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The "Alien Disinformation Campaign"

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posted on Nov, 24 2013 @ 11:26 AM
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Hi,

I thought I'd share some thoughts on this subject.

May You Live in Interesting Times'

This "Chinese curse" (see link) has always fascinated me since
I first heard it when I was a little boy. It is in fact a perfect
example of the "Magician's Trick" or Psyop. It's the very
definition of "Look here! Look here!" All the while the "real
action" is going on elsewhere. This is also why I love the
"Little Red Wagon Story" so much. But on to the subject
material.

Now I'm not going to discuss what is being "hidden"; what the
"real truth is"; I've done some of that in other posts, and as
things come into clearer focus (if they do), I'll continue with
those threads. This post discusses a broad overview of the
Disinformation Campaign itself.

I suppose the first thing to mention, is that as we know, humans
seem to be stuck in a rut. History seems to repeat itself endlessly.
We watch empires form and fall; and none of them learn how to
avoid that cycle. In fact most of the same things seem to take
those empires down. Yet we form empires and watch them fall
endlessly. Now it is certainly true that the problem is humans
themselves; that we have evolved a certain way, and that we are
much the same today as we were 200,000 years ago. Oh sure
we have evolved in some ways, but the deep hungers, the deep
perceptual biases seem unchanged.

Looking back over the course of human history, something seems
obvious to me. There is always *something* which catches human
attention and directs it away from what matters. Now what matters
is open to debate; but perhaps learning to live in peace and not
destroying our environment might be a good start (humans have
destroyed their environment on a local basis since day one). But
this isn't about solutions in this thread, but identifying the disinfo
campaign.

Looking back in the past, some of the following seem classic elements
of the disinfo campaign:

1) "the other guy" is evil and wants to take your stuff! Help me kill him
so that you'll be distracted and then *I* can take your stuff!

2) "we have god on our side" and can do whatever we want to the other
guy! We are righteous and the guy whose stuff we want is a HEATHEN!
And while you are in a religious frenzy, I can control you utterly and
take your stuff!

3) We are on the side of GOOD and everyone who disagrees with us is on the
side of EVIL! Since they are EVIl they are 'coming for us'! You will be so
hypnotized by this 'conspiracy' that I could steal your pants while you are
wearing them, and you'd never notice it!

4) Supernatural GOOD and Supernatural EVIl exists! The world doesn't matter;
what matters is the NEXT WORLD! While you moon and sign about the next
world, I can burn down THIS ONE and you won't even care!

5) "Democrats" are Evil. Republicans are Evil. While you doofuses fight it out,
I'll keep printing money and giving it to myself! I'll transfer all your assets
to myself while you are fighting, until I own your bare naked ass entirely!

6) The World is an Illusion! Don't believe in it! Your fate is to reincarnate
for most of eternally "to get better 1 inch at a time"; while you are suffering
gracefully and preventing yourself from feeling (it's attachment! bad attachment!)
I'll control your very essence almost forever.. and control your world.. and you'll
thank me that the Earth is a school!

7) I'll create all these conspiracies! The Illuminati is my favorite! Reptilian aliens
and rogue planets full of aliens lurking in the solar system is another favorite!
"Angels" screwing our Earth women! Oh boy! that will get you hypnotized by
that for 2,000 years!

8) So you are starting to get jaded with all the other conspiracies, lies and
deceptions are you? Well I got it! Aliens! in Ships (tee hee). The nearest
REAL aliens that have ray guns are 5 galaxies away! No problem! I'll just
materialize ships for you.. and the closer you get to one, the farther away
you'll be from catching one or proving one! Oh my! This is the most delicious
thing yet! And what's the biggest gas of all? I'll siphon your very beings to
power this little pony ride! Look at the alien.. Look at the alien.. and don't
see the one pulling the strings..

9) Enlightenment! Now that's the other one that is so delicious. You use your
free will to reach out to grab 'energy'! You want 'energy'? sure.. here is
some.. it's wiggling and has a tail too! Only you won't notice that will
you? Oh look! your mind Is adapting to this 'symbiote' you pulled into
your brain. It's neural plasticity is invigorating your speech centers.. and
making you babble enlightenment nonsense nonstop! You really don't
know jack.. but you won't ever stop telling people about it.. as long as
you wear that 'enlightenment title' I own you! How delicious. Now is
there real spiritual evolution? Sure. But I won't let knowledge about that
which might free you into the world! I'll fill the world with 'holy books'
and your Amazon full of 'get enlightened now books!" Oh the printing
press was my best invention until the Internet! Ah the Internet.. the
beginning of my robot army!

Now the 21st century is particularly eye-opening. As one disinfo campaign
weakens.. another pops up to take it's place.. just when people are finally
coming to realize that Masonry is a boring old guys club, why then Hollywood
stars are now working for the Illuminati.

People are starting to disbelieve that physical UFO's exist? Well then lets
show them how they are energy balls instead! That will get them focusing
on UFO's for another 50 years! Even scientists who don't believe in physical
UFO's due to an understanding of basic physics, will eventually believe in
'precognitive sentient phenomenon'! They'll think that it has something to
do with energy plasmas and quantum effects! Now of course the same
phenomenon --- "us" and our ability to materialize things has been behind
all of these phenomena since day one.. so this is a DANGEROUS psyop we
are playing here.. someone might figure this out.. but we just need another
50 years.. so there is no other choice.. we have run out of ridiculous
distractions.. this lie is so close to the truth it will be the most effective
of all! I'll drop some hints to a few Generals and even in ATS! Gosh that
is my favorite place on the Internet!

Ok.. that's all for now.. I just wanted to provoke thought and discussion.

KPB




posted on Nov, 24 2013 @ 12:35 PM
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The earth is a school, all of the games that are played on us just happen to be the product of lower level third density energy that we are meant to rise above. Sounds crazy, but thanks to quantum physics we are finally starting to realize that we live in a crazy universe.

The light balls in the sky are nothing new, remember the foo fighters, hell even Christopher Columbus saw a ufo in the sky that he said looked like a candle.

I like the way you think outside the box, keep it up!



posted on Nov, 24 2013 @ 12:51 PM
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What I think is fun is the "what's disinfo, and who's the disinfo agent" game that so often gets played.

It's like Godwin's Law, except, given the length of any discussion on any topic, the chances of one party claiming the other as either buying into, selling, or representing "disinformation" increases.

Such arguments are usually filled with words like "Truth", "Open Mind", "Shill", and other such which typically makes the one that's making such accusations look like a delusional nutter that should spend some time backing away from the keyboard for awhile.

It's always fun to see on which side of the argument the finger gets pulled out and pointed from first.



Why so much emotional investment? I always wonder. I mean, does it really matter if someone agrees with or disputes such fringe topics THAT much?
It's all fine and good and well to have beliefs in things, and stuff, and things, but, come on. Some folk just get a little too serious.




posted on Nov, 24 2013 @ 01:00 PM
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What I think is fun is the "what's disinfo, and who's the disinfo agent" game that so often gets played.


Yes, isn't it though? I realize that you might view yourself as a 'debunker'
of things that I write --- only I rarely entirely disagree with you. When
you discuss black letter science I generally agree. When you discount
the possibility that science is missing something; that is also science
but is not understood yet; then we disagree.

Now, which of these things are actual disinfo? That's always the question.
One could simply say that all of these things are simple phenotypic
outcomes of the human genotype; simple outcomes of evolutionary
psychology and cultural evolution and a few misunderstood facets of
nature such as plasma dynamics.

I'd certainly not be insulted (I nearly can't be insulted anway) if someone
wanted to harp on basics like this. But due to personal experiences I've
had, that for me at least, cannot be denied or interpreted differently
(bones breaking etc.) I of necessity have a more nuanced view.

Thanks for a great response as always.

KPB



posted on Nov, 24 2013 @ 01:02 PM
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The light balls in the sky are nothing new, remember the foo fighters, hell even Christopher Columbus saw a ufo in the sky that he said looked like a candle.


I never said they were new.. and was aware of both of your references.
But those balls of light seem to be more common these days.. or at least
more commonly reported upon.. perhaps it's just because people are so
hungry for UFO's that they report any little thing.

KPB



posted on Nov, 24 2013 @ 01:18 PM
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KellyPrettyBear
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Yes, isn't it though? I realize that you might view yourself as a 'debunker'
of things that I write --- only I rarely entirely disagree with you. When
you discuss black letter science I generally agree. When you discount
the possibility that science is missing something; that is also science
but is not understood yet; then we disagree.


I don't think Alice is discounting the possibility that there are plenty of things science does not know. Thats self evident. If we knew everything we would not have to do science. There would be no need. We'd have all the answers to every question available at her fingertips.

What you seem to be suggesting is that Alice take a leap of "faith" to "believe" something for which there is not very good evidence in support of.

That's far different. Her reluctance to take that leap of faith has to do with staying firmly within the realm of reality rather than imaginative speculation.

Simply saying, "we don't know" does not open the door to "anything is possible." There are constraints on the possible.

The difference between imaginative speculation (sometimes perhaps loosely based on science) and science itself is that the former asks for you to "believe" or rather "suspend disbelief" while taking it on "faith" while the latter says, "here is what we know, here is how we know what we know. here is what we don't know, here's how i propose we find out what we don't know."
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posted on Nov, 24 2013 @ 01:37 PM
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I never thought about Ms. White what you said. I guess
it might have been interpretable that way --- then sorry.

I do realize that I'm on the 'speculative side'. Only I have
information that backs up this speculation. Only it's difficult
to share this information via the medium of science.

That's the rub when mystics try to talk with scientists. Since
I'm something of both, I understand this very well.

I don't know if you and Ms. White realize it, or could possibly
even see it; but I'm 100% on your side.. the side of science..
only I have this other data to investigate and bring into the
realm of science.. and it's a hum dinger to do so.. I realize
that 90% of what people talk about of a mystical nature could
easily be classified as mental illness or fantasy wish fulfillment.

But once that 'demon' 'knocks you off your feet' then not all
the science in the world can explain that at this time. Except
in the most pitiful "everything is swamp gas an group delusion"
sort of way.

Please keep in mind that I don't want to live in Carl Sagan's
"demon haunted world" either.. but nobody told the "demons"
that.

KPB



posted on Nov, 24 2013 @ 01:56 PM
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You forgot making peoples lives such a struggle physically that they haven't time to ponder the bigger picture. That serves the manipulators purpose too. Plato's Cave explains that well enough.

Saying I don't believe in something because I haven't seen it is as narrow minded as chained cave dwellers arguing dancing shadows on a wall.

Further, those chained cavers are happy to go on believing their fed lies, by the time they grow up enough to have a cognitive mind it has been conditioned to accept the lie as the truth.

The only questions that arise are about the shape and texture of the shadows.



posted on Nov, 24 2013 @ 02:24 PM
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intrptr
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You forgot making peoples lives such a struggle physically that they haven't time to ponder the bigger picture. That serves the manipulators purpose too. Plato's Cave explains that well enough.

Saying I don't believe in something because I haven't seen it is as narrow minded as chained cave dwellers arguing dancing shadows on a wall.

Further, those chained cavers are happy to go on believing their fed lies, by the time they grow up enough to have a cognitive mind it has been conditioned to accept the lie as the truth.

The only questions that arise are about the shape and texture of the shadows.


You are RIGHT. What a great reply. I get so caught up in the 'goofy'
and splashy 'conspiracies' that I sometimes forget about how ugly
things are on the ground right now.

Let me share this with you my friend, I was raised in an abandoned building
and heavily abused. I chopped wood for heat. I grew my own vegetables for
food. I helped my mother can the vegetables. I was abused well into my
30's. I was homeless for about 2 years in my life.. not on the street.. but
sleeping on a rapidly diminishing pool of friends couches. I KNOW what
it's like to suffer. I barely scratched out an existence until I was nearly
40. I will never forget the poor and homeless. NEVER. I much prefer the
company of the homeless than many people's company. When I give them
love they don't show a book in my face. They accept the love.

I myself am partially neutralized by my life circumstances. If I could work
on my heart's desire fulltime - that being to help liberate the human race;
I could be 10x as productive. Hell, I'd go to work for the government if
they'd have me.. and I know what a mixed blessing that would be.

Thanks for your reply.

KPB



posted on Nov, 24 2013 @ 02:34 PM
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Sometimes it actually takes seeking on your own experiences, and using discernment, memories, knowledge, and so when you wade through other people's accounts, as an experiencer yourself, you tend to notice "on" info and "off" info. But its pretty hard to download all this into other people. Each has to seek on their own. Current status of earth is that its a testing world, and disclosure is on a one by one basis for those who put effort into it. And that involves having love and a platform already in you to be able to discern. I notice alot of people missing that.

So, on that basis, what's more important for many, seeking ufology info, or seeking to turn up their dial on love, see through the world, and regain a more pure and discerning heart, remembering more of home, getting more of a sense of understanding others....???

Now with that being said, people who are experiencing aren't going to just shut up so that those who can't get on the same page, start to grow their love and awareness and discernment more.

We're not in a homogizned school, we're in a very diverse school with souls on different levels and searching for different things.

Thats why we all get to speak our truth because it will resonate with some. And its especially why one person can't speak for ufology, speak for anything really, and has no rights to clip people's wings or put all of humanity into their box, there are 7 billion people here, and 7 billion boxes, some already have windows a b and c open, they're here to open other ones.

We need a world of where everyone is empowered and speaks up, not a world where we average out to the lowest denominator.



posted on Nov, 24 2013 @ 02:39 PM
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Each has to seek on their own. Current status of earth is that its a testing world, and disclosure is on a one by one basis for those who put effort into it.


That's a great sentence. Thanks for that response.

KPB



posted on Nov, 24 2013 @ 02:42 PM
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Odramacare is this distraction you are referring too!!

 


Energy Balls!!

Show us what you are made off! Contains ball lightning!!
www.youtube.com/watch?v=qevVKCIAdwM
www.youtube.com...


At Time in video 0:59, amazing!

Power lines causing fire balls ( live news video )
www.youtube.com/watch?v=xy-vnXSUN88
www.youtube.com...


UFO caught heading into a tornado. Amazing footage!
www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcDkUM4_sdM
www.youtube.com...

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posted on Nov, 24 2013 @ 02:46 PM
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AbleEndangered
Odramacare is this distraction you are referring too!!


You are right. Its a wealth transfer scheme as well.

KPB



posted on Nov, 24 2013 @ 02:51 PM
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intrptr

Saying I don't believe in something because I haven't seen it is as narrow minded as chained cave dwellers arguing dancing shadows on a wall.


Reality is not subject to a belief system. Nor is it based on self perception.

Example: You don't need to see radiation to know it exists and will exist whether you "believe in it" or not. Radiation does not care what you believe.

Thats a fundamental tenant of what is real vs what is not.

I would not need to see an alien spacecraft myself to believe it is real but you better damn well have some good evidence that can be tested and retested by qualified people before I say, "ok, that's an alien spacecraft."

Truth does not discriminate either.

There is no such thing as, "well I have my own truth, yours may vary."

A truth is something like 2 + 2 = 4.

It doesn't matter where in the universe you are, what your perception is, whether you even have hands to count on. 2+2 = 4 and never will = 5 or 3.

That's the definition of truth. It's not subject to your perception. Truth is objective, not subjective for that very reason.
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posted on Nov, 24 2013 @ 02:54 PM
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JadeStar
I don't think Alice is discounting the possibility that there are plenty of things science does not know. Thats self evident. If we knew everything we would not have to do science. There would be no need. We'd have all the answers to every question available at her fingertips.

What you seem to be suggesting is that Alice take a leap of "faith" to "believe" something for which there is not very good evidence in support of.

That's far different. Her reluctance to take that leap of faith has to do with staying firmly within the realm of reality rather than imaginative speculation.

Simply saying, "we don't know" does not open the door to "anything is possible." There are constraints on the possible.

The difference between imaginative speculation (sometimes perhaps loosely based on science) and science itself if that the former acts for you to "believe" or rather "suspend disbelief" while taking it on "faith" while the latter says, "here is what we know, here is how we know what we know. here is what we don't know, here's how i propose we find out what we don't know."


Some of this is in reply to JadeStar, and some is exposition for the general ATS readership:

Yes.

There's also quite a bit of confusion and misunderstanding that goes on in some circles when it comes to Science. For instance, we constantly see confusion over the Language of Science, particularly words like "Theory", and a near complete blindness to terminology such as "probability", "indication", "likelihood", etc.

Further, we see an abundance of rationalizing a justification in support of a fringe concept due a complete misunderstanding of paradigms and terminologies like Thermodynamics, or Quantum behaviors all only loosely "understood" in laymen terms then applied, or even redefined with fringe shaped carnival mirror glasses.

We see "Vibrational Frequency", all too often, which is like saying the same word twice, where it originally came into fringe usage due loose laymen understanding of radio frequencies and was hijacked/adopted in adding a sciency sounding term. Later re-rationalization and re-justification predictably came around again with laymen descriptions of String Theory.

When Science isn't being distorted and misinterpreted to rationalize something, it's being distorted and misinterpreted often willfully so and even personified as some demonic twisted religion to be blamed for killing all the magic in the world.

The term "Open Minded" is also vastly misunderstood.
I, for instance, am "Open Minded" about anything, BUT, I require sufficient evidence on par with the level of fantastic any claim made provides.
If you tell me the sky is made out of paper, I'll retort that we have evidence otherwise and provide sources. I in turn expect similar reply, with LEGITIMATE sources.
Too often, too many expect "Open Minded" to mean blind acceptance just because someone on the internet says it's so. Not here.

There too is the "Rebel" element. If it comes from what the rest of the world terms as "Science", it has to be wrong, because all of that stuff is a smoke screen to cage our minds away from the TRUTH.
We see this all too often in varying degrees as well.
It's from this faction we most often see cries and accusations of "disinformation" and finger pointing at the "status quo".

Also, yes, Science does NOT know everything.
We do, however, know quite a bit, and often enough we know enough, or at least have fair enough likelihood and indication that the current model is more accurate than something else being sold on the fringe.

To quote Feynman: "... it is much more likely that the reports of flying saucers are the results of the known irrational characteristics of terrestrial intelligence than of the unknown rational efforts of extra-terrestrial intelligence.” It is just more likely. That is all.”
Richard Feynman on the Liklihood of Flying Saucers

Where Feynman was talking flying saucers, this likelihood carries over into a whole wide range of other fringe topics.

Convince me otherwise.



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posted on Nov, 24 2013 @ 02:58 PM
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Well said Alice! So very well said! You rock!



posted on Nov, 24 2013 @ 03:15 PM
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What a fantastic post!

Convince you? Are you a child? You can come to whatever
conclusions you wish! I have zero interest in convincing
you of anything.

You have a beautiful grasp on science. You add great value
with your posts. You are lacking a lot of knowledge and
experience that others have -- but that's not your fault.

I wouldn't change one single thought in your head for
all the money in the world.

But thanks for the brilliant, but somewhat incomplete
survey of the situation. And no, I don't want to argue
with you about the incomplete portions and bad
assumptions. You were 95% brilliant and that works
for me!

Thanks,

KPB



posted on Nov, 24 2013 @ 03:19 PM
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You know, if this entire world is a simulation, then everything
would be subjective and everything you said would be wrong.

And there are numerous scientists who are testing that hypothesis
right now.. I've posted links about scientific studies in other posts.

But I don't desire to argue with you either. You are also brilliant
and post much fantastic material.

We all play our separate roles.. and just like I feel no need to
turn everyone into a mystic, I hope you feel no need to turn
everyone into a 'scientist' or they are not to be considered
rational! If that's your position, then you might as well be
forcing communion wafers in people's mouths.

KPB



posted on Nov, 24 2013 @ 03:34 PM
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KellyPrettyBear

9) Enlightenment! Now that's the other one that is so delicious. You use your free will to reach out to grab 'energy'! You want 'energy'? sure.. here is some.. it's wiggling and has a tail too! Only you won't notice that will you? Oh look! your mind Is adapting to this 'symbiote' you pulled into your brain. It's neural plasticity is invigorating your speech centers.. and making you babble enlightenment nonsense nonstop! You really don't know jack.. but you won't ever stop telling people about it.. as long as you wear that 'enlightenment title' I own you! How delicious. Now is there real spiritual evolution? Sure. But I won't let knowledge about that which might free you into the world! I'll fill the world with 'holy books' and your Amazon full of 'get enlightened now books!" Oh the printing press was my best invention until the Internet! Ah the Internet.. the beginning of my robot army!


I just want to chime in here real quick. I experienced some spiritual evolution back in 2010 on the solstice lunar eclipse. It put me into different altered states of consciousness for weeks. Altered states that are described in mystical literature throughout history. A familiarity with comparative mysticism scholarship combined with experience has given me an intuitive insight into the metaphors that mystics use to point to altered states of consciousness. There is a sort of harmony that runs like a thread throughout world religion and myth and mysticism.

Unfortunately, ' knowledge about that which might free you ' can't be directly communicated in words. It can only be pointed to through metaphors, and metaphors change all the time. Mystical metaphors are born, they grow old, and they die.

That's why religion is essentially metaphorical not 'factual', and it is always changing and being re-born in new costumes as culture changes. So, thinking of religion in black-and-white terms of facts or errors or truth-vs-lies is to fall into a kind of trap.

The best way I know of to gain ' knowledge about that which might free you ' is to study the scholarship of comparative religion, comparative mythology, and comparative mysticism and see where that leads you.

"The origins of the discipline of religious studies in nineteenth-century Europe are not primary mystical or even religious. A highly developed secular sense is a sine qua non of the discipline and its social sustainability anywhere on the planet (hence its virtual absense outside the Western academy). I would like, though, to make a restricted and heterodox case that regarding the discipline as a modern mystical tradition could be useful in approaching the constructive tasks being explored in these reflections. In this, I am not suggesting that the discipline must or even should be read in this way.

Rather, I wish only to make the much more restricted, but no less unorthodox, case that some of the discipline's practices and practitioners (that is, those capable of forging a tensive mystical-critical practice out of the discipline's dual Romantic/Enlightenment heritage) can be read in such a way, and that, moreover, such a mystical-critical rereading of the discipline might be useful for the constructive tasks under discussion here, namely, the cross-cultural influence of religious systems toward a safer, more humane, and more religiously satisfying world.

Scholars of religion, it turns out, often have profound religious experiences reading and interpreting the texts they critically study, and these events have consequences for the methods and models they develop, the conclusions they come to, and even for the traditions they study." -Jeffrey Kripal


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posted on Nov, 24 2013 @ 03:53 PM
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That was a GREAT POST.

And you are right.

There is MUCH merit to your approach, for an already
mature mind, which won't get lost in the BS.

As a matter of fact, I did a LONG apprenticeship with
comparative religion myself.. but I never got lost. I
kept my focus.

Unfortunately many people these days don't have the
self-discipline and the maturity to do comparative
religion and gain from it.. You know how most people
seem to want 'fast food spirituality and fast food
answers'.

I spent DECADES something like 25 years studying
religion.. to ferret out every last morsel of any
value.

In fact, you may or may not be reading my arm
wrestling match about Christianity.. but do
you want to know the most POWERFUL
thing I ever took from religion? It was
from Jesus.

Some of those parables from Jesus are awesome.
As a matter of fact, I'd NEVER have figured out
'the problem with evil' without the words
attributed to Jesus.

Ironic, no?

Thanks for your awesome reply.

KPB



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