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Courts Quietly Confirm MMR Vaccine Causes Autism

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posted on Nov, 28 2013 @ 12:32 PM
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Rubinstein
Everything I've said has come from years of examining studies in my free time. To find the reality we have to look away from the Big Pharma controlled sites such as CDC and WHO etc, we need scientists who are allowed to be honest without corporate pressure.

None of the list of vaccine-induced diseases should be a surprise when we think about the fact that vaccines are trying to create an immune response, so very often it goes wrong leaving us with lifelong autoimmune diseases. It is known that autoimmune diseases are often left behind after vaccination.

Vaccinations Inevitably Cause Autoimmune Diseases: PLoS Study
gaia-health.com...


Have you read this study? Have you seen how often and how much of each antigen they gave?
That really can not be correlated with even the most stringent vaccine schedule.
A ludicrous example of non-science.


Rubinstein
Diabetes Type 1 is mainly caused by the Hib vaccine, every country which introduced the vaccine saw a huge increase in Diabetes Type 1 rates, whereas Russia who only vaccinate at 18% with Hib have low rates of Diabetes Type 1. Lots of studies and info in this thread here
www.abovetopsecret.com...

And that's the one I refuted earlier as the author of the ONE study in the thread basically made the study results up himslef to promote his company. Read my earlier posts for a little more detail.


Rubinstein
Alzheimers comes from the old person flu jab, once you've had a number of these there's too mcuh Aluminium in your brain. (source one of the world's top immunologists
"If an individual has had 5 consecutive flu shots between 1970 - 1980 (the years of the study) his/her chance of developing Alzheimer's Disease is 10 times greater than if they had 1, two or no shots." When asked why, Dr. Fudenberg stated that it is due to the mercury and aluminum buildup that is in EVERY flu shot (and in almost all childhood shots). The gradual mercury and aluminum buildup in the brain causes cognitive dysfunction. Dr. Fudenberg's comments above were from his speech at the NVIC International Vaccine Conference, Arlington VA September, 1997.

Aside from the proven fact that aluminium and/or mercury DON'T cause Alz, Dr Fudenburg is far from being one of the "world's top immunologists" as he is a bit of a crank, mainly, in my opinion, since he says he can cure autistic children with his own bone marrow(!!???). I believe he also lost his medical licence nearly 20 years ago..this is a snippet from the order..
"4. The sanction imposed is designed not to punish the physician, but to protect the life, health, and welfare of the people at large.".
Add to that he (or you for that matter) has only his word for what has been said just adds to the lack of credibility.


Rubinstein
Asthma is from the DPT vaccine.

Delay in diphtheria, pertussis, tetanus vaccination is associated with a reduced risk of childhood asthma
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

That addresses more the timing of when vaccines are given rather than the vaccines themselves, wouldn't you agree? If there was a non-vaccinated control group to compare against to there would be more substance to it. As it stands, it's only really a vehicle for further study, no real conclusions can be made.


Rubinstein
Muscle Wasting Disease can be caused by the Tetanus vaccine.
Calcifying dermatomyositis following antitetanus vaccination
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

Wow, talk about cherry-picking!
That's a single case report and it also states "To our knowledge, similar cases have not been reported."
Sorry, try again.


Rubinstein
Non Hodgkin Lymphoma comes from the SV40 contaminated Polio vaccine.
news.bbc.co.uk...
news.sciencemag.org...

The SV40 was found in 1960 and further polio vaccines did not contain it.
So far (and the bottom of that Sciencemag link says the same) there have been no cases of cancer which have been proven to have been caused by the virus.
Conjecture.


Rubinstein
MS is often caused by the the Hep B vaccine (Harvard) and the HPV. France already pays compensation for this.

Proof please.


Rubinstein
Cot Death vanished in Japan after they stopped vaccinating under 2's, it's also known that Cot Death always happens slightly after vaccination, but never before. Vaccine inserts actually used to warn on the inserts that they could cause Cot Death.

Absolute fabrication. Japan vaccinates from 2 months upwards.
The rest of your comment is just lies.
japanhealthinfo.com...


Not doing well so far.




posted on Nov, 28 2013 @ 01:09 PM
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Pardon?
Have you read this study? Have you seen how often and how much of each antigen they gave?
That really can not be correlated with even the most stringent vaccine schedule.
A ludicrous example of non-science.


It's a top quality study, but of course you will say it's a bad one as it goes against your agenda.


Pardon?
And that's the one I refuted earlier as the author of the ONE study in the thread basically made the study results up himslef to promote his company. Read my earlier posts for a little more detail.


It's an excellent study, you have a problem with the scientist because he's looking into vaccine safety. There are other studies in the same thread to that which all form together to show that Diabetes Type 1 is coming from the Hib vaccine. Look at the Hib vaccine rates per country then compare with rates of Diabetes Type 1. Think about the fact that every country which introduced the Hib vaccine then had skyrocketing cases of Diabetes Type 1.


Pardon?
Aside from the proven fact that aluminium and/or mercury DON'T cause Alz, Dr Fudenburg is far from being one of the "world's top immunologists" as he is a bit of a crank, mainly, in my opinion, since he says he can cure autistic children with his own bone marrow(!!???). I believe he also lost his medical licence nearly 20 years ago..this is a snippet from the order..


Just because the CDC and FDA choose to ignore studies does not mean that they don't exist. Watch this award-winning documentary from 17 minutes 50 seconds for a few minutes and you'll find out more about the harmful effects of vaccines on the brain.





Pardon?
That addresses more the timing of when vaccines are given rather than the vaccines themselves, wouldn't you agree? If there was a non-vaccinated control group to compare against to there would be more substance to it. As it stands, it's only really a vehicle for further study, no real conclusions can be made.


More studies on DPT/Asthma, the risk of Asthma in the unvaccinated in tiny.

(McKeever et al.: Vaccination and Allergic Disease: A Birth Cohort Study“, June 2004, Vol 94, No. 6, American Journal of Public Health) There were a total of over 30,000 children with DPPT (diphtheria, polio, pertussis whom were vaccinated against whooping cough, tetanus), compared with non-vaccinated children, the MMR (measles, mumps, rubella were vaccinated), which were non-vaccinated. Results: Increased risk of allergy towards vaccination A child which has been vaccinated against DPPT averages per life year, a risk of 5.04% of allergic asthma. In contrast to a child which has not been vaccinated against DPPT only has a 0.36% risk of asthma.

Salzburger Study Results: of 1004 unvaccinated children, had Asthma, 0% (8-12% in the normal population) A-topic dermatitis 1.2% (10-20% in the normal population) Allergies 3% (25% in the normal population) ADHD 0.79% (5-10%) in children

And here's some worrying evidence about the DPT vaccine, it was found that those received the vaccine were twice as likely to die.

Longterm Study in Guinea-Bissau (1 Kristensen I, Aaby P, Jensen H.:“Routine vaccinations and child survival: follow up study in Guinea-Bissau, West Africa”, BMJ 2000; 321: 1435–41 The children of 15,000 mothers were observed from 1990 to 1996 for 5 years. Result: the death rate in vaccinated children against diphtheria, tetanus and whooping cough is twice as high as the unvaccinated children (10.5% versus 4.7%).




Pardon?
Wow, talk about cherry-picking!
That's a single case report and it also states "To our knowledge, similar cases have not been reported."
Sorry, try again.


How many people are even looking into vaccines as the triggers of muscle-wasting diseases? A vaccine from 2 months or a year ago could have caused the muscle-wasting disease which has just showed it's symptoms. The fact that one study/example exists suggests that many more cases of rare muscle-wasting diseases are also likely to be trigged by vaccines, but if you don't look then you don't find. Pharma have good reason not to look, as they make very good money from muscle-wasting diseases.


Pardon?
The SV40 was found in 1960 and further polio vaccines did not contain it.
So far (and the bottom of that Sciencemag link says the same) there have been no cases of cancer which have been proven to have been caused by the virus.
Conjecture.


The monkeys which Merck used were also being used to create biological weapons, their blood had all sorts in, including HIV and SV40. Cases of Non Hodgkin Lymphoma soared after those Polio jabs went out, the SV40 virus is found in Non Hodgkin Lymphoma. Pharma will of course desperately try to say "Just because SV40 is found in these Cancers doesn't mean it caused them", but Non Hodgkin Lymphoma was rare before these jabs went out, so the evidence is clear.

Let's listen to former Merck Vaccine Chief, Dr Maurice Hilleman, on the topic




Pardon?
Proof please.


Multiple sclerosis and hepatitis B vaccination: adding the credibility of molecular biology to an unusual level of clinical and epidemiological evidence.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

"In spite of a huge number of reports of severe hazards after injection of hepatitis B vaccine (HBV), the issue is regularly raised that no mechanism is available for the development of central demyelinating disorders such as multiple sclerosis (MS). A number of convergent facts, however, suggests that the manufacturing process could introduce HBV polymerase as a contaminant, and then trigger an auto-immune process against myelin in some vaccinated subjects. Of great significance, this hypothesis is likely to give the missing link to account for the considerable body of clinical and epidemiological evidence documenting that, for a drug used with a preventive purpose, HBV has an unusual potential to induce central neurological disorders amongst others unwanted side-effects."


Pardon?
Absolute fabrication. Japan vaccinates from 2 months upwards.
The rest of your comment is just lies.
japanhealthinfo.com...


Actually you're wrong, this is very well known that Japan stopped vaccinating the under 2's and Cot Death vanished, their infant mortality rate jumped right up to best in the world. Pharma used their tentacles to put pressure on them and get them vaccinating under-2's again, as otherwise it would expose all of the harm which vaccines are causing.

www.thelibertybeacon.com...


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posted on Nov, 28 2013 @ 01:13 PM
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Rubinstein
There are many studies linking vaccines with Lupus

BCG vaccine-induced lupus vulgaris.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...


I hope you realise that lupus vulgaris ISN'T the autoimmune disease commonly called lupus?
The autoimmune one is lupus erythematosus.
They are very different indeed.
Whilst unpleasant lupus vulgaris is quite rare and relatively easily treated.



posted on Nov, 28 2013 @ 01:24 PM
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Vaccines cause both Lupus vulgaris and Lupus erythematosus :-

Vaccinations Inevitably Cause Autoimmune Diseases: PLoS Study
The study found that overstimulation of CD4+ cells results in the induction of autoantibodies, that is, antibodies that attack the self instead of invaders. That is virtually the definition of an autoimmune disease. The authors specifically found tissue injury like that of the disease lupus erythematosus and other autoimmune disorders.

gaia-health.com...



Pardon?

Rubinstein
There are many studies linking vaccines with Lupus

BCG vaccine-induced lupus vulgaris.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...


I hope you realise that lupus vulgaris ISN'T the autoimmune disease commonly called lupus?
The autoimmune one is lupus erythematosus.
They are very different indeed.
Whilst unpleasant lupus vulgaris is quite rare and relatively easily treated.




posted on Nov, 28 2013 @ 02:10 PM
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Rubinstein

It's a top quality study, but of course you will say it's a bad one as it goes against your agenda.


The first study's comparing apples with oranges, that's why it's bad.
Given that you can't count up to 3 I'm afraid your judgement has to be questioned.


Rubinstein
It's an excellent study, you have a problem with the scientist because he's looking into vaccine safety. There are other studies in the same thread to that which all form together to show that Diabetes Type 1 is coming from the Hib vaccine. Look at the Hib vaccine rates per country then compare with rates of Diabetes Type 1. Think about the fact that every country which introduced the Hib vaccine then had skyrocketing cases of Diabetes Type 1.

I don't have a problem with the scientist per se, I have a problem with the study since he's fabricated the results.
Diabetes has been climbing since the 1960's some 20 or so years prior to the vaccine being given.
Unfortunately the "scientist" forgot to include that as it would have ruined his whole study.


Runbinstein

Just because the CDC and FDA choose to ignore studies does not mean that they don't exist. Watch this award-winning documentary from 17 minutes 50 seconds for a few minutes and you'll find out more about the harmful effects of vaccines on the brain.


Whilst you completely ignore Fudenburg's complete lack of credibilty you do yourself no favours whatsoever by pointing me towards a paranoid and factually incorrect documentary. Sorry, Youtube videos as medical evidence just don't cut it with me.
Irrespective of whether the CDC and FDA ignore something means nothing to me (especially since I'm in the UK) but because I look at the available evidence myself. ANd that evidence is pretty conclusive in ruling out heavy metal toxicity in Alz.[


Runbistein
More studies on DPT/Asthma, the risk of Asthma in the unvaccinated in tiny.

(McKeever et al.: Vaccination and Allergic Disease: A Birth Cohort Study“, June 2004, Vol 94, No. 6, American Journal of Public Health)

Here's the result and conclusion summary from that study. Read it carefully.
Results. We found an association between vaccination and the development of allergic disease; however, this association was present only among children with the fewest physician visits and can be explained by this factor.
Conclusions. Our data suggest that currently recommended routine vaccinations are not a risk factor for asthma or eczema.

Did you link to the wrong study?


Rubinstein
Salzburger Study Results: of 1004 unvaccinated children, had Asthma, 0% (8-12% in the normal population) A-topic dermatitis 1.2% (10-20% in the normal population) Allergies 3% (25% in the normal population) ADHD 0.79% (5-10%) in children

This was a questionnaire-based study from a homeopath so I don't think anyone can give it any credence whatsoever.


Rubinstein
And here's some worrying evidence about the DPT vaccine, it was found that those received the vaccine were twice as likely to die.

Longterm Study in Guinea-Bissau (1 Kristensen I, Aaby P, Jensen H.:“Routine vaccinations and child survival: follow up study in Guinea-Bissau, West Africa”, BMJ 2000; 321: 1435–41 The children of 15,000 mothers were observed from 1990 to 1996 for 5 years. Result: the death rate in vaccinated children against diphtheria, tetanus and whooping cough is twice as high as the unvaccinated children (10.5% versus 4.7%).

That's a really vague study indeed. It doesn't record the cause of death either.
I'll keep an open mind on that one.




Rubinstein
How many people are even looking into vaccines as the triggers of muscle-wasting diseases? A vaccine from 2 months or a year ago could have caused the muscle-wasting disease which has just showed it's symptoms. The fact that one study/example exists suggests that many more cases of rare muscle-wasting diseases are also likely to be trigged by vaccines, but if you don't look then you don't find. Pharma have good reason not to look, as they make very good money from muscle-wasting diseases.

Conjecture and nonsense, sorry.


Rubinstein
The monkeys which Merck used were also being used to create biological weapons, their blood had all sorts in, including HIV and SV40. Cases of Non Hodgkin Lymphoma soared after those Polio jabs went out, the SV40 virus is found in Non Hodgkin Lymphoma. Pharma will of course desperately try to say "Just because SV40 is found in these Cancers doesn't mean it caused them", but Non Hodgkin Lymphoma was rare before these jabs went out, so the evidence is clear.

Conspiratorial nonsense.
The classification of NHL only happened in 1982 so of course the number of RECORDED cases sky-rocketted.
Derp.


Rubinstein
Multiple sclerosis and hepatitis B vaccination: adding the credibility of molecular biology to an unusual level of clinical and epidemiological evidence.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

"In spite of a huge number of reports of severe hazards after injection of hepatitis B vaccine (HBV), the issue is regularly raised that no mechanism is available for the development of central demyelinating disorders such as multiple sclerosis (MS). A number of convergent facts, however, suggests that the manufacturing process could introduce HBV polymerase as a contaminant, and then trigger an auto-immune process against myelin in some vaccinated subjects. Of great significance, this hypothesis is likely to give the missing link to account for the considerable body of clinical and epidemiological evidence documenting that, for a drug used with a preventive purpose, HBV has an unusual potential to induce central neurological disorders amongst others unwanted side-effects."

That study is looking to purport an hypothesis, it's not a clinical study.
Here's a clinical study.
www.direct-ms.org...


Runbinstein
Actually you're wrong, this is very well known that Japan stopped vaccinating the under 2's and Cot Death vanished, their infant mortality rate jumped right up to best in the world. Pharma used their tentacles to put pressure on them and get them vaccinating under-2's again, as otherwise it would expose all of the harm which vaccines are causing.

www.thelibertybeacon.com...

Actually, once again I'm correct. And you're still wrong. Or lying. Or both.
Surprise, surprise a fiercely anti-vax site lies through its teeth and provides no evidence whatsoever.
Here's the evidence which shows that the rate of SIDS increased consistently completely independently of the vaccination schedule.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...



posted on Nov, 28 2013 @ 02:12 PM
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Rubinstein
Vaccines cause both Lupus vulgaris and Lupus erythematosus :-

Vaccinations Inevitably Cause Autoimmune Diseases: PLoS Study
The study found that overstimulation of CD4+ cells results in the induction of autoantibodies, that is, antibodies that attack the self instead of invaders. That is virtually the definition of an autoimmune disease. The authors specifically found tissue injury like that of the disease lupus erythematosus and other autoimmune disorders.

gaia-health.com...



That was the study from a previous post of yours where they gave ridiculously large amounts of antigens every 5 days for weeks on end.
That really shows nothing at all.



posted on Nov, 28 2013 @ 02:19 PM
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Rubinstein
We can clearly see that vaccines are the driving force of the pharmaceutical industry, by harming us, leaving us with MS, Asthma, Diabetes Type 1, Lupus, Motor Neurone Disease etc etc, they put us on their medications for life, this is about money, each time they harm one of us they effectively get a lifelong tax from our injury.

Whenever the pharmaceuticals want to increase their market size, it's as simple as pushing another vaccine into the schedule, or creating a new excuse for a vaccine e.g. HPV, Swine Flu, Seasonal Flu etc. Each time around a percentage of us are harmed and left dependent on lifetime pharma drugs, like a ball and chain around the ankle.

The Pharmaceuticals need to be banned from profiting from harm/disease which they caused, only then will they lose interest in forcing untested and toxic vaccines on both us and our children.


edit on 28-11-2013 by Rubinstein because: (no reason given)


Wrong again.

What we can clearly see is the out and out lies and deception that the anti-vaxxers put out as fact whilst completely ignoring the harm and disability done by non-vaccination.

88 children died of measles in Japan in 2000.
Did any of the anti-vax brigade in this thread even acknowledge that fact?
No.
Absolutely and completely ignored.
Compassionate lot aren't they?



posted on Nov, 28 2013 @ 05:11 PM
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The pro-vaccine crowd need to watch this video and get educated


Rubinstein
One of the best videos you could ever watch from one of the world's top vaccine experts, Dr Sherri Tenpenny, she goes through all the major childhood diseases and vaccines one by one and assesses the risk against the benefit for each vaccine.




posted on Nov, 28 2013 @ 05:13 PM
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Excellent post, you're doing a great job Rubinstein! You come across as someone who's honest and is here for the right reasons


Rubinstein
Everything I've said has come from years of examining studies in my free time. To find the reality we have to look away from the Big Pharma controlled sites such as CDC and WHO etc, we need scientists who are allowed to be honest without corporate pressure.

None of the list of vaccine-induced diseases should be a surprise when we think about the fact that vaccines are trying to create an immune response, so very often it goes wrong leaving us with lifelong autoimmune diseases. It is known that autoimmune diseases are often left behind after vaccination.

Vaccinations Inevitably Cause Autoimmune Diseases: PLoS Study
gaia-health.com...

Diabetes Type 1 is mainly caused by the Hib vaccine, every country which introduced the vaccine saw a huge increase in Diabetes Type 1 rates, whereas Russia who only vaccinate at 18% with Hib have low rates of Diabetes Type 1. Lots of studies and info in this thread here
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Alzheimers comes from the old person flu jab, once you've had a number of these there's too mcuh Aluminium in your brain. (source one of the world's top immunologists

"If an individual has had 5 consecutive flu shots between 1970 - 1980 (the years of the study) his/her chance of developing Alzheimer's Disease is 10 times greater than if they had 1, two or no shots." When asked why, Dr. Fudenberg stated that it is due to the mercury and aluminum buildup that is in EVERY flu shot (and in almost all childhood shots). The gradual mercury and aluminum buildup in the brain causes cognitive dysfunction. Dr. Fudenberg's comments above were from his speech at the NVIC International Vaccine Conference, Arlington VA September, 1997.

Asthma is from the DPT vaccine.

Delay in diphtheria, pertussis, tetanus vaccination is associated with a reduced risk of childhood asthma
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

Muscle Wasting Disease can be caused by the Tetanus vaccine.
Calcifying dermatomyositis following antitetanus vaccination
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

Non Hodgkin Lymphoma comes from the SV40 contaminated Polio vaccine.
news.bbc.co.uk...
news.sciencemag.org...

MS is often caused by the the Hep B vaccine (Harvard) and the HPV. France already pays compensation for this.

Cot Death vanished in Japan after they stopped vaccinating under 2's, it's also known that Cot Death always happens slightly after vaccination, but never before. Vaccine inserts actually used to warn on the inserts that they could cause Cot Death.



posted on Nov, 28 2013 @ 05:14 PM
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Now that is a superb website, especially useful for those who want a reduced/delayed/safer vaccine schedule


Rubinstein
Weigh up the pros and cons of vaccines, assess if the vaccines are more dangerous for you, if you really still want to vaccinate work out which vaccines have the best risk/benefit ratio

www.smartvax.com...



posted on Nov, 28 2013 @ 05:15 PM
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This is true, No Vaccines = No Crib Death


Rubinstein
Vaccines and SIDS (cot death )

www.thelibertybeacon.com...

Raymond Obomsawin, M.D. – “Delay of DPT immunisation until 2 years of age in Japan has resulted in a dramatic decline in adverse side effects. In the period of 1970-1974, when DPT vaccination was begun at 3 to 5 months of age, the Japanese national compensation system paid out claims for 57 permanent severe damagevaccine cases, and 37 deaths. During the ensuing six year period 1975-1980, when DPT injections were delayed to 24 months of age, severe reactions from the vaccine were reduced to a total of eight with three deaths. This represents an 85 to 90 percent reduction in severe cases of damage and death.”



posted on Nov, 28 2013 @ 05:16 PM
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You're right, but even the list you made there is just the tip of the iceberg of what vaccines are really doing


Rubinstein
The problem is that vaccines are causing Cot Death, Diabetes Type 1, MS, Lupus, Non Hodgkin Lymphoma, Leukemia, Alzheimer's, Asthma, Arthritis and Muscle-Wasting Diseases. They are causing a lot more harm than good.


vorpal22

Akragon
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I KNOW that IF one vaccine causes one case of Autism... that is ONE too many



Really? You are suggesting that even IF vaccines cause autism (which they don't), the devastating effects of an epidemic of measles, mumps, rubella, and other diseases is not offset by a tiny percentage of children (even if it is just one) developing autism?



posted on Nov, 28 2013 @ 05:19 PM
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The hyperactivity/ADHD is very common after MMR, but you're still lucky they didn't regress into autism


Lolliek
Throwing my 2 cents in. I have 2 friends that both have an autistic child. One firmly believes a vaccine caused it, and the other one firmly believes it didn't have anything to do with it. I myself have 3 children who had the vaccine, and other than some hyperactivity, are fine. I am on the fence about this - both friends can cite studies and papers that support their side of the matter. Believe me, there are some heated moments between my two friends! Also, just fyi - both are VERY well educated, so that isn't a factor. This argument can go around and around.




posted on Nov, 29 2013 @ 01:41 AM
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hiddencode
The hyperactivity/ADHD is very common after MMR, but you're still lucky they didn't regress into autism


Lolliek
Throwing my 2 cents in. I have 2 friends that both have an autistic child. One firmly believes a vaccine caused it, and the other one firmly believes it didn't have anything to do with it. I myself have 3 children who had the vaccine, and other than some hyperactivity, are fine. I am on the fence about this - both friends can cite studies and papers that support their side of the matter. Believe me, there are some heated moments between my two friends! Also, just fyi - both are VERY well educated, so that isn't a factor. This argument can go around and around.



ADHD and autism are completely unrelated.

However, Hiddencode, I would suggest that you and Rubinstein AREN'T unrelated.

Is it a coincidence that you're bigging up his posts one after another and have EXACTLY the same problems with formatting quotes as he/she had?

You're one and the same aren't you?



posted on Nov, 29 2013 @ 04:53 AM
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And you were calling the anti-vaccine crowd 'Conspiracy Theorists', when you start making accusations like this you are scraping the bottom of the barrel. Focus on the science and the facts, then if anyone is playing games (normally more something you would expect from the shills / sockpuppets than anti-vaccine folk), then ATS will deal with it.

I don't even think you really believe it, it's just a dirty debating tactic to counter the fact that my points are very strong.


Pardon?

hiddencode
The hyperactivity/ADHD is very common after MMR, but you're still lucky they didn't regress into autism


Lolliek
Throwing my 2 cents in. I have 2 friends that both have an autistic child. One firmly believes a vaccine caused it, and the other one firmly believes it didn't have anything to do with it. I myself have 3 children who had the vaccine, and other than some hyperactivity, are fine. I am on the fence about this - both friends can cite studies and papers that support their side of the matter. Believe me, there are some heated moments between my two friends! Also, just fyi - both are VERY well educated, so that isn't a factor. This argument can go around and around.



ADHD and autism are completely unrelated.

However, Hiddencode, I would suggest that you and Rubinstein AREN'T unrelated.

Is it a coincidence that you're bigging up his posts one after another and have EXACTLY the same problems with formatting quotes as he/she had?

You're one and the same aren't you?



posted on Nov, 29 2013 @ 09:35 AM
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Hiddencode
And you were calling the anti-vaccine crowd 'Conspiracy Theorists', when you start making accusations like this you are scraping the bottom of the barrel. Focus on the science and the facts, then if anyone is playing games (normally more something you would expect from the shills / sockpuppets than anti-vaccine folk), then ATS will deal with it.

I don't even think you really believe it, it's just a dirty debating tactic to counter the fact that my points are very strong.



"The lady doth protest too much, methinks".
Hamlet, Act III, Scene II

And I've refuted every single one of "your" points (for "your", read copy & pasted from anti-vax sites word for word).
You haven't an original thought in your head.
And definitely not an argument.



posted on Nov, 29 2013 @ 06:28 PM
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Stop feeding the trolls, they lay bait to distract you, get back on topic it was actually turning into an interesting thread.

Are you vaccinated yourself?


Rubinstein
And you were calling the anti-vaccine crowd 'Conspiracy Theorists', when you start making accusations like this you are scraping the bottom of the barrel. Focus on the science and the facts, then if anyone is playing games (normally more something you would expect from the shills / sockpuppets than anti-vaccine folk), then ATS will deal with it.

I don't even think you really believe it, it's just a dirty debating tactic to counter the fact that my points are very strong.


Pardon?

hiddencode
The hyperactivity/ADHD is very common after MMR, but you're still lucky they didn't regress into autism


Lolliek
Throwing my 2 cents in. I have 2 friends that both have an autistic child. One firmly believes a vaccine caused it, and the other one firmly believes it didn't have anything to do with it. I myself have 3 children who had the vaccine, and other than some hyperactivity, are fine. I am on the fence about this - both friends can cite studies and papers that support their side of the matter. Believe me, there are some heated moments between my two friends! Also, just fyi - both are VERY well educated, so that isn't a factor. This argument can go around and around.



ADHD and autism are completely unrelated.

However, Hiddencode, I would suggest that you and Rubinstein AREN'T unrelated.

Is it a coincidence that you're bigging up his posts one after another and have EXACTLY the same problems with formatting quotes as he/she had?

You're one and the same aren't you?



posted on Nov, 29 2013 @ 06:37 PM
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Pardon?


"The lady doth protest too much, methinks".
Hamlet, Act III, Scene II

And I've refuted every single one of "your" points (for "your", read copy & pasted from anti-vax sites word for word).
You haven't an original thought in your head.
And definitely not an argument.



Oh the complete and utter irony, its not even funny.
I think I would get more satisfaction banging my head against the wall than debating with you.



posted on Nov, 30 2013 @ 03:18 AM
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OneManArmy

Pardon?


"The lady doth protest too much, methinks".
Hamlet, Act III, Scene II

And I've refuted every single one of "your" points (for "your", read copy & pasted from anti-vax sites word for word).
You haven't an original thought in your head.
And definitely not an argument.



Oh the complete and utter irony, its not even funny.
I think I would get more satisfaction banging my head against the wall than debating with you.


You probably would as that is all your's and your acolyte's "debate" is worthy of.
Everything you've gleaned from anti-vax sites and posted in this thread has been successfully countered and with relative ease.
I've not seen one original argument from any of you at all and in them there isn't any convincing cases against the vaccines at all.

I'm still waiting for the answer of who victims of vaccine preventable diseases should sue.

I would like to know if there's a vaccine you consider safe and what exactly constitutes your definition of safe.

If you don't consider vaccines safe then suggest a viable alternative.



posted on Nov, 30 2013 @ 04:58 AM
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Pardon?

OneManArmy

Pardon?


"The lady doth protest too much, methinks".
Hamlet, Act III, Scene II

And I've refuted every single one of "your" points (for "your", read copy & pasted from anti-vax sites word for word).
You haven't an original thought in your head.
And definitely not an argument.



Oh the complete and utter irony, its not even funny.
I think I would get more satisfaction banging my head against the wall than debating with you.


You probably would as that is all your's and your acolyte's "debate" is worthy of.
Everything you've gleaned from anti-vax sites and posted in this thread has been successfully countered and with relative ease.
I've not seen one original argument from any of you at all and in them there isn't any convincing cases against the vaccines at all.

I'm still waiting for the answer of who victims of vaccine preventable diseases should sue.

I would like to know if there's a vaccine you consider safe and what exactly constitutes your definition of safe.

If you don't consider vaccines safe then suggest a viable alternative.




LMAO, "my acolytes".
LMAO, "not seen one original argument"
LMAO, "not one convincing argument"

The MMR2 is relatively safe, especially when compared to the urabe strain version.
The separate jabs are relatively safe when compared to a combined jab.

With regards to measles the viable alternative is measles itself and a good diet & good medical care.

Blind faith in the Pharma Companies is like blind faith that the governments care about you.

If my government cared then they wouldnt have let 30,000 people die last year because of the cold and them not being able to heat their homes, so dont come on here telling me otherwise.
If my government cared about children then there wouldnt have been the constant cover ups of "child abuse" not only by very prominent people, but also the institution abuse of children in the state care system.

Save your arguments for the ignorant, Im not among them.

Go back to sleep, nothing to see here.
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