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Alert: China establishes 'air-defence zone' over East China Sea..

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posted on Nov, 23 2013 @ 04:36 AM
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China has demarcated an "air-defence identification zone" over an area of the East China Sea, covering islands that are also claimed by Japan. China's Defence Ministry said aircraft entering the zone must obey its rules or face "emergency defensive measures". The zone came into effect from 10:00 local time (02:00GMT) on Saturday. The islands, known as Senkaku in Japan and Diaoyu in China, are a source of rising tension between the countries.


www.bbc.co.uk...

This is a development, scary stuff going on here folks.We know that they've been disputing who owns what, but this takes it to a different level. Now it's (In Chinas opinion) a legal thing. China will act if it's written laws are broken..
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posted on Nov, 23 2013 @ 05:15 AM
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Thank you for posting this info: Japan is still not forgiven by the Koreans and Chinese for some of the stuff they did during WWll.. The only reason I bring this up:


While nominally a unified bloc, ASEAN suffers from diverse and sometimes conflicting interests between its member states. With respect to the heated and escalating South China Sea disputes, members diverge on the legitimacy of China's wide-reaching maritime claims and its rising assertiveness in the area. While countries like Cambodia and Laos are seen as sympathetic to China, the Philippines and Vietnam remain strongly opposed. Other states have taken a more neutral position.

ASEAN as a whole is no more likely to side with China than it is with the United States or US regional strategic ally Japan. As China and the US jockey for regional dominance, the challenge for ASEAN is positioning itself between the push and pull of the two powers as a unified rather than fragmented bloc. That, however, will be increasingly difficult as China raises concerns the US and Japan are implementing a policy of encirclement to contain its rise.



In 2011, Chinese investment in ASEAN member states totaled about US$12 billion. In Cambodia and Laos, two of ASEAN's most underdeveloped nations, China has invested over the past two decades $10 billion and $3 billion respectively. Chinese President Xi Jinping proposed the establishment of a $50 billion Asian infrastructure bank to promote regional economic integration. The move was seen as a counter to the Japan-dominated and US-influenced Asian Development Bank.

www.atimes.com...
America is looked upon as a fair weather friend by many in S.E. Asia... Take what you can under the best of circumstances from the U.S. but be prepared to have a plan "B" and "C" in standby mode ready for use just incase they decide to run away when the going gets tough.

China is perceived to have more staying power and is in it for the long haul. Also they have been doing some serious investments in the local economies.

It will get interesting now if some military aircraft is fired upon or shot down.

Japan and China through their own words have made it difficult to save face if either side blinks during a confrontation.




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posted on Nov, 23 2013 @ 09:18 AM
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The Japanese Defense Ministry announced that they intend doubling the number of refuelling aircraft in their inventory and that they're considering the purchase of littoral destroyers. That will provide better defense for those disputed islands. That's subject to a Cabinet decision in December.

Maybe the Chinese are reacting to that announcement ?

Yomiuri Shimbun / Japan News



posted on Nov, 23 2013 @ 01:04 PM
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Someone is going to sneeze and a shooting war is going to break out.

Sometime back (1+ years) China announced that the zone they claim in the South China Sea was now a province.

China also recently warned N. Korea that it wont tolerate chaos on its borders, which I find interesting. I am thinking China is close to cutting N. Korea loose.



posted on Nov, 23 2013 @ 01:08 PM
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Unless China has ships and aircraft permanently stationed in the area, any Japanese aircraft entering the area can do their mission and be home before China can get assets to the area. This whole situation between the Senkaku and Spratly Islands has the potential to blow up in a huge way quickly.



posted on Nov, 23 2013 @ 01:13 PM
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Force projection has always been a weak point for the Chinese military... In recent years they have taken the position of upgrading their military capability.

They have an aircraft carrier now (Old Soviet one they fixed up) with there own domestic version being researched / built.

The only way I can see China projecting force would be like how the Soviets invaded Afghanistan (also discussed on the old 1980's movie red dawn). Chartered commercial airlines with airborne troops.

The amount of indistrial / military / scientific espionage they have been conducting is pretty much off the charts.



posted on Nov, 23 2013 @ 01:17 PM
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Exactly. And their current carrier is useless still for it, until they can build it up some more.



posted on Nov, 23 2013 @ 02:31 PM
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Xcathdra
Sometime back (1+ years) China announced that the zone they claim in the South China Sea was now a province.

China also recently warned N. Korea that it wont tolerate chaos on its borders, which I find interesting. I am thinking China is close to cutting N. Korea loose.


1. China has territorial claims against most of its neighbours. The South China Sea claims are just one of several.
2. China will not drop their support of the crackpot North Korea. The last thing China wants is Korean unification under a successful democratic South, right on their borders. China's biggest problem is keeping the Chinese people down.

Regards



posted on Nov, 23 2013 @ 03:16 PM
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paraphi
1. China has territorial claims against most of its neighbours. The South China Sea claims are just one of several.


Chinese Territorial Claims

South China Sea Claims



Spratly Island Claims


Lets not forget Taiwan, which China claims as a break away province. The Chinese government recently offered to build a tunnel from the mainland to Taiwan, citing increased economic cooperation. Taiwan, in my opinion, rightfully refused the offer, noting that tunnel could be used to bring troops along with commerce.

Lack of Force projection is another reason Taiwan is still considered a break away as opposed to being a part of china. While China has gobs of missiles pointed at Taiwan, those missiles wont do a lot of good if they cant bring the troops in behind them.

Any type of military action on china's part would require the Chinese to be lightning fast. Any prolonged delay allows time for a military response from Taiwan and her allies.

Secondly the problem with some of the Chinese claims -
China has reasserted claims it had previously relinquished to various countries.




paraphi
2. China will not drop their support of the crackpot North Korea. The last thing China wants is Korean unification under a successful democratic South, right on their borders. China's biggest problem is keeping the Chinese people down.

Regards


Will China finally bite north Korea - CNN 2013

Wikileaks cables: China 'frustrated' by North Korea - 2009 cable reported in 2010 to CNN

China cuts ties with key North Korean Bank

China Punishing North Korea For Missile Tests With Economic Pressure

At what point does the responsible adult tell their child they are on their own since they are not listening?

China is not going to go to war to protect north Korea. In their minds the devil they know beats the devil they don't. North Korea is no longer the buffer zone between the US and China.

China will have a difficult time with their territorial claims if nations in the region are building up their military because of China's moves, then have it compounded by North Korean actions.

When the North Korean government falls, and if the South does not act, I can see China sending in troops to "calm the chaos" while at the same time refusing to leave.

The future of China is not going to hang in the balance on north Korea. As we can see from the amps, their claims are vast and at this time they are not able to adequately back up their claims with military projection.
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posted on Nov, 23 2013 @ 05:19 PM
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Well neither China nor Japan in very good position militarily. Japan could defend the island but just barely. They have no offense by law. China, well I read once somewhere they could field a billion man army. Of course this would not be a trained fighting force. But, hey, with a billion Chinese with a k's who would need one. It would be devastating.

That would be OK if they were fighting on their own continent but not much good with no real navy or air force to move them lol. Sooner rather than later the Chinese are going to have to make some moves. They will have to support those huge numbers and all a people who are getting taste of the west and what it has to offer them. They want cars, good food, jeans, music, anything western.

They are really at a point of no return. Now they are facing all the moral issues that face governments of enlightened people. Like the right to breathe lol. The government is facing people speaking out and getting more vocal about social issues for the first time.

Going to be interesting few years. Lol if we live that long lol. Things are getting interesting with ison and nasa has not been telling truth.

The Bot



posted on Nov, 26 2013 @ 12:46 PM
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he US has flown two B-52 bombers over disputed islands in the East China Sea in defiance of new Chinese air defence rules, officials say. China set up its "air defence identification zone" on Saturday insisting that aircraft obey its rules or face "emergency defensive measures". A Pentagon spokesman said the planes had followed "normal procedures". The islands, known as Senkaku in Japan and Diaoyu in China, are a source of rising tension between the two nations.


www.bbc.co.uk...

developing quicker than I thought. Next move China.



posted on Nov, 26 2013 @ 02:11 PM
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I am really starting to think that Obama himself is to blame for the Chinese position. Over the last years, Obama has been breaking promises left and right.

I think the reason we are seeing an increase in these types of event falls to the fact Obama is an absolute weak leader. His administration has ethics that would raise eyebrows in the court of Caligula and were it not for the starch in his shirt I don't know who he could walk upright.

Since we balked in Syria with wmd use...
Since we balked in Iran with wmd development...

Since Obama blames anything and everyone for his disasters while at the same time running the General Custer defense, I see the world taking advantage of that weakness to obtain their goals now before the next US Presidential elections.



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