Want to add some more FACTS here.
1) China member of UNSC, india not
2) China consistently no. 3 and no.4 in Olympics; india has not won a gold metal since LA Olympics and No. 80 in Sydney and only 1 silver in Athens
3) No. 1 FDI; india's is about 1/8 of china's
4) No. 1 cell phone market; india's is about 1/8 of china's
5) No. 2 internet market and don’t know where India ranks
6) No. 3 auto market (on pace to sell 2 million sendans this year, not including commercial vehicles)
8) No. 2 in highway mileage
9) No. 1 in steel production and consumption
10) No. 2 in foreign reserves (around $500 billion while india’s around $130 billion)
11) No. 2 in oil consumption
12) Had nuke since 1964 and India only recently
13) Third country to send a man into space after Russian and USA
14) No. 3 in ship-building and India ?
15) China’s GDP is twice that of India in gross terms, PPP terms or per capital terms
16) China’s military budget is at least 3 times that of India and our: $47 bil vs. $15 bil
17) No. 3 in terms of global trade while India is not even in the top 20; little Ireland trades more than India does.
Today's India and China
India has total of 28 million cellular users as of the end of 2003 and 18 million new users were added in 2003. See
China has total of 270 million cellular users as of the end of 2003 and around 60 million new users were added in the same year. See:
(the news in 08/2003)
Internet users in India: More than 16 million: see: www.internetworldstats.com...
Internet users in China: 78million. See: www.clickz.com...
Broadband users in China:17.4 million. see: www.infoworld.com...
Boroadband users in India: I believe it can be ignored.
Less than 28 million tons of iron and steel was used in 2003 in India (An important index of infrastructure construction. This is the total India
produced in 2003, and India is a net iron & steel exporter)(This is even less than what China produced in 1978 when China began its reform)
China produced around 225 million tons of iron and steel and imported other 35 million tons in 2003 for the construction.
55% of the world cement (Another infrastructure construction index) was used in China. See
China's expressway (at least 4 lanes, speed limit 100KM/hour or 120KM/hour) reaches 30, 000KM. Around 4, 600 KM is being added each year. See:
India just began its first expressway project in 2003: See: timesofindia.indiatimes.com...
India produced around 36 million tons of oil (A natural resource index) in 2003 and will face the resource problem soon.
China produced 160 million tons of oil in 2003 and imported more than 100 million tons in the same year.
Around 30% of Indian male cannot read newspaper and 50% of female cannot read. that means around 40% of Indians cannot read. See
Less than 16% of Chinese cannot read (most of are old person and they missed the education opportunity in the old time). See
India has more arable land than China. Indian produced 250 million tons of grains in 2003 (Thanks for the good weather).
China usually produces 400 million tons of grains each year no matter how tough the weather is (Thanks for the biotech in China).
China: Argriculture: 15% of GDP, Industry 52% of GDP, Manufacturing 35% of GDP, service 33% In 2001
India: Argriculture: 24% of GDP, Industry 27% of GDP, Manufacturing 16% of GDP, service 48% In 2001
These data comes from World Bank. You can conclude that China's industry size is at least 4 times of India's after a very simple calculation. You
can see how little India's industry is.
China's industry increased 16.8% in 2003. See: www.cet.com.cn...
India's increased about 8%.
Speaking of the software industry, China's software industry is the similar size of India. The difference is that Chinese companies rely on domestic
market while India has almost no IT market comparing with the big countries around. China has its own software brands such as KingSoft,
Rising(anti-virus), Jiangming (Anti-virus), RedFlag(Working on Linux), WPS ( office software), Yongyou(Enterprise), KINGDEE (Golden Butterfly in
Chinese) ( Enterprise).
Only 2.3 million PCs were sold in India in 2003. See www.eetimes.com...
More that 13 million of PCs were sold in China in 2003. See biz.yahoo.com...
International trade in 2003
China topped 840B$ (import < export) in 2003. See: english.peopledaily.com.cn...
India: total of 154B$ (export 74B$, import: 80b$, import > export)in 2003. See: www.navhindtimes.com...
Speaking of the technology, Let's compare the super computer because Indians are always claiming India is the second IT country in the world.
China's homemade supercomputer listed as No. 14. But the fastest one used in India is No. 105. It was made by IBM. India's homemade one is listed as
No. 258. Legend (now Lenova) built another more powerful one this year. It can be listed as No. 3 or No. 4. See www.top500.org...
Thanks for the large market scale and the recent progress in the technology, China is trying to set the international or national technology
standards, such as TD_SCDMA, EVD, Wi-Fi. We know the standard can make more and easier money than the simple production.
Total revenue of Wipro(around 1.17B$) and Infosys (0.97B$) in 2003 = the half of Huawei (more than 4.5B$)or ZTE around 4.0b$)
Wipro and Infosys represents India's technology. AS I know Wipro is a conglomerates, not a pure tech company as Huawei and ZTE.
Even Indians claim India is a democratic country. But its corruption is worse than China. China government is treating the corruption issue very
seriously in recent years. see
Another research report said India's corruption is much worse than China too: straitstimes.asia1.com.sg...
Do you believe Democracy works in India?
Chinese culture is much more open than India¡¯s. See the trouble That MacDonald¡¯s, KFC and Coca Cola are suffering:
See the Macdonads¡¯s Business in China:
These two articles were written by the same foreign visitor (sounds like a biz man) after he visited both India and China in the same year (2000).
His view about India: berclo.net...
His impression about China: berclo.net...
He also described so-called Indian democracy in this article: berclo.net...
"India is said to be the world's largest democracy. There is no dispute about its size, one billion is large, but I don't think that a country
whose major priorities in the last 50 years have favored a small minority at the expense of the majority can be called "a democracy". "
Life quality: (See the CIA links above)
Indian Infant mortality rate :
Total: 59.59 deaths/1,000 live births
Female: 58.93 deaths/1,000 live births (2003 est.)
Male: 60.23 deaths/1,000 live births
Chinese Infant mortality rate:
Total: 25.26 deaths/1,000 live births
Female: 25.65 deaths/1,000 live births (2003 est.)
Male: 24.91 deaths/1,000 live births
Indian Life expectancy at birth:
Total population: 63.62 years
Male: 62.92 years
Female: 64.37 years (2003 est.)
Chinese Life expectancy at birth:
Total population: 72.22 years
Male: 70.33 years
Female: 74.28 years (2003 est.)
The long list of Chinese medal winners at Sydney 2000 Olympic Games: See: www.sportorganizer.com...
Let's congratulate to the only one Indian winner: See: www.sportorganizer.com...
India has about 10 million HIV infected people. Indian Government admits 4.5 million as of August 2003. See;
China has more than one million as reported by BBC: See: news.bbc.co.uk...
46% of general population in Bombay carry an active sexually transmitted disease (the greatest risk factor for HIV spread). Do you believe it? See:
Aid from outside:
China got aid from Soviet Union between late 50s to the beginning of t 60s. After that China develops on itself. India has been aided by both western
countries and Soviet Union for a long time. See the link:
You cannot imagine, What should India be without this aids.
China has been helping many other countries too. That's why most of Africa countries like China so much.
Religion Issues in India: edition.cnn.com...
Foreign reserve and the external debt:
India's forex reserve < external debt
India has 100B$ reserve, See: www.indiadaily.com...
and India has more than 112B$ in debt in the end of 2003. See: www.finmin.nic.in...
China has more than 400B$ reserve. See: www.china.org.cn...
China has 160B$ external debt. Reserve >> debt
Some more links:
India asks how its economy can catch up with China's
India Versus Chin-- Was written by some Indians
Can India Catch-Up With China? -- Was written by some Indians
The Population Bomb that can devastate India, actually it is a comparison between India and China
Can India catch up with China?
Can India Overtake China ? -- The famous article saying India will overtake China
Data show that China developed much faster than India even before China's reform. India was much better than China before the Chinese Communist Party
took power. But China's GDP caught up India in 70s last century.
GDP Per capita ( I believe it is based on PPP)
]http://www.eco.rug.nl/~Maddison/ (more details)
India's economic grows at average 6% GDP vs. China's grows at 9% for last 2 decades.
India has 2 times faster population grow that the same time(1.7 vs. China 0.8%).
China: Not a syndrome, a phenomenon
Chandan Mitra/ Shanghai
Next time you visit Larry's China at Delhi's Ambassador Hotel, spend some time over the menu. Preferably, get over with the orders and leisurely
study the rare photographs of China in the 1930s that spice this most unusual listing of a restaurant's offerings. Shanghai features prominently in
the collection, gleaned from the archives of an American photojournalist who spent many years in pre-modern China documenting the life and times of
ordinary people in this enigmatic country. The photos show coolies carrying huge loads in baskets slung on their backs, ropes firmly tied across
foreheads. They also depict rickshaws pulled by hand, the variety that now exists in only one city in the world - my native Kolkata. Then there are
opium addicts and women with tied feet. (In China, women's feet were tied at the age of around three for small feet were regarded as a sign of
incredible beauty). Larry's China was inaugurated many years after I first visited Shanghai in 1986. I still vividly remember walking along the bund
late one evening. Young couples, obviously constrained by the restrictions of space and size of joint family apartments, were busy making out on the
benches. Soon the police arrived, Mumbai style, and shooed the embarrassed pairs away. The speed at which they retreated made an amusing study.
Cut to Wednesday evening. I have been Shanghaied in an altogether different sense by the time I joined a cruise on the wide bosomed Huang Po,
organised by FICCI. I had to pinch myself to believe I had returned to the same city! Across the river was a brand new city, Pu Dong. When I was here
17 years ago, there were only decrepit warehouses, dilapidated barges, shaky row-boats and other symbols of post-colonial decay. Today, I was told to
try and make time to visit the 80th floor of a building there or, alternatively, a revolving restaurant towards the top of the TV tower that is now
the world's third highest man-made structure. Some journalist friends told me they visited a rundown municipality office on the 420 sq km Pu Dong
exactly 10 years ago to be shown elaborate plans of how the authorities proposed to transform the barren area into a high tech city. And they actually
did it in less than a decade!
Driving into downtown from the airport, one has to travel across a 40-km-long elevated expressway, even more impressive than Bangkok's. Atul Dalkhoti
came here as a child because his father, a Communist, was inspired to lend his muscle and brain to Mao's Revolution. Now heading the FICCI office
here, he told me it could take up to four hours to reach the airport from the city till the high-flying eight-lane road was constructed. Now it takes
I must honestly confess, four days into this country on my third visit, I still haven't figured out what makes China, China! How is it possible for
any country to get transformed so rapidly? I have visited Communist and post-Communist Russia several times. The contrast between the two eras is
nowhere as striking. Arguably, even today's China has many warts. There is widespread corruption, the police are authoritarian to the point of being
fascistic, islands of poverty and deprivation exist even within glittering steel and glass skyscrapers. But still, the speed of change is just
As a former Communist, I recall studying Stalin's speech titled "Dizzy with success" in which he warned partymen not to get carried away by the
stupendous strides made at the end of the Soviet Union's second five year plan. Should the Chinese leadership also issue a similar warning? China
started charting a new course with Deng Hsiaoping's Four Modernisations only in 1978, two years after Mao Zedong's death. Till the 1990s it was
still a predominantly agricultural country that provided just basic amenities to its citizens. Today, no new model of a car is launched without China
being a destination.
People have evidently made incredible amounts of money. But, unlike post-Perestroika Russia that slid into disorder and criminality, China has managed
change with an elan that has no parallel in contemporary history. I asked my industrialist hosts on board the river cruise where the money came from.
Pointing to the staggering array of high-rise buildings across the Huang Po, I wanted to know who funded this construction boom. In India banks would
not lend money to anybody for fear of CVC, CBI, political vendetta etc., unless they covered their risks at least three times over. Who lent money for
the China Phenomenon? I didn't get a convincing answer. The funding was ascribed largely to patriotic, affluent non-resident Chinese living in
South-East Asia, Taiwan and the US.
Could be, for unlike NRIs, NRCs put their money where their mouth is. The Chinese Government and its local variants, too, I was told raised huge loans
from Western merchant banks. But obviously these loans are being serviced. Obviously, the investment made in building the infrastructure of roads,
railway connections, power supply, health, education and housing is paying off. That's why China can contemplate constructing a 1100-km-long elevated
magnetic propulsion rail link between Shanghai and Beijing that will connect the country's commercial and political capitals in five hours flat.
That's why Shanghai alone attracted US$ 5 billion in FDI last year, against India's 8. We take pride in India for living in many worlds
simultaneously. It was somehow reassuring to find that even as China surges towards First World status, there is a delightful Third World that
continues to exist in its urban crevices.
We would have got a terrible inferiority complex but for this experience. On Tuesday, we went shopping at Beijing's famous flea market, known to
foreigners as Silk Alley - reminiscent of Janpath/Lajpat Nagar/Sarojini Nagar in Delhi, Fashion Street in Mumbai and the now demolished Gariahat
Boulevard Hawkers' Corner in Kolkata. Young women, evidently of peasant stock, run these stalls, shrieking and tugging at potential buyers.
Bargaining beats all Indian standards hollow, the only difference being that the women nowadays converse fluently in English with a vulgarised
American accent. They all carry calculators in their hands for they are still not quite used to expressing numerals in English. They key in their
price; you grab it from them and put in your bid. The deal is struck at around 25 per cent of the price originally quoted. That is also a reality of
Shanghai's river front sporting huge neons proclaiming the march of consumerism - Canon, Nikon, Samsung, LG, Bayer, IBM - is an equal reality. Some
day, in not too distant a future, India too will be like this. But in the 1950s, it had seemed India will do it and China would follow. We are
definitely 50 years behind by now. Isn't it time we put our heads together and think why things came to this sorry pass?
China - India, Comparison on Economic & Social-Economic factors
Economic or Social factor Unit of measurement
Steel production million tons / year 133
Cement production million tons / year 650
Food grain production million tons / year 418 208
Crude oil production million tons / year 160 30
Coal production million tons / year 1300 300
Telephone lines connected millions 240 27
TV sets in households millions 400 75
Mobile / Cellular phones millions 150 6
Internet connections millions 35 3
Foreign Trade (export + import) US$ billion / year 491 75
Exports US$ billion / year 260 42
Tourist Arrivals millions / year 87 2.5
Non-Resident citizens millions (approx) 50-55 20-25
GDP of Non-Resident citizens US$ billion / year (approx) 800-500 425-375
FDI inflow (in 2000-2001) US$ billion / year 46 2
FDI from Non-Residents US$ billion / year 32 0.2
% FDI from Non-Residents % of total FDI received 65 10
FDI % of exports 22 5
Forex Reserves (China+Hong Kong) US$ billion 312 51
GDP US$ billion 1121 440
Population millions 1260 1030
Population increase per year millions 9 18
Birth Rate Numbers per 1000 8.8 27
Per Capital income US$ per year / person 990 440
Life expentancy Years 72 61
Poverty line % of total population 3 40**
Poverty line Actual numbers in millions 40 400**
Primary school enrollment % of school going children 99.1 92.1
Junior school enrollment % of school going children 94.4 ?
% of school going chindren attending school for first 9 years 99.1 ?
Size of family, average (1998) Numbers 3.63 5.52
Women marrying, first time,avg.age Years 23.57 ?
Employment of women
(world average is about 34.5%) % of work force (1999) 46.50 32.1
Chinese women paid % of what men were paid 80.40 ?
Infant morality rate Rate per 1000 31 72
Hospitalized delivery rate % of births 66.80 35
Inoculation of 1 year children with BCG vaccine ..% of total 97.80 ?
Inoculation of 1 year children with Polio vaccine ..% of total 97.40 ?
Inoculation of 1 year children with DPT vaccine ..% of total 97.80 ?
Inoculation of 1 year children with Measles vaccine ..% of total 97.50 ?
Maternal morality rate Rate per 100,000 42 410
Poverty lines, as per World Bank US$ per year / person 365 365**
Retired people covered by basic retirement insurance in millions 30 ?
Social welfare institutions run by the government 1000 ?
Community run senior citizens homes 40,000 ?
1 billion = 1000 million
1 million = 10 lacs
1 crore = 100 lacs = 10 million
Number of people below Poverty Line, as per data available from records of the Government of India and China.
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