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Ex-CIA Operative: Military Thwarted Obama’s Plans To Nuke/EMP America This Fall!

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posted on Nov, 23 2013 @ 02:56 PM
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posted on Nov, 23 2013 @ 03:01 PM
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No, the New Madrid doesn't reach into South Carolina. It doesn't go anywhere near South Carolina. It goes from Illinois to Missouri, and over from Arkansas to Western Tennessee. It doesn't get anywhere near South Carolina. Even if you extend it to the coast of South Carolina though, 200 miles off the coast isn't going to affect the main faultline.

A 1.1 megaton nuclear weapon detonated in Nevada near a fault line caused a displacement of less than half a meter. A 150 kt weapon wouldn't cause a displacement on a fault, if it was farther than 1600 meters from the fault. A 1 kt weapon, which is what this was claimed to be, wouldn't even make the fault notice anything happened.



posted on Nov, 23 2013 @ 03:39 PM
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Well seems like you do like to argue lol. Again that nuke I linked you to weighs 250 pounds. They are mounted inside missiles big enough to carry it, often in larger rocket carrying multiple warheads. They are the highest guarded munitions on the planet. What you refer to in the article they were not losses but mistakenly loaded on bomber. There were allot of mishaps during cold war. Most were recovered but not all. One lost in bay in Georgia and never found. Two on land in North Carolina, one landed in a tree and one still sets about fifty meters down in marshland.

All this during cold war and as result we have the strict rules we have in place today.

Today it would take a very large number of people to pull it off. Nothing is impossible however.

Where I was stationed we did have mobile missile command.

The Bot



posted on Nov, 23 2013 @ 03:43 PM
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Here's another question for those saying a nuclear weapon was set off. Seismographs show it being 9 miles deep. No nuclear shockwave would travel that far, so it had to be placed that deeply. Where's the seismographic evidence of them digging to place it?



posted on Nov, 23 2013 @ 03:46 PM
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You must understand my concern , with all these reports coming from varied and sources some even ex members of the American Government regarding an event to shock and create havoc and cause potential death of millions.

Now these sources as you claim aren't trustworthy, but they are increasing.
Surely its worth investigating , rather than turning a blind eye to them, after all the stakes are really high , should these whistle blowers be constantly ignored because the evidence is not being published for public consumption.

In fact it would be counter intuitive for them to do so wouldn't you think?

Do you believe it is beyond any Government to use these tactics?


New Madrid fault line attack underway, 15 nuclear reactors targeted



The “once in 500 year” flooding of the Mississippi river over the New Madrid fault line is part of a campaign directed against the American people, according to multiple intelligence agency (MI6, CIA, FSB, Japan Security police) sources. The HAARP caused flooding is expected to be followed by an earthquake and then a “nuclear emergency” involving the 15 nuclear reactors located in the region. This will be a pretext for mass evacuations into FEMA camps, the sources say. The best way to derail this plan, apart from arresting the criminal cabal in Washington D.C., is to widely announce and denounce these plans in advance.



The people planning this attack are the same ones who orchestrated the recent earthquake, tsunami and nuclear disaster attack on Japan, the sources said. The attack on Japan involved long term planning. A suitcase nuclear device was brought in by sea to a remote island in the Okinawan archipelago before being brought to Kyushu by a fishing boat, according to a whistleblower within the group that smuggled in the weapon. The weapon was then taken by car to a property in Hinode, Tokyo owned by former Japanese Prime Minister Yasuhiro Nakasone. From there it was taken to the Chosen Soren (North Korean) headquarters in Tokyo before being transferred to the deep ocean drilling ship the Chikyumaru, according to the whistleblower. The bomb was then placed in a hole drilled 10 kilometers into the seabed off the coast of Japan where it was exploded, thus triggering the earthquake and tsunami. The subsequent “nuclear accident” was sabotage intended to provide a cover story for the radiation released by the bomb.


[url=http://]http://indianinthemachine.wordpress.com/2011/05/10/benjamin-fulford-new-madrid-fault-line-attack-underway-15-nuclear-reactors-targeted/[/ url]



posted on Nov, 23 2013 @ 03:57 PM
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Fine. Show me the seismographic signatures of drilling. And then explain to me how a 1.1 MEGATON weapon can cause a fault to shift less than 3 feet, but a suitcase nuclear weapon, which has a yield of around 6 KILOTONS is going to cause an earthquake reading 9.0 initially, along with a massive tsunami. Even placed directly on a fault line, 6 kilotons is not going to cause an earthquake that large.

Not to mention that the epicenter of the Japan quake in 2011 was thirty kilometers deep, not 10 as your quote shows. Explain the difference, considering seismographs can pinpoint earthquakes pretty well.



posted on Nov, 23 2013 @ 03:57 PM
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HawkeyeNation

Zaphod58
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It did not happen. According to all the stories they either dropped it from a plane, or dropped it into the ocean where it detonated. But all the seismographs show a 9 mile deep earthquake.


Great...thanks for clarifying for me!

Also...is your star count really 2mil+ ? # mad props

edit on 23-11-2013 by HawkeyeNation because: (no reason given)


Good eyes bro.... I dodnt notice that one till now!!!

Mad indeed... makes me wanna be a mod too.. lol



posted on Nov, 23 2013 @ 04:06 PM
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Pinkorchid
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The point is entirely dependant on the outcome you are trying to achieve.

If it was just a "False Flag" event that went wrong because it was thwarted by some Top ranking Commanders , then it does seem to be a rather outlandish plot.

But if we look at this in a different manner and see the objective differently , then the pieces of the puzzle may come together more coherently.

Below is a map of the Earthquakes occurring along the New Madrid fault line.





The earthquake map of America: A seismic map shows that living far from the West Coast is no guarantee of safety from earthquakes. The colour-coordinated map shows a high probability of earthquakes along the West Coast - but it also shows an alarming patch of red at the 'New Madrid fault line straddling Tennessee, Arkansas, Missouri, Illinois and Kentucky, in a dangerous patch that spreads outwards all the way to the South Carolina coast


If your intention was to trigger activity along fault lines that could start a major earthquake on the New Madrid , which by the way would put to use all those preparation that Fema has engaged in , then the story has stronger legs to it don't you think.
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Only if what cathar said in an earlier post can be verified.....



posted on Nov, 23 2013 @ 04:10 PM
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Earthquakes happen. Even in areas where there is no fault line. They happen without nuclear intervention all the time. There have been quite a few earthquakes on the coast of South Carolina and in South Carolina. That this is the first one to take place in this region doesn't automatically mean that it was a nuclear weapon that caused it.



posted on Nov, 23 2013 @ 04:22 PM
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Well I will certainly try to show how a nuke can trigger earthquakes given that they are set off in fault zone area's.


Geologists have known for 50 years that injecting fluid underground can increase pressure on seismic faults and make them more likely to slip. The result is called an "induced" quake.



Now seismologists at Columbia University say they have identified three quakes — in Oklahoma, Colorado and Texas — that were triggered at injection-well sites by a major earthquake a long distance away.


news.msn.com...

As you can see from the above must lesser forces like those of fracking can trigger earthquakes at a great distance away from the initial fracking site.



"Such large doublet earthquakes, though rare, could be an underestimated hazard," says Ammon. "We are also interested in what these events tell us about how earthquakes interact, how the stresses and interactions allow one earthquake to trigger another."



Looking at the seismic record, the researchers found a series of smaller, foreshock earthquakes beginning about 45 days before Nov. 15. On Nov. 15, there was the magnitude 8.3 earthquake on the plate boundary, the largest event of 2006.



"Within minutes of the Nov. 15 earthquake, seismic activity began on the Pacific plate in the area where the January earthquake would take place," says Ammon. "This large second earthquake generated a larger amplitude of shaking in the frequency range that affects human-made structures than the first earthquake."

www.science20.com...

So if a relatively small intervention is placed near a known fault line it can trigger Doublet quakes that can occur at a later date to the initial primary causal factors.
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posted on Nov, 23 2013 @ 04:40 PM
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Zaphod58
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Earthquakes happen. Even in areas where there is no fault line. They happen without nuclear intervention all the time. There have been quite a few earthquakes on the coast of South Carolina and in South Carolina. That this is the first one to take place in this region doesn't automatically mean that it was a nuclear weapon that caused it.


I dont get one thing...

The source stated that the nuke was detonated at 10EDT. There was an earthquake of the coast of South Carolina at 10EDT. Is the source trying to confuse us by telling us that nukes went off at a certain time, knowing we would check and find that at these times, signatures were registered on sizemographs, and we would assume it has to be nukes?

But even so, then what about it being in S Carolina? and why all the top brass officials suddenly ousted?



posted on Nov, 23 2013 @ 04:54 PM
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Why would they take a nuke that is on land to ocean to detonate it?




Putting my tin foil hat on - if you want to create some false flag operation, you'd nuke somewhere on land. If you want to get rid of a nuke and dispose of it safely, then deep underwater is the safest place. They've used nukes to fix oil-wells in the North Sea according to other discussions.



posted on Nov, 23 2013 @ 05:13 PM
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But that's liquid, which lubricates the fault. Much larger weapons placed almost on faults didn't cause anything but minor shaking. Even on nearby faults. So now suddenly this one is going to cause a quake on a fault it's not connected to?



posted on Nov, 23 2013 @ 05:20 PM
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The primary source is Sorcha Faal, who always puts a kernel of truth in all the articles. So there's always a bit of truth there.



posted on Nov, 23 2013 @ 06:04 PM
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R_Clark
Recently, there has been a flurry of information surrounding the Lindsay Graham forecast that 'a nuke would go off' if Syria was not attacked/contained... then there was stories on Alex Jones surrounding the disappearance of three nukes and military dismissals... K Hudes came out in her last interview with Project Camelot that one of those bombs was ignited off the coast of S. Carolina...
Now Dr. Garrow has posted on Facebook... then removed... the following...

ATS has a right to know.... and decide themselves... linked from LibertyDigest
thelibertydigest.com...

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Dr. Jim Garrow, the same one that reported the death of Andrew Breitbart and Tom Clancy, came out as an ex CIA Agent recently. The same Jim Garrow that runs Pink Pagoda Girls that rescues young girls from death and abortion in China. He revealed in a November 18th Facebook message that among the top brass being purged, actually prevented President Obama from creating a series of ”False Flag” events this fall. One of the incidents was to be nuclear, the other was make a calculated crippling of the infrastructure of our country.

On November 19th, the entire posts, reposts, and comments were totally scrubbed by social media networks.and outlets. That evening he appeared on Full Contact with Eric Rush.

You can see his scrubbed messages to Facebook here:

Three individuals have just saved 300 million lives in the past 2 weeks....................
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Here's Michael Savages take on it.

www.youtube.com...



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posted on Nov, 23 2013 @ 07:15 PM
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i havent looked at the raw data yet and it would likely take me an hour or two to get back up to scratch on reading P and S waves but its fairly rudimentary for anyone who works in geological related fields. As long as the data hasnt been played with you can fairly accurately work out the depth and source of a seismometer detection if the geology of a given area is know. the relationship between P (pressure) and S (secondary) waves as the two waves move through both solid and liquid state materials allows the source of a tremor to be calculated pretty accurately. So unless a heap of geologists are jumping up and down about it i wouldnt be to concerned that a nuke was detonated. Keep in mind how sensitive seismometers are and that even a small tremor can be detected at stations on the opposite side of the world. Surely it would be in the interest of hostile nations to the US to make that data public and we havent heard a peep from anyone outside the states besides some anecdotal comments supposedly by some russian diplomat somewhere as far as im aware.

Im not saying i discount the whole story of of stolen/lost nukes but i just think if their had been a blast of even a small tactical nuke it would have been too difficult to keep quiet under any kind of scrutiny



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