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Of the over 25 Shinobi Ryuha the Iga Ryu and the Koga Ryu were the most prominent ones.
A Brief History of Ninjutsu
(Extracts of an interview with Saito Soke, 16th Grandmaster Iga Ryu Ninjutsu)
There were more than 25 ninjutsu ryuha, and among them the most prominent styles were Iga Ryu and Koga Ryu. Later came Kishu Ryu and this came from Iga/Koga Ryu, and was merely a branch of these styles. Initially there were only 2 major ryuha and they were Iga Ryu and Koga Ryu. The next styles were Koyo Ryu and Ninko Ryu, and these came from the middle parts of the rugged mountain area of Honshu. The content of the documents of Koyo Ryu and Ninko Ryu were simplistic in comparison to documents of the Iga Ryu and Koga Ryu. The techniques of the Koyo Ryu and Ninko Ryu were often very simple and are still techniques used by the Yamabushi (they are still linked to the Yamabushi Heiho). If the styles of the Iga Ryu and Koga Ryu are examined closely there are only very subtle differences between them. Iga Ryu and Koga Ryu are infact the same style and are of perfect similarity, even differences in the kanji characters are minimal.
exactly the self important statement i would expect.
i have been for many years now researching a pre ww2 group called the kokuryukai. black dragon society.
i have ammassed a wealth of documents, none of which i brought with me to japan, but very interesting stuff.
now im looking to chat with anyone who thinks they know more about this. bear in mind before you contact me, i have nearly 30 years of experience with this. so no time wasters please.
All I can say is I wish I could help those who have been victimized by them. You would find it hard to believe what these people are capable of unless you witness what they do and who they are for yourselves. If anyone wants to talk to me about any of this including illuminism, satanism, gangland stalking (cult-based stalking) or know someone who needs help, let me know. Thank you. I am taking a risk posting this but it gets old after a while, don't you think?
well my involvement does show cruelty but satanism? since i have never seen any evidence any of them believed in christ or satan i find that one hard to believe.
if you wish to discuss this in private feel free u2u. i can give u my email address via that method should you choose to discuss this.
Probably taken right before the older Samurai took the younger Samurai off for some "love training".
Bi-Do...Samurai had as many names for man-boy-love as Eskimos have for snow.
Long over romanticized view of people with questionable morality (basically Mercs)...give me an AR15 in just about every other scenario except a small confined space.
Metal work is unquestionably brilliant but I would question their monicker as "best trained fighters ever"..reckon Pirates or Ninjas would give them a run for their money (LOL)
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exactly the self important statement i would expect.
Not a self important statement. If I were to say "assuming that anyone studying kyudo ever tells the truth." That would be an obvious attempt at insulting you, so don't try to play innocent and then continue insulting me.
But, since you wanted to continue insulting let me actually point at who has been really lying here.
Yes, I am aware you discuss this in another thread but you wanted to keep trying insulting me so I will prove who is a liar.
Let's start with your claim that you have been researching the Kokuryukai (Black Dragon Society) for 30 years. In fact, let me even excerpt your claims to prove my point.
I am only excerpting part of your claims that prove who is/has been lying.
how does any of that prove any lies. nothing i siad was untrue, from my experience.
at best it shows we have different sources for our investigation. it shows that we have come at the same issues from different directions.
you really got offended by something. im not sure where you saw me imply you were lying, i was only pointing out those "clans" are not accepted as authentic by the bodies in japan that regulate these things.
now as to my experience, i dont really mind what you believe. but to assume you are dealing with ninja, should be to assume that at some point they will feed you something misleading or to test.
you wouldnt talk to a CIA operative about his training or work and assume that its truth.
if you took my statement about not trusting your sources completely as an insult, then you seem to have some real insecurity issues, either about yourself or your training.
my personal contact with those who told me they were black dragon goes back to 1978.
but again, with any of these things, its pays not to believe anything and instead try to find out for yourself.
as i said, in everything i had touched, i saw no satanism. they worship no western deities. they have thier own entire off shoot of shinto and buddhism.
now if you are one of those christians who believe any idolatory is witchcraft and satanism, then by that definition you will be right.
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Like Viking's. They are depicted as dripping with manliness, bad-ass, super buff warriors wielding 6 ft battle azes.
Yet media would leave out the rape, plunder, and murder. That part is not so badass, so they leave it out.
The probability that the samurai pictured here ever saw actual combat is very small.
These pictures were taken in the late 1800's when Japan was opening itself to the west, a time when the 'way of the sword' was in decline.
Many of the westerners who took these pictures lived and worked in Japan's large cities. Most of the samurai that were photographed in this period were either officials or lower ranking retainers, very few of them were actual swordsmen in the sense that they dedicated their lives to perfecting their martial skills.
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