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AfterInfinity
reply to post by Greatest I am
Fellowship usually includes reciprocity. One who perpetually serves and is never served back cannot say that he is in fellowship with the other. He is subservient to him. Right?
Making my arguments for me! Bravo! Yes, I do agree. There is a reason that if ever I desire salvation, it will not be the Christian salvation. There are several reasons, actually, but this is one of them.
Greatest I am
SasquatchHunter
Greatest I am
Does God and his --- Obey or Die law--- say that Christians are to be slaves forever?
If not, when does your slavery to God or Satan end?
In a discussion of God’s murder of Adam and Eve, a Christian said the following.
“My understanding is that they were created innocent with the hope of the reward for life if they obeyed and the consequence of death if they didn't.”
What this Christian said I believe is true Christian dogma and tradition.
I believe that it basically shows Christians with characters or egos that want to be or will settle for perpetual slavery.
As Paul says, be a slave to sin or a slave to God.
My reply was basic and true to his, ---- Obey or die, statement.
“IOW. Be my slave and do as you are told or die.”
If true, then who in their right mind would or should ever want to be a Christian?
Do Christians want to be free men and women or slaves to a God who creates us ill and demands we be well, ----- or suffer his punishment of death?
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Was man created to be a slave and to obey or die?
The sin of Eve and Adam was to decide to be educated and wise instead of just slaves to ignorance.
Were Adam and Eve murdered by neglect by a callous God just because they wanted their eyes opened and to exercise the free will that Christians say God gave us?
The Christians God and his --- Obey or Die --- says that Christians are to be slaves forever.
If not, when does your slavery to God or Satan end?
Regards
DL
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God is the creator of the universe who exists outside of it space and time..... HOW CAN GOD MURDER ANYTHING?
If that's the case you committed murder when you edited your post and deleted key strokes. How many innocent stickman drawings have been murdered???? Where is their justice?
No one is Gods slave you have freewill and your mind and body belongs to you. The soul is by default a gift offered from God but the soul belongs to God he already gave you a mind and body to do with as you please. If you choose the gift of eternal life it is of your own freewiil.
So Peter was lying then was he?
How can a slave to God have free will? A & E did not have it or the first time they did their will and not God's he threw his fit and murdered them by neglect.
Regards
DL
coldlikecustard
reply to post by SasquatchHunter
Not a murderer?
I beg to differ
God takes away Adam and Eve's eternal life, thus committing the first murder,
He holds their descendants responsible visiting Adam and Eve's punishment down on their children.
God's tenth plague upon the Israelites was the unjustified murder of all firstborn sons in Egypt, which undoubtedly included little children.
God orders the Levites to kill their "every man and his neighbor" for worshipping another god. This cost 3000 lives. (Exodus 32:27
God kills Onan for refusing to impregnate his late brother's (whom God also slew) wife and instead "spilling his seed on the ground." (Genesis 38:8-10)
God kills over 50,000 people for looking at an ark. (1 Samuel 6:19)
God kills 70,000 people because King David decided to have a census. (1 Chronicles 21:7-14)
It seems to me that God is a murderer but hey if he is real you need not reply to me for he will have already stuck me down with some kind of punishment of his own for having used my free will to determine he sounds like one big ass right?
AfterInfinity
There is a reason that if ever I desire salvation, it will not be the Christian salvation. There are several reasons, actually, but this is one of them.
I believe that it basically shows Christians with characters or egos that want to be or will settle for perpetual slavery.
God exists outside of space time reality and the universe.
leostokes
reply to post by Greatest I am
I believe that it basically shows Christians with characters or egos that want to be or will settle for perpetual slavery.
Your stated belief raises many replies in my mind.
History proves that man can not live together in peace and harmony.
I have to say that you make a great mistake when you rely on the word of christians for the truth of the Bible.
Do you not see that if you follow any faction they may lead you straight to hell. When you get to hell you plead "but I followed the pope". The gate keeper answers "the pope lacks qualification". You backed the wrong horse. Look, all factions present themselves as god's anointed, do they not? The factions of the popes claim that their church is official because it was founded by Peter. Clearly the factions of organized religion cannot all be the chosen few. If they were they would live in peace and harmony. History shows they don't. Catholics slaughtered each other in WWII.
There is no faction for you. What do you do? You make up your own mind for yourself. Then when you go to hell (or heaven) there is no one to blame but yourself.
Why do the different factions claim divinity for themselves? Arrogance. Ego. Greed.
History proves that men can not live together in peace and harmony. Why? The answer seems easy to me. Arrogance.
I myself am not an authority. Do not follow me anywhere. I do not want the responsibility.
The first and great commandment is to love thy God with all thy heart and sole.
This requires that you abandon your ego and acknowledge God. You will have lifted the burden from your sole and set it free. You are a slave to no one. You and the others like you can live in peace and harmony in our creator's kingdom. You think you know what makes you happy. You believe this because of your ego. The first commandment is our creator telling you that He is the one that knows what makes you happy.
Eve (and Adam) did not do this. Satan taught them arrogance. We inherited ego from The first couple.
Perhaps you think you are not arrogant. We are here in a forum called ATS. People post comments. Why? Their ego tells them they have the knowledge of good and evil. They are the authority on the topic.
Read any post (including your own and mine) and look for evidence of arrogance. You will find it in abundance.
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ketsuko
144,000 are sealed to get through the Tribulation in safety. Things are much less sure for the rest of us, we may or may not survive to the end. But it says nothing about who is or is not saved forever. You can die on the first day of the Trib and still be saved.
NewAgeMan
reply to post by Greatest I am
Christianity and the work of Christ is all about liberation and freedom that we might be set free for the sake of freedom to freely love as we are loved.
There is no need for a socio-political structure, in heaven. God's love and it's unassailable and indomitable reason forms it's own self governance.
It's very funny and beautiful and magnificent, but some are at odds with it, and who would, if they could place God in the dock and subject him to a false judgement, I certainly wouldn't want to be in the shoes of that prosecuting attorney!
You better hope for your sake that God has a great sense of humor and a very very deep well of mercy.
AfterInfinity
reply to post by NewAgeMan
So you're just going.to ignore the scripture in the op?
Greatest I am
AfterInfinity
reply to post by NewAgeMan
So you're just going.to ignore the scripture in the op?
Theists have to ignore much of scriptures and their own morality to be able to stomach their genocidal son murdering God.
Regards
DL
WarminIndy
reply to post by Greatest I am
They were murdered by neglect?
If you recall, they did have access to the tree of life before and didn't eat from it and were never commanded not to...so too bad so sad on their part.
Murder by neglect? From the Garden and now had to work? Do you equate working to being murdered by God?
They became slaves to the ground, of which their bread would come from. They became slaves to the work of their own hands and the sweat of their brow. When does that ever end? Oh yes, in the end.
If God wanted, He could have made the earth not produce anything, but He didn't, so man still was able to eat. You are a slave to the sweat of your brow until someone else does it for you or you die.