There is a war going on for your soul

reply to post by Fraudfinder


I feel so sorry for you, that you :

a) actually believe in demons and devils
b) think rock music played backwards is Satanic

In regards to point a), if you want to waste your life believe in fairies and other nonsense, fair enough, but the fact that there is zero evidence of any of it, should at least suggest you focus your efforts on something more productive.

As for point b), I too listened to loads of rock music, back when it was on vinyl. And i loved it. And any of the aforementioned bands that had "Satanic Lyrics" being heard while played backwards were a GIMMICK! It was done back when saying anything against the Bible or Christianity in America (70s, 80s) was so controversial.

It's bunk. The lot of it.

Go get a book on science, physics, astronomy or philosophy - far better things to spend your time with!

reply to post by Fraudfinder


I'd much rather see my kid banging her head to some metal than be subjected to this:



I don't know what kind of demons you have running around in your churches but... no. No thank you. I prefer my current circle of demons and spirits that don't posses me like that and make me seizure. Seriously, the stuff I've seen in Christian churches are far creepier than what I have going on in my altar room.

reply to post by ketsuko


Well we will have to agree to disagree.

I'm not a "hippy love hug guy" either.

To me, love is mostly about dispelling evil lies
about the human condition. So the most loving
thing I can do, is to stand up to the 5000 year-old
disinformation campaign. Stand up against the
killers, rapists, genociders and child molesters;
in other words organized religion. (and yes
I know that atheists and other groups are not
saints either).

Now yes I know that Christianity has calmed
down some, and is no longer burning witches;
is no longer putting girls as young as 13 years
old on the rack during the inquisition. I know
that in fact there is another monotheistic
religion that is 100 times more dangerous
these days.

But that doesn't give that poisonous source
a pass. It does not.

When Christianity apologizes for the LEGION
sins it has committed in god's name.. when
it tears down the Vatican and distributes
that gold to the poor.. when it does a
million things like that..when it in fact
becomes like Jesus. Then we can talk.
I'm waiting.

KPB

reply to post by KellyPrettyBear


If it isn't Christianity, it will be someone else. There are always those willing to take full advantage of someone else's misfortune.

reply to post by KellyPrettyBear


Very good, for I meant no offense or to speak for God. The book we have is not so much corrupt as it's interpretation . Self evident truths shows Gods will for us, such as the will to live that is given to all things living should show us that God wishes for us to live and to do that ,loving each other should be TOP priority as this leads to fruitful endeavors together. However not all things living wish for us to live and so we are at war, a spiritual one which makes it necessary to take a stand against those things that are harmful to a loving relationship with God and each other. Refusing to point out stuff that is harmful is tantamount to hate of your fellow man IMO. The zeal of which of some to do so is also tantamount to hatred of their fellow man as well. I do not hate my fellow man I've probably done most the stuff your not supposed to do as a Christian , and I refuse to be a hypocrite ( on purpose) . But sometimes tough love is anything but love , but not always. Peace to you and love as well! Thankyou

Lets focus more on the real world please. I think sometimes people just need some air. Threads like this, hell, ATS itself(!) are mostly just exercises in how not to do things. I'm thinking of how mobs form and grow and unspeakable things occur. There's a reason people try to be normal and that's because being normal works most of the time, even if a normal person is sometimes crazy too. How do I think a normal person would react to this thread? I think they'd say to get some reality.

When I feel stuffy I go for a walk. In general, walking is great.

I guess I'm not saying we should avoid probing the depths of our mind or existence, but rather we should keep our feet on the ground.

AfterInfinity
reply to post by KellyPrettyBear

 

If it isn't Christianity, it will be someone else. There are always those willing to take full advantage of someone else's misfortune.

You are right.

I know people think that I'm so Christian hating and anti-Christian.
That's not actually true. I'm PRO-JESUS in a manner of speaking,
which means that all false religions sicken me. Now by "pro-Jesus"
I mean pro-love, pro-honesty, pro-rationality, pro-genuine-spirituality.
All the things that a real Jesus would have been.

Christianity is in fact losing a lot of power these days.. I'd mention
the other monotheistic religion; but they'd kill me faster than the
Christians would. I'm not saying anything about their religion. But
it's really much the same as Christianity.. only Christianity has
had a hundred years to mellow out finally.. due in large part to
democracy and constitutions no doubt.

I'm also 100% against all the other dehumanizing lies out there in
the world.. only those OTHER dehumanizing lies don't post much
on ATS. That's the ONLY reason I'm seen as clashing with Christians.
I'd be so happy to wash the feet of a real 'Jesus', or to have my
feet washed by a real 'Jesus'. Or I'd wash anyone's feet and dry
them with my hair... only I don't have any hair. I suppose you
could say I'm deeply spiritual.. and wouldn't mind religion at all;
if it wasn't all so dehumanizing and designed to serve TPTB.

KPB

reply to post by KellyPrettyBear


Here's the problem though - You rant all over the faults of the Catholic Church. Many aren't even part of it.

Why should I apologize for something I have never had any part of?

That's like expecting me to apologize on my knees to every single person of any other ethnicity simply because I happened to be born white.

I refuse to feel a shred of guilt for being Christian just because you feel that the Catholic brand of Christianity did awful things in the past. OK. It did, but I wasn't one of those people nor am I heir to that theology. So I have no reason to feel guilty or apologize.

What was that you mentioned earlier about judgmental folks?

reply to post by ketsuko

I refuse to feel a shred of guilt for being Christian just because you feel that the Catholic brand of Christianity did awful things in the past. OK. It did, but I wasn't one of those people nor am I heir to that theology. So I have no reason to feel guilty or apologize.

So basically, you're saying because you cherry pick your scripture, counter to instructions, specifically ignoring verses because you feel your sense of intuition is sharper than others who have spent just as much time studying it for much the same reasons, you should be classified as a more righteous or more upstanding version of the faith?

Those who choose to cherry pick the word of God are just as bad as those who abuse it. You are willing to swear up and down that it's the pure truth as sent from heaven or whatever, but you'll ignore half the message? You'll rely on the Bible as your ultimate authority, but only every other page or so.

You're funny.

reply to post by Strollin

Self evident truths shows Gods will for us

A less true thing has never been said in the history of the human race.
It's the mind-control mechanism which has you in it's grip.

But you are trying to 'make peace' and that's fine with me.
Ultimately it's none of my business what you want to believe
and what you want to do with your life, so long as you don't
harm innocent people.

Best wishes,

KPB

reply to post by Cuervo


You got a point there. When I point this behavior to my fellow so called Christians as wrong .I'm the one who's demon possesed! Not all Christians even go to church in a place but maintain fellowship otherwise. It's not what goes in that defiles it's what goes out that does.

AfterInfinity
reply to post by ketsuko

 

I refuse to feel a shred of guilt for being Christian just because you feel that the Catholic brand of Christianity did awful things in the past. OK. It did, but I wasn't one of those people nor am I heir to that theology. So I have no reason to feel guilty or apologize.

So basically, you're saying because you cherry pick your scripture, counter to instructions, specifically ignoring verses because you feel your sense of intuition is sharper than others who have spent just as much time studying it for much the same reasons, you should be classified as a more righteous or more upstanding version of the faith?

Those who choose to cherry pick the word of God are just as bad as those who abuse it. You are willing to swear up and down that it's the pure truth as sent from heaven or whatever, but you'll ignore half the message? You'll rely on the Bible as your ultimate authority, but only every other page or so.

You're funny.

edit on 24-11-2013 by AfterInfinity because: (no reason given)

That was absolutely brilliant.

That's why I don't give Protestants a pass either. They are 100% as guilty
as Catholicism. Now if the Protestants tore down the Vatican and distributed
the ill-gotten gold (and by the way, acted like Jesus did with the money changers)
then I might respect the Protestants. The Pilgrims by the way, burned those witches
and they weren't Catholic either. The early religious in the United States did not
stop the extermination of the rightful owners of America - the Native Americans.
The evil hate and confusion of the Protestants is every bit as deep and distressing
as the Catholics.


KPB

reply to post by KellyPrettyBear

Thank you , I personally cannot see how anyone who believes ( truly) in Christ's teachings would want to harm someone innocent or not feel guilt for doing so in the past, however there does exist the guilty , most of the guilty are doing it real legal like too. But as Jesus said himself ,give to Caesar what belongs to Caesar and give to God what is Gods. And I doubt God needs money or blood, but much sure has been collected in his name( sad) .

Strollin
reply to post by KellyPrettyBear

 

Thank you , I personally cannot see how anyone who believes ( truly) in Christ's teachings would want to harm someone innocent or not feel guilt for doing so in the past, however there does exist the guilty , most of the guilty are doing it real legal like too. But as Jesus said himself ,give to Caesar what belongs to Caesar and give to God what is Gods. And I doubt God needs money or blood, but much sure has been collected in his name( sad) .

So how about praying to God, not the one people have lied about
and killed in the name of; and utter prayers of such naked longing
and a desire to know the truth, that you start to throw off all the
corrupted words? How about reminding your fellow Christians how
Jesus loved the tax collectors and prostitutes? How Jesus defended
the egptian magicians casting out demons with spells?

Then tell your brother and sister Christians, how they aren't following
the teaches of Jesus?

I'd be so impressed with you if you stood for truth; I'm not saying to
do anything which Jesus didn't say to do.. other than the great
commission --- that was a lie tacked on later. Go find some prostitutes
and tax collectors to love. Sit with the homeless. Give them love.
Feed them. BE A FOLLOWER OF JESUS which does NOT have ANYTHING
to do with being a 'Christian'!

Love you man.

KPB

reply to post by KellyPrettyBear


Ah, I've already apologized to a Native American, married him, and bore his child. Should I apologize to my son as well?

Oh, and my husband is also a Christian. Stronger one than I am. Is he self-loathing or something?

Should he apologize to himself and our son?

Maybe I should move back to ... somewhere. I'm not sure where because ... you see, I don't know where at least a quarter of my ancestry is from. My grandfather is illegitimate. For all I know, I'm part Native, too.

But, of course, go on nursing that massive chip on your shoulder.

I'll go on praying that someday you might forgive, too. Bad blood is bad blood no matter where it lies.

reply to post by ketsuko


Nah, the only one you guys hold yourselves to has already forgiven you, or so I hear. But then you keep holding yourselves to him in a perpetual state of guilt and forgiveness, like a whirlpool.

reply to post by ketsuko


Sorry no pass for you on that post! That's strawman attacking.
I don't have a chip on my shoulder. I do understand that the
amount of seeming passion I have to display in order to
make a point that might be heard would likely be misinterpreted
that way.

I have ZERO chip on my shoulder about so many Christians acting
so awfully. I have ZERO chip on my shoulder about the mostly
Christians genociding a 100 million or so innocent Native Americans
and then claiming they don't even have souls.. that they are worth
1/2 a white man and all those things from history.

The Native Americans made a huge mistake when the white settlers
came around.. they tried to make peace with them at times.. they
even fed the white settlers at times.. they showed them mercy
at times.

Now what the Native Americans should have done, if they wanted
to keep their lands, as history has proven, is to kill every last
white settler, and keep killing them until they stopped invading
their land.

Now I'm not saying that killing would have been 'good'. But any way
you look at it, the Native American's let themselves be exterminated
for the most part.

So.. your post to me was 100% in error. You assume you know me..
you assume you know my heart. You assume that I'm
the 'bad guy'. You assume that you are right because there is
some stuff written in a book that has memes in it that are in
your brain for some reason.. I myself said repeatedly that not
all Christians are bad. Repeatedly. I never said that you were
bad.

I understand that these are hard words that I've been saying
and it gives me no joy to say them.. I'd rather that we all
loved each other and worked together for the good of all..
but some of us have a book that says god is evil and sends
most people to hell.. and that evil lie must be challenged
whenever it rears its ugly head.

I love you!

KPB

reply to post by AfterInfinity


Not really. That's the popular thought by people who aren't believers.

I don't live in a perpetual state of guilt. I accept that I'm not perfect and that I will be and am forgiven. There is no guilt left.

I feel guilty when I do something that now was wrong and knew was wrong when I did it. The little unintentional things I do all the time? Not so much, everyone does those without thinking about them and it's enough to realize it later on and understand - no guilt there.

I do admit to feeling a little guilty for writing that slightly angry post earlier, but I get tired of people who will insist on deciding that all people of a certain group must be evil based on the actions of some people who called themselves part of that group who are long dead. Heck, even if those people aren't long dead ... you can find people of pretty much any group who do awful things. Does that make everyone in that group evil by default? Of course not, and if we held to that impossible standard, every person on earth is impossibly flawed and evil because not one of us exists who does not but in some way belong to a group who had a member who did something very, very bad at some point in its history worthy of condemning them for at least.

If we tar them all with that brush, we have to be honest and tar ourselves, too. We none of us are worthy in any way and most of us are extremely unworthy, indeed. In fact, all of us should probably march right over to the nearest rope and hang ourselves because we are all connected in some ways to the depths of human evil.

And, let's be plain, that's really what's going on here - you're condemning some based on tenuous connections to human evil committed by others in order to claim a moral high ground.

reply to post by ketsuko


Then what's the point in believing? Why do you believe?

reply to post by ketsuko

but I get tired of people who will insist on deciding that all people of a certain group must be evil based on the actions of some people who called themselves part of that group who are long dead

So stand up for right with your fellows and tear down that Vatican.
Stop sending missions to countries that is more concerned about
handing out Bibles than handing out food.

I'm not suggesting that you are a terrible person. I'm not suggesting
that the errors of the past are all on you, or even a little on you.

But if you sweep it under the rug.. if you don't talk with your
brethren about making amends for those who did the crime
but then left a mess --- if you just wash your hands of the
past and don't admit the legion of errors and seek to fix them,
then why are you a member of the group you are?

For example, I have never acted as a racist. In fact I'm a minority
myself. But I stand up to racists every change I get.. even if it
endangers my life. Have you done that as regards the monstrous
past of much of Christianity? If not, why not? Jesus would have
stood up to injustice.. especially if his own group was involved!
Remember how Jesus chastised the disciples on numerous occasions?
Follow his example! If you don't, you are doing nothing to heal the
horrific things of the past.

That's all I'm saying.

KPB