reply to post by IsaacKoi
I have always been extremely skeptical of Fouche. Many of his claims were questionable or misleading.
One such item was what he called the SAC-DARPA Letter. Here is how he describes it:
“First DARPA (Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency) asked that I be available until 1987). This was in regards to Area 51. Notice the DoD,
Department of Defense seal, and not the USAF or SAC seal. Since I was assigned to SAC Hq., DARPA’s request went to them. This letter is SAC’s (DoD
office) response to the request. The first blackened out part is a classified assignment SCI/SAP code. The second blackened out part is my SSN. AAR is
After Action Request, refers to a classified program. This was blackened out by me as the specific AAR is classified TS. The last blackened area is
because in has classification information and is also stamped Top Secret. And also the name of the senior NCO is blackened out, but BigPappy, (Danny
B), and Mark Hall, Jeremy (alienscientist.com), Eddie Curry, and Bill Handel and others saw this document before it was blackened out. I’m on the
thin grey line on this but am willing to post it.” I thought I had destroyed all my classified documents. This was a surprise discovery for me. To
most this will not prove or mean anything. But it shows that DARPA thought I was special and wanted me to be available until my retirement date.”
Now, here are my comments:
This letter is UNCLASSIFIED. It was never marked as classified material (no classification markings, no control number, no Copy X of Y).
There is nothing unusual about the letterhead. Use of the DoD seal is standard.
The letter was signed by the NCO in Charge, Airman Aircraft Maintenance Assignments Section, Office of the Directorate of Assignments, Deputy Chief of
Staff for Personnel.
The letter was sent to the Quality Control and Evaluation Division, office code LGMQ.
Where it says REPLY TO: DARPA, this might be a five-letter office code (such as DPAQR, the Command Records Branch at SAC HQ).
This letter simply indicates that the Air Force Manpower and Personnel Center (AFMPC) has approved an After Action Review (or Report), a professional
discussion of an event, focused on performance standards, that enables soldiers/airmen to discover for themselves what happened, why it happened, and
how to sustain strengths and improve on weaknesses. It is a tool that commanders and units can use to get maximum benefit from every mission or
Fouche showed a photo of a stealth fighter in a hangar at Area 51, with these comments:
“Early static prototype of a very Top Secret F-117 at the very classified Groom AB. We called it ‘Have Blue’ back then. This smaller
proof-of-concept model of the F-117 first flew at Groom in December 1977. Testing of a series of ultra-secret prototypes continued there until
mid-1981. (Edgar Fouche was stationed at Nellis AFB from 76-80). Groom was a short airplane or helicopter ride from Nellis AFB. The guy to the left of
Edgar Fouche is Bob Green, Avionics & Computer Engineer, and C*A employee. The little guy to the right of Edgar Fouche is CMSgt. Billy Snodgrass (A&E
specialist) who has a niece who was a well-known actress. Edgar Fouche worked with Bob at the Flight Operational Test & Evaluation (FOT&E) center at
Edwards AFB (CA) where they did R&D on the F-111, F-15 & F-15 Streak Eagle, A-9, A-10, original B-1, and other still classified prototypes. We also
worked together at Nellis AFB & Groom AB (NV), and we both had offices at Kelly AFB (TX) in the mid 80s when I was the SAC Liaison. Bob was in Saudi
and Diego Garcia during both Iraqi wars. Now retired. No I can’t tell you where I got all of my photos. It’s pretty obvious. The guy who took this
photo worked for Bob Green.”
Again, here are my comments:
This is not HAVE BLUE. It is the first YF-117A SENIOR TREND prototype.
Edwards AFB was home of the Air Force Flight Test Center.
Does he mean Snodgress? (as in Carrie Snodgress). A former Lockheed employee I spoke with identified this man as Roy Wilson.
A former Lockheed employee said, "Under the right wing, the person with the blue checkered shirt I think is Jimmy Yates, mechanic. The person facing
him with the light shirt I think is Bill Blackwood, crew chief, and the next person with the flight jacket on is Roy Wilson, structures mechanic, and
under the left wing facing towards the camera I think is Randy Duffy, either an electrician or technician. I don't know the person on top of the A/C,
or the two people under the left center of the A/C or the fireman."
From another source: "The Agency was not cleared on the program in the early days, which that [photo] appears to be. I heard that Ben Rich in his
inimitable manner got in trouble when he went to Langley (not the AFB) without getting clearance to do so and talked about the program in an attempt
to drum up business."
A message Fouche posted on the Open Minds forum 17 OCT 10 included the following:
“The first time I worked for CEA, Steve Stenson (ex-AFFTC Edwards AFB Base Commander - Retired Colonel) was the Site Manager and I was Director of
Engineering. When I came back USAF Col. Ret. Barry Mackean was the site manager and the company had restructured. Also when I came back the Site
Manager (Barry) was the defacto 'Director of Engineering.'”
Here is all I have to say on this one
No such person as “Steve Stenson” was ever commander of AFFTC
In one presentation Fouche showed some "KGB materials" and made these claims:
“All the Russian passport, flight cloth badge, KGB badge, the letter from Kiev Russia from the Station Chief, were mine and issued to me for a TS
I don't think so:
The KGB passport is fake. The cloth badge and the metal badge are also fake, and both are widely available at many Army-Navy surplus stores.