went to great lengths to do so why you wouldn't believe the rollercoaster ride it has been but Eds 100% genuine.

Also in any court of Law a police officer can testify and have a person put away for the rest of their lives. In the Year 2000 a number of Police officers chased a perfect TR3B Flying Triangle that was massive through Illinois. The YouTube video is called "UFOs Over Illinois" Have a look below and watch and you can investigate further on your own theres info and drawings of the craft they saw and they all look identical to a TR-3B in the year 2000 remember Eds book was out in the mid 1990s and his first presentation was at the IUFOC in Laughlin NV in 1998 2 years before this incident took place.




BigPappy51