An Opinion from people studying the PSP phenomenon

KellyPrettyBear

Maybe it takes many collective members, working in concert to make or make the appearance of, a 'ship'.
But on their own, they appear as an orb of light.

Have you read much by Carl Jung? I think he, Joseph Campbell, and Jeffrey Kripal offer some vital insights into the ancient and universal phenomenon that our modern culture calls the UFO.

A well piloted meat robot

'Sub processing' topics while carrying on in the mundane time cycle day to day...thinking without thinking. Kind of zen like almost. Other times multitasking of thoughts also adds insight. Quantum thought lines?
Hard to say exactly... but it works.

"...for all is none, always never."

KellyPrettyBear

Abducted regularly? Have you posted about that?

I wouldn't have your feelings be hurt about not being abducted any more.
Abduction is a purely negative event, even if one finds it 'pleasant'.
It might titillate one, it might give one wonderful things to post about;
but being personally targeted by a psyop seems a bit marginal.. oh sure
you might bring back info that helps crack the mystery..that's the only
potentially positive part.

Do you have a different perspective?

No I haven't posted about that, not much "memory" to post about. Besides, I've already been over that with the "Witch Doctors", and have no need to discuss it.

And, for me nearly all of the abductions were "sort of" positive. Except the last one; which was at the hands of the U.S. Government. And that story I'll tell...

In the earlier months of 1994 (late winter / early spring) while living in Chewelah, Wa. I was "taken" by Terrestrial Humans working for the U.S. Government. I was taken around 2am and whisked off to Fairchild AFB. Once there I was taken to a secure area of the base hospital, examined, and "interviewed". This experience was not wholly negative, nor was it positive. It was the last tie I've been abducted, and that season/year was the last time I've seen a UFO, save for once back in 07.

My perspective is necessarily different from everyone else.

reply to post by tanka418


Well that's interesting.. did the military threaten you
not to divulge the key details? Did they abduct you
in a 'ship'? Or just show up with jack booted thugs
at your door?

KPB

reply to post by BlueMule


I've read a lot of such material. I'm particularly fond of
the green knight of the forest material.. and of course
I read the master himself "The Golden Bough".

KPB

KellyPrettyBear
reply to post by BlueMule

 

I've read a lot of such material. I'm particularly fond of
the green knight of the forest material.. and of course
I read the master himself "The Golden Bough".

KPB

Mutants & Mystics by Kripal is a must-read imho.

Also, you might enjoy this, if you haven't read it already.

www.paradigmresearchgroup.org...

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I bought it. I'm buying various books right now,
although it might be a year before I get time
to read it.

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Ah; one more note; I see that Dean Radin wrote that PDF.
As I said once before, I believe I met him once in 1989
when I showed up at a "channeler's conference" and
ruined their meeting (the Atlantean superbeing wet
himself and ran away). I'd most certainly like to meet
Mr. Radin. I'm a bit of a fan of his work. I don't even
live far from him. But of course I have no way to
contact him.. unless I walk into the Noetic offices
a few dozen times until I happen to catch him..

KPB

KellyPrettyBear
reply to post by tanka418

 

Well that's interesting.. did the military threaten you
not to divulge the key details? Did they abduct you
in a 'ship'? Or just show up with jack booted thugs
at your door?

KPB

Sorry I can be a bit "short" in my explanations...I do tend to leave a lot out...

Actually, I'm not sure it was military; no uniforms, but they did use military assets.

It was more like the "jack booted" thing. Though in the "dead of night", and very quietly. They entered the house, dispensed aerosol "drugs", took me to a waiting helicopter.

Once at the Air Base I was treated (in public anyway) like any other emergency patent at the hospital. In private; they increased the drug dose, so memory fades significantly. I remember being "wheeled" through the hospital to a secure area. Later sitting and talking to two humans. While I don't remember much; I feel like it was more of a debriefing than interrogation.

They returned me home before sun rise.

I've seen UFOs three times.
One 'disc' in the 1970s - night sighting in Connecticut.
One 'cigar' in the late 1990s - day sighting in Alabama.
And one silent silver disc flew over this past summer in Delaware.
There was A LOT of time between sightings and they didn't look anything like each other.

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Can you give more detail? Was your 'last military abduction' soon
after an 'alien abduction'? Do you think that they wanted to examine
you because you might give them a clue as to what is happening with
the UFO enigma? I'll swear up and down and 100 times on Sunday, that
in fact the military knows far less about this phenomenon than some
civilians do.. they are frustrated and playing catch-up. Now are there
cells within the intelligence community and in shadowy groups that
know far more? I'd say yes.. I've been letting my awareness roam around
of late.. and as a result I'm definitely gaining a picture..

KPB

FlyersFan
I've seen UFOs three times.
One 'disc' in the 1970s - night sighting in Connecticut.
One 'cigar' in the late 1990s - day sighting in Alabama.
And one silent silver disc flew over this past summer in Delaware.
There was A LOT of time between sightings and they didn't look anything like each other.

That's interesting... now let me hazard a guess here.. unlike most
people, these sightings didn't affect you deeply.. I'm sure they
were fascinating to you.. but in fact 'bounced off of you' much
more than most people. Would this be a correct statement?

KPB

KellyPrettyBear
unlike most people, these sightings didn't affect you deeply..

Correct. It was just 'a thing'. A matter of fact event. Not shocking. Not moving. Just a thing. Now ... if I had been abducted or something like that, then we'd be having a different conversation.

FlyersFan

KellyPrettyBear
unlike most people, these sightings didn't affect you deeply..

Correct. It was just 'a thing'. A matter of fact event. Not shocking. Not moving. Just a thing. Now ... if I had been abducted or something like that, then we'd be having a different conversation.

Ah! now as expected, as predicted (I have a hypothesis and I'm
gathering data to attempt to falsify my hypothesis); you did
not get a 'follow-up visit' by a 'ball of light'. This is because
you did not form an emotional attachment to the UFO sightings;
thus you did not 'call out to' one of the blob of light beings, who
as part of the collective materialize those 'ships'.

You know FF, you are a rare subject.. I bet 90% of all people
would get that follow-up visit. You are in fact a rare treasure
without which I couldn't have gotten an early positive data
point that supports the theory.

KPB

There are two things that really stand-out to me about PSP's
that I've not discussed much yet.

The Small Silver Disk Phenomenon
-----------------------------------------

Have these 'people' been watching "Lost in Space"
re-runs on infinite loop? Really? Does this make
sense? How many UFO sightings are small silver
disks? Is this rational?

If I were to take the nuclear physics I know.. and
general science I know from many fields, and I
were to estimate how large a spaceship would be,
the thing would be the size of an aircraft carrier,
to carry around those huge fission/fusion or other
reactors.. even if there is some amazing power
source, you'd think there would at least be massive
radiation shielding of some sort.. or some sort of
control infrastructure. But no.. these UFOs seem
to operate on LOVE or something.

Now, I know I promote the PSP / materialization
of so-called 'spiritual energies' to explain these
phenomenon.

But if someone is trying to psyop us (and they
are) wouldn't they make these huge and impressive
'Close Encounters of the Third Kind" type ships, or
some massive weird ship with lots of exhaust
ports and antennas and what not? Maybe make it
something like from Farscape or Star Trek or
something.. at least some imagination was used!

But nope.. really basic shapes overall.. really
basic.. nearly mentally deficient shapes.. with
lots of BLINKEY Lights! Like some child who likes
lots of BLINKEY Lights.

And they are small ... like toys in size much of
the time..Not Death Star Sized, or Enterprise
Sized.

Now if these things are materialized.. maybe
small is good.. reduces power expenditures..
ok.. that's what I was thinking..

But.

The Really Boring Alien Phenomenon
---------------------------------------------

Most of the aliens are like small children
or hot cat-woman aliens or other very
close variants to humans.

Now as any REAL astrophysicist or xeno
biologist would tell you.. REAL aliens
are probably so friggin different...
you might not even recognize that it
was alive.. it might be gas.. it might
be plasma.. it might be silicon.. it
might be a puddle.

but what it WOULD NOT BE was standard
archetypes like little kids.. or humans with
big brains.. or hot cat-woman aliens.

NOT. NOT. NOT.

So.. here's a conclusion

Conclusion
-----------------

Only 2 options I can think of here.

One - powerful but simple minded or powerful
and wicked insane evil or some combination

These 'aliens and ufo's' seem to be generated by
either a child or a child's mind.. or some 'force'
with a very limited or stereotypical imagination.

Or it's wicked evil and cunning in a way I don't
fully understand yet.. or both..

But this is very bizarre the lack of imagination..
I have literally 1 million times more imagination
and that's just me. I write about autistic female
robots with names of Blarp Diddy Fart Song
for geeze sake!

Two -- Alternate Earths..

If quantum variations of Feynman's all paths
integral / Alternate Earths are involved...
that might make some sense.

Perhaps the Earth's which are 'closest' to ours
are the most likely to be able to visit us.
In other words giant gas bag aliens on Earth
is 'too far away' to easily come visit us..
but 'cute cat-woman aliens' live one quantum
('sliders') Earth away.. so they can easily
come visit.

And perhaps literally.. the larger the ship or
alien.. the more energy to get it here.. so
maybe they specialize in miniaturization and
actually bioengineer little people to come
visit or they really are 'projections'. But
even a small projection would be more energy
efficient.

Well there you go.. 2 possibilities.. discussed
not so much for the 'answer', but to point out
the ridiculousness of the phenomenon!

And I almost shudder to admit this.. but it
took me 5 minutes to star typing.. my
hands were refusing to type.. and I felt
an overwhelming presence near me.. out
in the back yard. Oh geeze.. I didn't want
to admit that! sounds hysterical. It took
me 5 minute to 'spank' the force in
question.. and no.. I'm not looking into
the back yard. Hot cat-woman aliens
can abduct me while I sleep if they
want to have relations with me.. but
no ugly ones please.. I'm picky...but
I'll be damned to open a door with
monster noises coming from behind
it.

Nope, not kidding.

Of all my post, this is the one being
messed with. How strange.

;-)

Seriously. Not kidding.

KPB

KellyPrettyBear
reply to post by tanka418

 

Can you give more detail? Was your 'last military abduction' soon
after an 'alien abduction'?

No, but it was, apparently rather soon after the arrival of an ET faction (perhaps a "new" player).

Do you think that they wanted to examine you because you might give them a clue as to what is happening with the UFO enigma?

No, absolutely not. They wanted info on the new faction.

I'll swear up and down and 100 times on Sunday, that
in fact the military knows far less about this phenomenon than some
civilians do.. they are frustrated and playing catch-up.

And, I'll tell you that the military knows ore than any civilian group. The military deals with ET daily, in their efforts to keep the planet secure.

KellyPrettyBear

If I were to take the nuclear physics I know.. and
general science I know from many fields, and I
were to estimate how large a spaceship would be,
the thing would be the size of an aircraft carrier,
to carry around those huge fission/fusion or other
reactors.. even if there is some amazing power
source, you'd think there would at least be massive
radiation shielding of some sort.. or some sort of
control infrastructure. But no.. these UFOs seem
to operate on LOVE or something.

Reactors are not required to produce massive amounts of energy. Small devices that exploit things like the Lorentz effects can produce even greater quantities of energy in less space.

Now as any REAL astrophysicist or xeno
biologist would tell you.. REAL aliens
are probably so friggin different...
you might not even recognize that it
was alive.. it might be gas.. it might
be plasma.. it might be silicon.. it
might be a puddle.

And, your astrophysicist or biologist would be dead wrong! The probability that ET, at least the ETs that are capable of visiting are virtually identical to Terrestrial Humans. Some, even have DNA remarkably like Terrestrials.

You will find that every single space faring species is: Humanoid (perhaps full on Human), the Apex Predator of their home world, and, most importantly; evolving toward Human.

This will turn out to be the case 100% of the time.

tanka418

KellyPrettyBear

If I were to take the nuclear physics I know.. and
general science I know from many fields, and I
were to estimate how large a spaceship would be,
the thing would be the size of an aircraft carrier,
to carry around those huge fission/fusion or other
reactors.. even if there is some amazing power
source, you'd think there would at least be massive
radiation shielding of some sort.. or some sort of
control infrastructure. But no.. these UFOs seem
to operate on LOVE or something.

Reactors are not required to produce massive amounts of energy. Small devices that exploit things like the Lorentz effects can produce even greater quantities of energy in less space.

Now as any REAL astrophysicist or xeno
biologist would tell you.. REAL aliens
are probably so friggin different...
you might not even recognize that it
was alive.. it might be gas.. it might
be plasma.. it might be silicon.. it
might be a puddle.

And, your astrophysicist or biologist would be dead wrong! The probability that ET, at least the ETs that are capable of visiting are virtually identical to Terrestrial Humans. Some, even have DNA remarkably like Terrestrials.

You will find that every single space faring species is: Humanoid (perhaps full on Human), the Apex Predator of their home world, and, most importantly; evolving toward Human.

This will turn out to be the case 100% of the time.

Can you show me one of these Lorentz devices? The only comparable compact power source I could think of would be a MHD system running from a modified rocket engine.

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We will have to agree to disagree.

reply to post by tanka418


If I could disagree with you more than 100% I would.

But thanks for replying. And don't take it personally; this world is large enough for much didsgreement.
Within 20 years all this ufo nonsense should be re solved to everyone's satisfaction. Then we can all get on with our lives.