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Courts Quietly Confirm MMR Vaccine Causes Autism

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posted on Nov, 21 2013 @ 09:18 AM
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That's an excellent point, and then those who call for compulsory vaccination to keep up the 'Herd Immunity' are never heard complaining about how Tylenol / Paracetamol stops the vaccines from working, if they REALLY cared about 'Herd Immunity' so badly they would be calling for people to stop using Tylenol at the time of vaccination, but since they don't then we can only assume they are funded by Big Pharma to increase their product sales; attempting to neutralize the harmful truth and maximize product sales.



OneManArmy


No, shame on you for your scare mongering.

If the other kids have their vaccinations then why would they die?

Surely the only people at risk are those that are not immunised?




posted on Nov, 21 2013 @ 09:20 AM
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I'm sorry to hear, I was listening to the same story today from the grandma of a child who regressed into Autism after an MMR booster shot age 4


blahandblahandyadayada2
After my sons MMR shot his eyes rolled back in his head he later was diagnosed as ADHD. Spent years in Doctors offices and special education. Fortunately he is a self supporting member of society now.



posted on Nov, 21 2013 @ 09:23 AM
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Here is something interesting to note. Even if indeed vaccines were the cause of autism, global rates are pegged at about 1/88 (high estimate)


Autism and related disorders affect an estimated 1 in 88 children. According to the CDC, more children today are diagnosed with autism than ever before. Experts aren't sure if autism is getting more common or if doctors are just better at diagnosing the disorders.


www.webmd.com...

Yet, over 1 billion have received just one TB Vaccine. www.who.int...

Not including all the others. If you look at the TB vaccine (interestingly enough) it is given to 90% of kids being vaccinated, yet, not in the UK, CAN, or US, because it doesn't pose the same threat:


Vaccines
The only currently available vaccine as of 2011 is bacillus Calmette–Guérin (BCG) which, while it is effective against disseminated disease in childhood, confers inconsistent protection against contracting pulmonary TB.[67] Nevertheless, it is the most widely used vaccine worldwide, with more than 90% of all children being vaccinated.[7] However, the immunity it induces decreases after about ten years.[7] As tuberculosis is uncommon in most of Canada, the United Kingdom, and the United States, BCG is only administered to people at high risk.


en.wikipedia.org...

Now, why is all this important?:


One third of the world's population is thought to have been infected with M. tuberculosis,[3] with new infections occurring in about 1% of the population each year.[4] In 2007, there were an estimated 13.7 million chronic active cases globally,[5] while in 2010, there were an estimated 8.8 million new cases and 1.5 million associated deaths, mostly occurring in developing countries.


One could argue that even if vaccines were shown to cause a 1% cause in autism rates, the use of vaccines should still be maintained because of scope of diseases and the ability for them to affect a far greater number of the population. We are just talking about one, which kills 1.5 million people a year.

One could also argue that a 5-10-15-20-30% mortality rate, is obviously nothing compared to a meagre 1% autism rate.

And wait just a sec, why aren't TB vaccines being marketed to North America if it's simply a evil-money game?

Also, one would expect the autism rates to be much higher if vaccines are causing them, since this is just one vaccine.

I looked for the stats on worldwide autistic rates but it's hard to find a concrete number of how many people actually have it, without getting a statistic.

Lets also not forget that in the 1800s, they were most likely referred to as idiots, although some may have been imbeciles and lunatics.


The Idiots Act 1886 (49 Vict.c.25) was an act of Parliament of the United Kingdom. It was intended to give "... facilities for the care, education, and training of Idiots and Imbeciles".[1]

The Act made, for the first time, the distinction between "lunatics"[n 1], "idiots", and "imbeciles" for the purpose of making entry into education establishments easier and for defining the ways they were cared for.
Before the Act, learning institutions for idiots and imbeciles were seen as either "licensed houses" or "registered hospitals" for lunatics, for which the parents of children hoping to enter would have to complete a form stating that they were "a lunatic, an idiot, or a person of unsound mind". Additionally, they were required to answer irrelevant questions and present two medical certificates.[2]

The Act was repealed by the Mental Deficiency Act 1913, by which time two further classifications had been introduced: "feeble-minded people" and "moral defectives".[3]


Idiot's act of 1886

So while people claim proving autism has causality with vaccines would destroy the industry, I have a feeling one bout of the Spanish Flu (or insert epidemic here), and a quarter of the population wiped out, no one will care about 1% which may or may not develop autism.

Simple numbers game.

I think the anti-vax logic doesn't hold up to scrutiny.
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posted on Nov, 21 2013 @ 09:26 AM
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hiddencode
I'm sorry to hear, I was listening to the same story today from the grandma of a child who regressed into Autism after an MMR booster shot age 4


blahandblahandyadayada2
After my sons MMR shot his eyes rolled back in his head he later was diagnosed as ADHD. Spent years in Doctors offices and special education. Fortunately he is a self supporting member of society now.


Weird, I got all my booster shots and ate a pizza. Must mean vaccines give you the munchies.



posted on Nov, 21 2013 @ 09:29 AM
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blahandblahandyadayada2
After my sons MMR shot his eyes rolled back in his head he later was diagnosed as ADHD. Spent years in Doctors offices and special education. Fortunately he is a self supporting member of society now.


I was also diagnosed with ADHD as a kid. The doctors wanted to put me on drugs, but my mother cured it by beating the living piss out of me.

=True story.

I own multiple businesses and have over two dozen employees so I am going to say I'm a contributing member of society. Even though I am well hated.



posted on Nov, 21 2013 @ 09:35 AM
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Perhaps we could consider what vaccines actually are... they are supposed to be the actual virus that you're vaccinating against... that's dead.

Now as I've said pages ago before everyone started the hating... ITs not the vaccination that's the problem... its the additives which they use...

My question is.. WHY are they putting extra garbage into the vaccines IF that is the problem to begin with?




posted on Nov, 21 2013 @ 09:57 AM
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It's sad to hear about such travesty, but at the same time I am glad that it is being acknowledged enough to be read about. Maybe soon enough the standards that we would put in place for ourselves will be mimicked by the corporations that should attempt to sell to us.

That, or everyone could quit paying money for things that aren't demonstrated as safe. By "demonstrated as safe" I mean actually demonstrated as safe. Not the level of safety that has been passed off as acceptable here and abroad within the last 60 years.



posted on Nov, 21 2013 @ 10:07 AM
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You get hungry everyday anyway, whereas you don't go Autistic everyday, if you go Autistic right after a vaccine then by default it's right to assume it was caused by the vaccine unless anyone can prove otherwise.


boncho



Weird, I got all my booster shots and ate a pizza. Must mean vaccines give you the munchies.

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posted on Nov, 21 2013 @ 10:11 AM
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Akragon
Perhaps we could consider what vaccines actually are... they are supposed to be the actual virus that you're vaccinating against... that's dead.

Now as I've said pages ago before everyone started the hating... ITs not the vaccination that's the problem... its the additives which they use...

My question is.. WHY are they putting extra garbage into the vaccines IF that is the problem to begin with?



They aren't. For starters, I know you had a modicum of skepticism with your thread to begin with so I suggest reading this post.

As for the additives they are "putting into vaccines" that is "extra garbage", it isn't. It is not "extra garbage" and each of them has a purpose. And each one misrepresented by the anti-vax crowd.


Thimerosal is a preservative that is used in the manufacturing process of some vaccines and other medicines to prevent the growth of bacteria and fungi, which could otherwise cause illness or injury.

It metabolizes into ethylmercury, not methylmercury, a mistake commonly made by anti-vaxers who claim that the amount of mercury that used to be in vaccine exceeded EPA exposure guidelines of .1mcg/kg/day.

Those guidelines are for methylmercury, a compound that has a half-life in the body of several weeks to months and is often found in fish or other environmental exposures.

Ethylmercury, on the other hand, has a half-life of a few days to about a week, meaning that it is not in the body long enough for it to build up to toxic levels from vaccination to vaccination.



Vaccines contain formaldehyde. It is used during the manufacturing process, but is diluted to remove it from the finished product, leaving only small or trace amounts. The total amount of formaldehyde in a finished product is far less than what is naturally found in the human body. For example, at any given time, an average newborn would have about 575-862μg of formaldehyde circulating in their blood naturally.



Some anti-vaxers claim that squalene, a vaccine adjuvant is toxic and caused Gulf War Illness (GWI) in soldiers that received the anthrax vaccine, supposedly contaminated with squalene. However, a comprehensive review of GWI by the Research Advisory Committee on Gulf War Veterans’ Illnesses observed that not only did the vaccine not cause GWI, but that the lots implicated did not contain any squalene as an adjuvant (instead, the anthrax vaccine used aluminum hydroxide). Like other claims, the anti-vaxers have no quality studies to support their contention that squalene causes severe adverse reactions.

According to the same GWI review, squalene is “an oily substance that naturally occurs in plants and animals. It is found in a variety of foods, lotions, and cosmetics. It is also used as a food supplement and has been postulated to provide therapeutic benefits. In humans, squalene is synthesized by the liver as a precursor to cholesterol, and circulates in the blood.”

Squalene appears to be an effective and safe adjuvant, based on a PubMed search revealing several studies examining its use in vaccines.

It should also be noted that squalene is offered in pill form by a variety of organic and natural food stores, as well as makers of dietary supplements. Squalene is also promoted as a moisturizer.



Some anti-vaxers claim there is antifreeze in vaccines. This is false. Antifreeze is ethylene glycol. Vaccines use polyethylene glycol. These are different substances, the latter of which is not toxic. More info can be found at Inside Vaccines.


I believe that is what we all smoke in ecigs as well… No autism here!

antiantivax.flurf.net...

Ironic that half the people complaining about vaccines and the terrible chemicals in them, have probably drunk decaffeinated coffee at some point in the past. I think it was pre 1990 when most of that was made using Dichloromethane, a very, very serious mutagen.

Or, how about benzene, started out as aftershave, then realized it's one of the most carcinogenic substances around, proceeded to try and clean up pollution from our gasoline consumption, realizing this is a bit of a futile effort.

Here is a little neurotic take on chems in food:

www.theguardian.com...

Oh, almost forgot sodium benzoate, (remember benzene I was talking about?) yeah.. spit out drinks with that since I was a wee lad. Don't care how many times it's declared safe I simply won't drink anything with it. (not everyone is great at keeping the under the recommended levels, that an Jim Bob could have been drinking before he showed up to the manufacturing plant.)
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posted on Nov, 21 2013 @ 10:13 AM
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The MMR is a live virus vaccine by the way. (three live viruses)

Yes good point, Big Pharma use vaccines as an opportunity to poison us at the same time, the more autoimmune diseases and allergies that they can start up in our bodies = the more profit for them. Pharma have a huge conflict of interest whenever we give them access to our bodies.


Akragon
Perhaps we could consider what vaccines actually are... they are supposed to be the actual virus that you're vaccinating against... that's dead.

Now as I've said pages ago before everyone started the hating... ITs not the vaccination that's the problem... its the additives which they use...

My question is.. WHY are they putting extra garbage into the vaccines IF that is the problem to begin with?




posted on Nov, 21 2013 @ 10:14 AM
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boncho,

It's all just marketing and propaganda, these people are not to be trusted, they care only about making more money, they make more money when they make us sick



posted on Nov, 21 2013 @ 10:22 AM
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Vaccines are the main driving force behind the pharmaceutical industry, without the autoimmune diseases and allergies which vaccines start up, there would be far fewer sick people requiring long term Pharmaceutical drugs. This is why they will not allow people to go near this one, this is why they intimidate, smear and destroy any honest scientist who examines vaccine safety, this is why pharmaceutical sockpuppets rapidly appear whenever you post about vaccines anywhere on the Internet. The complications caused by vaccines are not accidents, they were there by design, they are the real reason for the injections. If vaccines were clean and safe the pharmaceuticals would have little incentive to continue pushing them.


Theeastcoastwest
It's sad to hear about such travesty, but at the same time I am glad that it is being acknowledged enough to be read about. Maybe soon enough the standards that we would put in place for ourselves will be mimicked by the corporations that should attempt to sell to us.

That, or everyone could quit paying money for things that aren't demonstrated as safe. By "demonstrated as safe" I mean actually demonstrated as safe. Not the level of safety that has been passed off as acceptable here and abroad within the last 60 years.



posted on Nov, 21 2013 @ 10:22 AM
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Rubinstein
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boncho,

It's all just marketing and propaganda, these people are not to be trusted, they care only about making more money, they make more money when they make us sick



I agree with you, you are talking about the anti-vax industry right?


I wonder if Mercola really believes his own anti-science propaganda, or if he knows it is bogus and just doesn’t care.

Regardless of whether he is sincere or not, what Mercola does really well is to promote his own products. A 2006 Business Week article pointed out that Mercola “is a master promoter, using every trick of traditional and Internet direct marketing to grow his business,” and comparing him to “the old-time snake oil salesmen of the 1800s.” That’s exactly what he is, but he uses the modern tools of internet advertising to turn his particular brand of snake oil into a very successful business.



He sells hundreds of “natural” products and makes countless claims for them, most of which are either unproven, medically vague, or irrelevant. He still sells the very same products that the FDA warned him about: he merely changed the way he advertises them. The FDA doesn’t really have any power to regulate supplements – all it can do is prevent specific claims about curing disease. Clever snake-oil salesmen like Mercola can easily circumvent the FDA with a few simple edits to their websites.

For example, Mercola was warned about a product called Chorella in both the 2005 FDA warning letter and the 2006 warning letter, but he’s still selling Chorella on his site. He claims that it will “boost your immune system”, “purify your blood and clean away toxins,” promote tissue repair, and countless other unsupported claims.


www.forbes.com...

As a businessman, I can tell you I looked into creating and plugging natural health lines. And to be honest, everything the anti-vax crowd does, and groups like NN, it was a "must do" in the business plan. We decided not to do it because we felt like it was selling our souls.

All the people who are trying to "educate" you are actually after your money. And the celebrities that jump on the bandwagons are simply useful idiots.



posted on Nov, 21 2013 @ 10:27 AM
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Vaccines are the main driving force behind the pharmaceutical industry, without the autoimmune diseases and allergies which vaccines start up, there would be far fewer sick people requiring long term Pharmaceutical drugs. This is why they will not allow people to go near this one, this is why they intimidate, smear and destroy any honest scientist who examines vaccine safety, this is why pharmaceutical sockpuppets rapidly appear whenever you post about vaccines anywhere on the Internet. The complications caused by vaccines are not accidents, they were there by design, they are the real reason for the injections. If vaccines were clean and safe the pharmaceuticals would have little incentive to continue pushing them.

 



If this were true, we would see far less disease in places that had no vaccines, but that isn't the case. Also, I remember measles as a kid and it was pretty common, but now I can't think of one kid out of all my friends children that has gotten it.


In 1988, the World Health Assembly unanimously agreed to eradicate polio worldwide. As a result of global polio eradication efforts, the number of cases reported globally has decreased from more than 350,000 cases in 1988 to 187 cases in 2012 (as of November 14, 2012). Only three countries remain endemic for polio in 2012: Afghanistan, Nigeria, and Pakistan. Stopping vaccination before eradication is achieved would result in a resurgence of this preventable disease and threaten future generations of children.



Before measles immunization was available, nearly everyone in the U.S. got measles. An average of 450 measles-associated deaths were reported each year between 1953 and 1963.

In the U.S., up to 20 percent of persons with measles are hospitalized.


Strange, if 20% of people with measles are hospitalized, wouldn't that mean big profits for the hospital stays? Or this is just disinfo cause it doesn't fit into your tinfoil?



posted on Nov, 21 2013 @ 10:30 AM
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Rubinstein
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boncho,

It's all just marketing and propaganda, these people are not to be trusted, they care only about making more money, they make more money when they make us sick


Would you believe information from an independent source describing what goes into vaccines and why?
Here's just one example: The Children's Hospital of Philadelphia - Vaccine Education Center


This information is provided by the Vaccine Education Center at The Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia. The Center is an educational resource for parents and healthcare professionals and is composed of scientists, physicians, mothers and fathers who are devoted to the study and prevention of infectious diseases. The Vaccine Education Center is funded by endowed chairs from The Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia. The Center does not receive support from pharmaceutical companies.

Believe it or not, people (and independent organizations - not just "Big Pharma") actually research these things. Random, harmful ingredients aren't just thrown into vaccine mixes for no reason, nor are these "toxins" present in massive quantities. Vaccines are far from perfect but researchers from around the world continue to work on creating safer, more effective ones. I understand the distrust of "Big Pharma" and of government agencies, I really do, but I think some people fail to realize the sheer number of humans involved in one way or another in the creation, testing, and administration of vaccines. Do you think they're all stupid, or they're all "in on it" and don't care that they're harming people?



posted on Nov, 21 2013 @ 10:35 AM
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boncho
I agree with you, you are talking about the anti-vax industry right?


There is almost no money to be made in warning about vaccine dangers, if anything you lose money as it takes up your free time. Those who spread the message about vaccine dangers are altruists. As for Mercola he is an honest man, he needs money to fund his website, but he's regularly proven to be right. I would trust Mercola over the pharmceuticals any day.

Quite the opposite of the $Trillion dollar pharmaceutical industry which can lobby politicians, change laws and pull strings in the media. Even people who post pharma propaganda and marketing on the Internet (similar to your posts) get paid over $50,000 per year. I was told that by a chap who recruits such posters.
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posted on Nov, 21 2013 @ 10:45 AM
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I'm not sure if you're serious here opopanax, you do realize that the so-called independent source you linked to, the 'Vaccine Education Center' has the biggest vaccine shill as it's director i.e. Paul Offit (nicknamed Paul Profit) en.wikipedia.org... This man has made over $20 million from his vaccine patent.

Paul Profit has a huge conflict of interest so does not count as an independent source, on the contrary he's completely biased and a known liar. If he was ever held accountable for his crimes he's spend the rest of his life in jail.



opopanax

Rubinstein
reply to post by boncho
 


boncho,

It's all just marketing and propaganda, these people are not to be trusted, they care only about making more money, they make more money when they make us sick


Would you believe information from an independent source describing what goes into vaccines and why?
Here's just one example: The Children's Hospital of Philadelphia - Vaccine Education Center


This information is provided by the Vaccine Education Center at The Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia. The Center is an educational resource for parents and healthcare professionals and is composed of scientists, physicians, mothers and fathers who are devoted to the study and prevention of infectious diseases. The Vaccine Education Center is funded by endowed chairs from The Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia. The Center does not receive support from pharmaceutical companies.

Believe it or not, people (and independent organizations - not just "Big Pharma") actually research these things. Random, harmful ingredients aren't just thrown into vaccine mixes for no reason, nor are these "toxins" present in massive quantities. Vaccines are far from perfect but researchers from around the world continue to work on creating safer, more effective ones. I understand the distrust of "Big Pharma" and of government agencies, I really do, but I think some people fail to realize the sheer number of humans involved in one way or another in the creation, testing, and administration of vaccines. Do you think they're all stupid, or they're all "in on it" and don't care that they're harming people?



posted on Nov, 21 2013 @ 10:59 AM
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boncho

If this were true, we would see far less disease in places that had no vaccines, but that isn't the case. Also, I remember measles as a kid and it was pretty common, but now I can't think of one kid out of all my friends children that has gotten it.



You do see far lower rates of Autism, Diabetes Type 1, Asthma, Epilepsy, Cot Death etc in unvaccinated populations.

As for Polio they just renamed it, an obvious scam, they should care about Paralysis, not about Polio, they paralyse 1,000's of people with their Polio vaccine every year. Most people who catch Polio don't even know they've got it.



boncho
In the U.S., up to 20 percent of persons with measles are hospitalized.


That's completely untrue, it's just Big Pharma trying to rewrite history. There was a Measles outbreak in the UK and the majority of people were fine apart from one chap who had chronic Asthma (caused by DPT vaccine) and was incredibly skinny and malnourished, for him Measles was the straw that broke the camel's back. When I was young we all had Measles, we were fine, as long as you have enough Vitamin A it's nothing to worry about.



boncho
Strange, if 20% of people with measles are hospitalized, wouldn't that mean big profits for the hospital stays? Or this is just disinfo cause it doesn't fit into your tinfoil?


Even if the 20% figure were true, 10 days of Measles isn't going to bring many sales to the pharmaceuticals, when compared to lifelong Diabetes Type 1, lifelong Autism, lifelong Asthma etc etc. They want money from you for 30,000 days, not just 10 days, that's how to make real money, there can be no comparison.



posted on Nov, 21 2013 @ 11:04 AM
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Rubinstein
I'm not sure if you're serious here opopanax, you do realize that the so-called independent source you linked to, the 'Vaccine Education Center' has the biggest vaccine shill as it's director i.e. Paul Offit (nicknamed Paul Profit) en.wikipedia.org... This man has made over $20 million from his vaccine patent.

Paul Profit has a huge conflict of interest so does not count as an independent source, on the contrary he's completely biased and a known liar. If he was ever held accountable for his crimes he's spend the rest of his life in jail.



I don't know whether to laugh or cry, there are people out there who still see Paul Offit has a good source of information while telling us that Andrew Wakefield is a fraud. Anyone who's looked into this in detail will know that Paul Offit is the man who the media should be destroying, as for Wakefield he should be Sir Wakefield.



posted on Nov, 21 2013 @ 11:06 AM
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Good point, I'm surprised Mercola even has enough money to keep his site running. Well done to him though, Big Pharma are desperate to shut down his site and censor that side of the debate.


Rubinstein

boncho
I agree with you, you are talking about the anti-vax industry right?


There is almost no money to be made in warning about vaccine dangers, if anything you lose money as it takes up your free time. Those who spread the message about vaccine dangers are altruists. As for Mercola he is an honest man, he needs money to fund his website, but he's regularly proven to be right. I would trust Mercola over the pharmceuticals any day.

Quite the opposite of the $Trillion dollar pharmaceutical industry which can lobby politicians, change laws and pull strings in the media. Even people who post pharma propaganda and marketing on the Internet (similar to your posts) get paid over $50,000 per year. I was told that by a chap who recruits such posters.
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