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Could gravity just be an effect caused by interactions of particles?

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posted on Nov, 23 2013 @ 09:11 AM
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Seems like science wants to find a particle or some exotic cause of gravity (other dimensions) rather than something simple.

Well we have stings, quarks, bosons etc... that form up to make atoms, what if gravity is just created by their interactions in space? As more of these interact to form larger forms of matter they cause gravity.

Why do they look for something exotic rather than just look at the obvious? Perhaps as they form up in space they drag space or bend it causing other particle formations to fall toward each other. As more and more space is displaced it is bent even more creating more and more of the gravity effect.

Now we just need to learn how to bend space to cause the gravity effect without having to pile particles together to form large matter.

Maybe using enough lasers or high energy focused in one location could bend space without having to use large amounts of mass?




posted on Nov, 23 2013 @ 09:57 AM
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In an imaginary fairy tale, an all invisible and weightless electron, orbits without being compelled to, an all positive proton...

However, there isn't a lot of "matter" to matter about. We are more in waves than particles, though the waves at this lower frequency of matter can appear solid and in particle form at times.

Nature's harmonic unity
Samuel Colman

What is actually going on is clusters of "bucky balls" solid waves acting like particles, in the plasmic screen universe we're all a part of, like a metaphoric movie, in layers of density. Because the illusionary particles have charges.

So its not invisible weightless electrons going through wires turning on our lamp, but waves of magnetic discharge.

Ed Leedskalnin, coral castle fame, was an inventor who spoke of non existant electrons and protons, but of magnetic waves or discharges: www.coralcastlecode.com...

Of course this all dovetails, Keely's Secret, Tesla, Walter Russel and the hidden science.

Not explosion, but implosion. Not chaos, but unity. Explosion creates negative and dirty or radioactive forces and implosion works with what is and is clean.

So these clusters of bucky ball wave/"paticle" magnets have a discharge energy, and in contact with another, this creates Gravity. An excess being expressed.



posted on Nov, 23 2013 @ 10:02 AM
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WC Wright - Gravity is a Push 18d - Russellian Science (See Info Under Video)



posted on Nov, 23 2013 @ 10:02 AM
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I agree with you - Ed Leedskalnin, Keely, at times Tesla and many others do share something in common.



posted on Nov, 23 2013 @ 10:23 AM
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Given that higher gravitation is found in areas of high particle density (matter) this idea has undeniable merit and is only as good as the proof against and not being a quantum physicist I can think of none so S+F.



posted on Nov, 23 2013 @ 02:20 PM
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Xeven
Seems like science wants to find a particle or some exotic cause of gravity (other dimensions) rather than something simple.

Well we have stings, quarks, bosons etc... that form up to make atoms, what if gravity is just created by their interactions in space? As more of these interact to form larger forms of matter they cause gravity.

Why do they look for something exotic rather than just look at the obvious? Perhaps as they form up in space they drag space or bend it causing other particle formations to fall toward each other. As more and more space is displaced it is bent even more creating more and more of the gravity effect.

Now we just need to learn how to bend space to cause the gravity effect without having to pile particles together to form large matter.

Maybe using enough lasers or high energy focused in one location could bend space without having to use large amounts of mass?


Yea, this theory is called General Relativity. Einstein beat you to it by about 100 years



General relativity, or the general theory of relativity, is the geometric theory of gravitation published by Albert Einstein in 1916[1] and the current description of gravitation in modern physics. General relativity generalizes special relativity and Newton's law of universal gravitation, providing a unified description of gravity as a geometric property of space and time, or spacetime. In particular, the curvature of spacetime is directly related to the energy and momentum of whatever matter and radiation are present.


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posted on Nov, 23 2013 @ 03:45 PM
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I don't think that question can be answered, until they figure what makes Matter have its "Mass" or weight. Which is what a lot of Quantum physicist are trying to figure out as we speak.

The usual idea is that the heavier an astral object is, the more dense it gravity is. According to Einstein anyways. The planets or black holes on a blanket that represent the fabric of time an space.
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posted on Nov, 23 2013 @ 03:50 PM
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I always thought gravity was just a visible side effect of electromagnetism.

show me a gravity or a gravity charged particle. wouldn't it be better described as an 'event' rather than a force?



posted on Nov, 23 2013 @ 04:04 PM
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I think it is important to remember that although there are perfectly understandable reasons for thinking otherwise, there is a difference between gravity, and mass.



posted on Nov, 23 2013 @ 05:29 PM
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Seems to me the mass and weight are caused by the atoms following the bent space toward each other and once together they bind by other means and make the end in Space even larger. When other matter joins up it makes a bigger hole. Like if an asteroid hits earth due to falling into the hole in Space the earth makes, now the earth bends space even more equal to what Bend the asteroid caused alone.



posted on Nov, 23 2013 @ 06:29 PM
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Mass causes space to bend not the other way around.



posted on Nov, 23 2013 @ 06:32 PM
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I always thought gravity was just a visible side effect of electromagnetism.


Light is a form of electromagnetism , light doesn't weigh anything because photons have no mass. As it has no mass it can not bend space time to create gravity.



posted on Nov, 23 2013 @ 07:25 PM
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While space is imploding from everywhere, towards everywhere, down and inward, as it is converting into pure time we recognize as all the past, impedence to this current are what all particles are. The Ohms law of current flowing through an impedence results in a voltage. Gravity is that "voltage" where the current is space imploding as it turns into time. A very simplified, semi-metaphorical description.



posted on Nov, 23 2013 @ 08:04 PM
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Im guessing the same thing, since it mass collided with a much larger mass, adding it own mass to the planet making it have a larger gravity field with that added mass. In the cases of asteroids, which tonnes upon tonnes of dust particles going around the planet.

" Gremlins of gravity"
The numbers may not jibe, but physicists have a hunch about gravity's unseen gremlins: Tiny, massless particles called gravitons that emanate gravitational fields.
Each hypothetical bit tugs on every piece of matter in the universe, as fast as the speed of light permits. Yet if they are so common in the universe, why haven't physicists found them?

"We can detect massless particles such as photons just fine, but gravitons elude us because they interact so weakly with matter," said Michael Turner, a cosmologist at the University of Chicago. "We simply don't know how to detect one."
Turner, however, isn't despondent about humanity's quest for gravitons. He thinks we'll eventually ensnare a few of the pesky particles hiding in the shadows of more easily detected particles.

"What it really comes down to is technology," Turner said.

Physicists aren't using mechanical wizardry to discover gravitons just yet, however. Efforts are currently focused on confirming the existence of the Higgs boson, which is the graviton's distant cousin particle responsible for giving matter mass. "

www.livescience.com...
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posted on Nov, 23 2013 @ 10:52 PM
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PhoenixOD
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I always thought gravity was just a visible side effect of electromagnetism.


Light is a form of electromagnetism , light doesn't weigh anything because photons have no mass. As it has no mass it can not bend space time to create gravity.


This is not true. Light does bend space. Light has energy, energy is equivalent to mass: E=MC^2



posted on Nov, 24 2013 @ 05:26 AM
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You dont use E=MC*2 to calculate the energy in light because it has no mass, you use:

E = hv where h is plancks constant and v is frequency and E is energy
6573 angstroms = 6.573 e-7 m = wavelength (λ)

First we must use: v = c/λ where c is the speed of light
v = (3.00 e8 m/s)/(6.573 e-7 m) = 4.564e14/s

E = (6.63 e-34 J x s)(4.564 e14/s) = 3.026 e-19 J



posted on Nov, 24 2013 @ 07:46 AM
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This is where general relativity comes in to it. Gravity, or the bending of space comes from energy




The stress–energy tensor is the source of the gravitational field in the Einstein field equations of general relativity, just as mass density is the source of such a field in Newtonian gravity.


See en.wikipedia.org...

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posted on Nov, 24 2013 @ 07:46 AM
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sorry double post

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posted on Nov, 24 2013 @ 08:00 AM
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Yes ive just been reading up on this. It seems that energy does bend space time , but not all energy (light for example) has mass (at least not in the conventional sense). It seems you can calculate a relativistic mass which makes the calculations balance out.



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posted on Nov, 24 2013 @ 10:31 PM
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Xeven
Seems like science wants to find a particle or some exotic cause of gravity (other dimensions) rather than something simple.

Well we have stings, quarks, bosons etc... that form up to make atoms, what if gravity is just created by their interactions in space? As more of these interact to form larger forms of matter they cause gravity.

Why do they look for something exotic rather than just look at the obvious? Perhaps as they form up in space they drag space or bend it causing other particle formations to fall toward each other. As more and more space is displaced it is bent even more creating more and more of the gravity effect.


Why is that obvious? What are you saying that Einstein didn't say in 1917?

Give a quantitative microscopic theory which is compatible with quantum field theory and the Standard Model, and which reduces to General Relativity in the macroscopic limit.

Make sure to preserve all conserved quantities.



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