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Rubinstein
Everything I've said has come from years of examining studies in my free time. To find the reality we have to look away from the Big Pharma controlled sites such as CDC and WHO etc, we need scientists who are allowed to be honest without corporate pressure.
None of the list of vaccine-induced diseases should be a surprise when we think about the fact that vaccines are trying to create an immune response, so very often it goes wrong leaving us with lifelong autoimmune diseases. It is known that autoimmune diseases are often left behind after vaccination.
Vaccinations Inevitably Cause Autoimmune Diseases: PLoS Study
gaia-health.com...
Rubinstein
Diabetes Type 1 is mainly caused by the Hib vaccine, every country which introduced the vaccine saw a huge increase in Diabetes Type 1 rates, whereas Russia who only vaccinate at 18% with Hib have low rates of Diabetes Type 1. Lots of studies and info in this thread here
www.abovetopsecret.com...
Rubinstein
Alzheimers comes from the old person flu jab, once you've had a number of these there's too mcuh Aluminium in your brain. (source one of the world's top immunologists
"If an individual has had 5 consecutive flu shots between 1970 - 1980 (the years of the study) his/her chance of developing Alzheimer's Disease is 10 times greater than if they had 1, two or no shots." When asked why, Dr. Fudenberg stated that it is due to the mercury and aluminum buildup that is in EVERY flu shot (and in almost all childhood shots). The gradual mercury and aluminum buildup in the brain causes cognitive dysfunction. Dr. Fudenberg's comments above were from his speech at the NVIC International Vaccine Conference, Arlington VA September, 1997.
Rubinstein
Asthma is from the DPT vaccine.
Delay in diphtheria, pertussis, tetanus vaccination is associated with a reduced risk of childhood asthma
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...
Rubinstein
Muscle Wasting Disease can be caused by the Tetanus vaccine.
Calcifying dermatomyositis following antitetanus vaccination
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...
Rubinstein
Non Hodgkin Lymphoma comes from the SV40 contaminated Polio vaccine.
news.bbc.co.uk...
news.sciencemag.org...
Rubinstein
MS is often caused by the the Hep B vaccine (Harvard) and the HPV. France already pays compensation for this.
Rubinstein
Cot Death vanished in Japan after they stopped vaccinating under 2's, it's also known that Cot Death always happens slightly after vaccination, but never before. Vaccine inserts actually used to warn on the inserts that they could cause Cot Death.
Pardon?
Have you read this study? Have you seen how often and how much of each antigen they gave?
That really can not be correlated with even the most stringent vaccine schedule.
A ludicrous example of non-science.
Pardon?
And that's the one I refuted earlier as the author of the ONE study in the thread basically made the study results up himslef to promote his company. Read my earlier posts for a little more detail.
Pardon?
Aside from the proven fact that aluminium and/or mercury DON'T cause Alz, Dr Fudenburg is far from being one of the "world's top immunologists" as he is a bit of a crank, mainly, in my opinion, since he says he can cure autistic children with his own bone marrow(!!???). I believe he also lost his medical licence nearly 20 years ago..this is a snippet from the order..
Pardon?
That addresses more the timing of when vaccines are given rather than the vaccines themselves, wouldn't you agree? If there was a non-vaccinated control group to compare against to there would be more substance to it. As it stands, it's only really a vehicle for further study, no real conclusions can be made.
Pardon?
Wow, talk about cherry-picking!
That's a single case report and it also states "To our knowledge, similar cases have not been reported."
Sorry, try again.
Pardon?
The SV40 was found in 1960 and further polio vaccines did not contain it.
So far (and the bottom of that Sciencemag link says the same) there have been no cases of cancer which have been proven to have been caused by the virus.
Conjecture.
Pardon?
Proof please.
Pardon?
Absolute fabrication. Japan vaccinates from 2 months upwards.
The rest of your comment is just lies.
japanhealthinfo.com...
Rubinstein
There are many studies linking vaccines with Lupus
BCG vaccine-induced lupus vulgaris.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...
Pardon?
Rubinstein
There are many studies linking vaccines with Lupus
BCG vaccine-induced lupus vulgaris.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...
I hope you realise that lupus vulgaris ISN'T the autoimmune disease commonly called lupus?
The autoimmune one is lupus erythematosus.
They are very different indeed.
Whilst unpleasant lupus vulgaris is quite rare and relatively easily treated.
Rubinstein
It's a top quality study, but of course you will say it's a bad one as it goes against your agenda.
Rubinstein
It's an excellent study, you have a problem with the scientist because he's looking into vaccine safety. There are other studies in the same thread to that which all form together to show that Diabetes Type 1 is coming from the Hib vaccine. Look at the Hib vaccine rates per country then compare with rates of Diabetes Type 1. Think about the fact that every country which introduced the Hib vaccine then had skyrocketing cases of Diabetes Type 1.
Runbinstein
Just because the CDC and FDA choose to ignore studies does not mean that they don't exist. Watch this award-winning documentary from 17 minutes 50 seconds for a few minutes and you'll find out more about the harmful effects of vaccines on the brain.
Runbistein
More studies on DPT/Asthma, the risk of Asthma in the unvaccinated in tiny.
(McKeever et al.: Vaccination and Allergic Disease: A Birth Cohort Study“, June 2004, Vol 94, No. 6, American Journal of Public Health)
Rubinstein
Salzburger Study Results: of 1004 unvaccinated children, had Asthma, 0% (8-12% in the normal population) A-topic dermatitis 1.2% (10-20% in the normal population) Allergies 3% (25% in the normal population) ADHD 0.79% (5-10%) in children
Rubinstein
And here's some worrying evidence about the DPT vaccine, it was found that those received the vaccine were twice as likely to die.
Longterm Study in Guinea-Bissau (1 Kristensen I, Aaby P, Jensen H.:“Routine vaccinations and child survival: follow up study in Guinea-Bissau, West Africa”, BMJ 2000; 321: 1435–41 The children of 15,000 mothers were observed from 1990 to 1996 for 5 years. Result: the death rate in vaccinated children against diphtheria, tetanus and whooping cough is twice as high as the unvaccinated children (10.5% versus 4.7%).
Rubinstein
How many people are even looking into vaccines as the triggers of muscle-wasting diseases? A vaccine from 2 months or a year ago could have caused the muscle-wasting disease which has just showed it's symptoms. The fact that one study/example exists suggests that many more cases of rare muscle-wasting diseases are also likely to be trigged by vaccines, but if you don't look then you don't find. Pharma have good reason not to look, as they make very good money from muscle-wasting diseases.
Rubinstein
The monkeys which Merck used were also being used to create biological weapons, their blood had all sorts in, including HIV and SV40. Cases of Non Hodgkin Lymphoma soared after those Polio jabs went out, the SV40 virus is found in Non Hodgkin Lymphoma. Pharma will of course desperately try to say "Just because SV40 is found in these Cancers doesn't mean it caused them", but Non Hodgkin Lymphoma was rare before these jabs went out, so the evidence is clear.
Rubinstein
Multiple sclerosis and hepatitis B vaccination: adding the credibility of molecular biology to an unusual level of clinical and epidemiological evidence.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...
"In spite of a huge number of reports of severe hazards after injection of hepatitis B vaccine (HBV), the issue is regularly raised that no mechanism is available for the development of central demyelinating disorders such as multiple sclerosis (MS). A number of convergent facts, however, suggests that the manufacturing process could introduce HBV polymerase as a contaminant, and then trigger an auto-immune process against myelin in some vaccinated subjects. Of great significance, this hypothesis is likely to give the missing link to account for the considerable body of clinical and epidemiological evidence documenting that, for a drug used with a preventive purpose, HBV has an unusual potential to induce central neurological disorders amongst others unwanted side-effects."
Runbinstein
Actually you're wrong, this is very well known that Japan stopped vaccinating the under 2's and Cot Death vanished, their infant mortality rate jumped right up to best in the world. Pharma used their tentacles to put pressure on them and get them vaccinating under-2's again, as otherwise it would expose all of the harm which vaccines are causing.
www.thelibertybeacon.com...
Rubinstein
Vaccines cause both Lupus vulgaris and Lupus erythematosus :-
Vaccinations Inevitably Cause Autoimmune Diseases: PLoS Study
The study found that overstimulation of CD4+ cells results in the induction of autoantibodies, that is, antibodies that attack the self instead of invaders. That is virtually the definition of an autoimmune disease. The authors specifically found tissue injury like that of the disease lupus erythematosus and other autoimmune disorders.
gaia-health.com...
Rubinstein
We can clearly see that vaccines are the driving force of the pharmaceutical industry, by harming us, leaving us with MS, Asthma, Diabetes Type 1, Lupus, Motor Neurone Disease etc etc, they put us on their medications for life, this is about money, each time they harm one of us they effectively get a lifelong tax from our injury.
Whenever the pharmaceuticals want to increase their market size, it's as simple as pushing another vaccine into the schedule, or creating a new excuse for a vaccine e.g. HPV, Swine Flu, Seasonal Flu etc. Each time around a percentage of us are harmed and left dependent on lifetime pharma drugs, like a ball and chain around the ankle.
The Pharmaceuticals need to be banned from profiting from harm/disease which they caused, only then will they lose interest in forcing untested and toxic vaccines on both us and our children.
edit on 28-11-2013 by Rubinstein because: (no reason given)
Rubinstein
One of the best videos you could ever watch from one of the world's top vaccine experts, Dr Sherri Tenpenny, she goes through all the major childhood diseases and vaccines one by one and assesses the risk against the benefit for each vaccine.
Rubinstein
Everything I've said has come from years of examining studies in my free time. To find the reality we have to look away from the Big Pharma controlled sites such as CDC and WHO etc, we need scientists who are allowed to be honest without corporate pressure.
None of the list of vaccine-induced diseases should be a surprise when we think about the fact that vaccines are trying to create an immune response, so very often it goes wrong leaving us with lifelong autoimmune diseases. It is known that autoimmune diseases are often left behind after vaccination.
Vaccinations Inevitably Cause Autoimmune Diseases: PLoS Study
gaia-health.com...
Diabetes Type 1 is mainly caused by the Hib vaccine, every country which introduced the vaccine saw a huge increase in Diabetes Type 1 rates, whereas Russia who only vaccinate at 18% with Hib have low rates of Diabetes Type 1. Lots of studies and info in this thread here
www.abovetopsecret.com...
Alzheimers comes from the old person flu jab, once you've had a number of these there's too mcuh Aluminium in your brain. (source one of the world's top immunologists
"If an individual has had 5 consecutive flu shots between 1970 - 1980 (the years of the study) his/her chance of developing Alzheimer's Disease is 10 times greater than if they had 1, two or no shots." When asked why, Dr. Fudenberg stated that it is due to the mercury and aluminum buildup that is in EVERY flu shot (and in almost all childhood shots). The gradual mercury and aluminum buildup in the brain causes cognitive dysfunction. Dr. Fudenberg's comments above were from his speech at the NVIC International Vaccine Conference, Arlington VA September, 1997.
Asthma is from the DPT vaccine.
Delay in diphtheria, pertussis, tetanus vaccination is associated with a reduced risk of childhood asthma
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...
Muscle Wasting Disease can be caused by the Tetanus vaccine.
Calcifying dermatomyositis following antitetanus vaccination
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...
Non Hodgkin Lymphoma comes from the SV40 contaminated Polio vaccine.
news.bbc.co.uk...
news.sciencemag.org...
MS is often caused by the the Hep B vaccine (Harvard) and the HPV. France already pays compensation for this.
Cot Death vanished in Japan after they stopped vaccinating under 2's, it's also known that Cot Death always happens slightly after vaccination, but never before. Vaccine inserts actually used to warn on the inserts that they could cause Cot Death.
Rubinstein
Weigh up the pros and cons of vaccines, assess if the vaccines are more dangerous for you, if you really still want to vaccinate work out which vaccines have the best risk/benefit ratio
www.smartvax.com...
Rubinstein
Vaccines and SIDS (cot death )
www.thelibertybeacon.com...
Raymond Obomsawin, M.D. – “Delay of DPT immunisation until 2 years of age in Japan has resulted in a dramatic decline in adverse side effects. In the period of 1970-1974, when DPT vaccination was begun at 3 to 5 months of age, the Japanese national compensation system paid out claims for 57 permanent severe damagevaccine cases, and 37 deaths. During the ensuing six year period 1975-1980, when DPT injections were delayed to 24 months of age, severe reactions from the vaccine were reduced to a total of eight with three deaths. This represents an 85 to 90 percent reduction in severe cases of damage and death.”
Rubinstein
The problem is that vaccines are causing Cot Death, Diabetes Type 1, MS, Lupus, Non Hodgkin Lymphoma, Leukemia, Alzheimer's, Asthma, Arthritis and Muscle-Wasting Diseases. They are causing a lot more harm than good.
vorpal22
Akragon
reply to post by luciddream
I KNOW that IF one vaccine causes one case of Autism... that is ONE too many
Really? You are suggesting that even IF vaccines cause autism (which they don't), the devastating effects of an epidemic of measles, mumps, rubella, and other diseases is not offset by a tiny percentage of children (even if it is just one) developing autism?
Lolliek
Throwing my 2 cents in. I have 2 friends that both have an autistic child. One firmly believes a vaccine caused it, and the other one firmly believes it didn't have anything to do with it. I myself have 3 children who had the vaccine, and other than some hyperactivity, are fine. I am on the fence about this - both friends can cite studies and papers that support their side of the matter. Believe me, there are some heated moments between my two friends! Also, just fyi - both are VERY well educated, so that isn't a factor. This argument can go around and around.
hiddencode
The hyperactivity/ADHD is very common after MMR, but you're still lucky they didn't regress into autism
Lolliek
Throwing my 2 cents in. I have 2 friends that both have an autistic child. One firmly believes a vaccine caused it, and the other one firmly believes it didn't have anything to do with it. I myself have 3 children who had the vaccine, and other than some hyperactivity, are fine. I am on the fence about this - both friends can cite studies and papers that support their side of the matter. Believe me, there are some heated moments between my two friends! Also, just fyi - both are VERY well educated, so that isn't a factor. This argument can go around and around.
Pardon?
hiddencode
The hyperactivity/ADHD is very common after MMR, but you're still lucky they didn't regress into autism
Lolliek
Throwing my 2 cents in. I have 2 friends that both have an autistic child. One firmly believes a vaccine caused it, and the other one firmly believes it didn't have anything to do with it. I myself have 3 children who had the vaccine, and other than some hyperactivity, are fine. I am on the fence about this - both friends can cite studies and papers that support their side of the matter. Believe me, there are some heated moments between my two friends! Also, just fyi - both are VERY well educated, so that isn't a factor. This argument can go around and around.
ADHD and autism are completely unrelated.
However, Hiddencode, I would suggest that you and Rubinstein AREN'T unrelated.
Is it a coincidence that you're bigging up his posts one after another and have EXACTLY the same problems with formatting quotes as he/she had?
You're one and the same aren't you?
Hiddencode
And you were calling the anti-vaccine crowd 'Conspiracy Theorists', when you start making accusations like this you are scraping the bottom of the barrel. Focus on the science and the facts, then if anyone is playing games (normally more something you would expect from the shills / sockpuppets than anti-vaccine folk), then ATS will deal with it.
I don't even think you really believe it, it's just a dirty debating tactic to counter the fact that my points are very strong.
Rubinstein
And you were calling the anti-vaccine crowd 'Conspiracy Theorists', when you start making accusations like this you are scraping the bottom of the barrel. Focus on the science and the facts, then if anyone is playing games (normally more something you would expect from the shills / sockpuppets than anti-vaccine folk), then ATS will deal with it.
I don't even think you really believe it, it's just a dirty debating tactic to counter the fact that my points are very strong.
Pardon?
hiddencode
The hyperactivity/ADHD is very common after MMR, but you're still lucky they didn't regress into autism
Lolliek
Throwing my 2 cents in. I have 2 friends that both have an autistic child. One firmly believes a vaccine caused it, and the other one firmly believes it didn't have anything to do with it. I myself have 3 children who had the vaccine, and other than some hyperactivity, are fine. I am on the fence about this - both friends can cite studies and papers that support their side of the matter. Believe me, there are some heated moments between my two friends! Also, just fyi - both are VERY well educated, so that isn't a factor. This argument can go around and around.
ADHD and autism are completely unrelated.
However, Hiddencode, I would suggest that you and Rubinstein AREN'T unrelated.
Is it a coincidence that you're bigging up his posts one after another and have EXACTLY the same problems with formatting quotes as he/she had?
You're one and the same aren't you?
Pardon?
"The lady doth protest too much, methinks".
Hamlet, Act III, Scene II
And I've refuted every single one of "your" points (for "your", read copy & pasted from anti-vax sites word for word).
You haven't an original thought in your head.
And definitely not an argument.
OneManArmy
Pardon?
"The lady doth protest too much, methinks".
Hamlet, Act III, Scene II
And I've refuted every single one of "your" points (for "your", read copy & pasted from anti-vax sites word for word).
You haven't an original thought in your head.
And definitely not an argument.
Oh the complete and utter irony, its not even funny.
I think I would get more satisfaction banging my head against the wall than debating with you.
Pardon?
OneManArmy
Pardon?
"The lady doth protest too much, methinks".
Hamlet, Act III, Scene II
And I've refuted every single one of "your" points (for "your", read copy & pasted from anti-vax sites word for word).
You haven't an original thought in your head.
And definitely not an argument.
Oh the complete and utter irony, its not even funny.
I think I would get more satisfaction banging my head against the wall than debating with you.
You probably would as that is all your's and your acolyte's "debate" is worthy of.
Everything you've gleaned from anti-vax sites and posted in this thread has been successfully countered and with relative ease.
I've not seen one original argument from any of you at all and in them there isn't any convincing cases against the vaccines at all.
I'm still waiting for the answer of who victims of vaccine preventable diseases should sue.
I would like to know if there's a vaccine you consider safe and what exactly constitutes your definition of safe.
If you don't consider vaccines safe then suggest a viable alternative.