originally posted by: starswift
You could just leave the CIA bit out as it was the least rational.
I'll address the CIA in a moment, but first I'd like to ask about something you posted earlier... You listed several points, one of which was that
Oswald had been to Cuba. I all of my reading I've never once
seen anyone claim that Oswald had been to Cuba. If you can point me to
where you found that info it would be much appreciated.
Before I get into the new stuff, please take the time to check what I've already posted
Now, as far as the CIA...
From: "JFK and the Unspeakable
" by James W. Douglass
On January 17, 1961 that President Dwight D. Eisenhower delivered his Farewell Address and warned the American populace of the dangers of an
increasingly powerful "military-industrial complex."
" by David Talbot pg. 65
President Kennedy's tensions with the Joint Chiefs during his first year in office were aggravated by the strenuous efforts of his defense secretary,
Robert McNamara, to gain control of the "military-industrial complex"---the increasingly powerful "conjunction of an immense military establishment
and a large arms industry" that Eisenhower warned about as he bade farewell to the nation in what would become his most famous speech. The old
general could have added bellicose member of Congress to this militaristic nexus--and in fact his original draft called it a
"military-industrial-congressional complex"---as well as the octopus of far-right organizations, retired military officers' associations, and defense
industry trade groups that had sprung up during the Cold War to lobby for higher arms spending and belligerent policies. During his eight years in
office, Eisenhower battled heroically to restrain the defense budget against relentless pressure from this complex. But he did little to change the
Cold War policies that fueled this militaristic fervor.
From: "The Man Who Killed Kennedy:The Case Against LBJ
" by Roger Stone w/ Mike Colapietro pg. 113 Original source: "Mary's Mosaic
Peter Janney pg. 232
Shortly before leaving office, Eisenhower had choice words for the Director of Central Intelligence Allen Dulles. "The structure of our intelligence
organization is faulty," he said to Dulles. "I have suffered an eight-year defeat on this. Nothing has changed since Pearl Harbor. I leave a
'legacy of ashes' to my successor."
The reason I bring this up is because of something else that also happened on January 17, 1961
. To fully appreciate my point I need you
know the context of the act...
From: "JFK and the Unspeakable
" by James W. Douglass pg. 8 Original source: "A Thousand Days
by Schlesinger pg. 553
John Kennedy was a Senator in 1959. When he became chair of the African Subcommittee, he spoke passionately of the struggles taking place on the
African continent, "Call it nationalism, call it anti-colonialism, call it what you will, Africa is going through a revolution ... The word is
out---and spreading like wildfire in nearly a thousand languages and dialects---that it is no longer necessary to remain forever poor or in bondage."
He therefore advocated "sympathy with the independence movement, programs of economic and educational assistance and, as the goal of American policy,
'a strong Africa.' "
The CIA was aware of Kennedy's support of Patrice Lumumba, a popular leader in the secessionist movement in the Katanga province of the Congo. The
Belgian government with CIA assistance assassinated Lumumba on January 17, 1961. No effort was made to inform the new Commander in Chief as he took
the oath of office and began his term...
From: "Kennedy: A Time Remembered
" by Jacques Lowe
On February 13 1961
, United Nations Ambassador Adlai Stevenson came on the phone. I was alone with the President; his hand went to his
head in utter despair, "On, no," I heard him groan. The Ambassador was informing the
President of the assassination of Patrice Lumumba of the Congo, an African leader considered a trouble-maker and a leftist by many Americans. But
Kennedy's attitude towards black Africa was that many who were considered leftists were in fact nationalists and patriots, anti-West because of years
of colonialization, and lured to the siren call of Communism against their will. He felt that Africa presented an opportunity for the West, and,
speaking as an American, unhindered by a colonial heritage, he had made friends in Africa and would succeed in gaining the trust of a great many
African leaders. The call therefore left him heartbroken, for he knew that the murder would be a prelude to chaos in the mineral-rich and important
African country, it was a poignant moment.
As I've said before, if the term "conspiracy theorist" (even though even THAT
is a CIA created term) is fair to throw around then "coincidence
believer" shouldn't be considered offensive, either.
October 9, 1963, just a week before the "lone nut", Oswald, started his new job at the TSBD, FBI Agent Marvin Gheesling cancelled the FBI issued
FLASH watch that had been issued four years earlier after Oswald's remarks at the U.S. Embassy in Moscow that he intended to give the Soviet Union
This "coincidence" not only meant that his employment in a building that would overlook the motorcade would go unnoticed, but so would the "Oswald"
trip to Mexico. I put that in quotes because the cutout using Oswald's name was NOT Oswald. Another coincidence that I think you'll appreciate... We
now know that "Oswald's" Mexican tourist card was No. 824085. The FBI would initially claim there was no record of who was in line with "Oswald". In
1975 tourist card No. 824084 was accidentally declassified. The man in line in front of the Oswald stand-in was CIA Agent William Gaudet!
Nuclear war with Russia is not to be desired though. Even the joint Chiefs could see the logic there.
-- snip --
a reply to: wtbengineer
Please read my post regarding the missile crisis Here
I'm running out of room, so I'll address the Joint Chiefs briefly and then call it a night...