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What exactly is Obama care

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posted on Nov, 19 2013 @ 07:15 AM
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So, all this Obamacare talk/argument got me thinking about what exactly is Obamacare. MSM doesn't really explain it to well like usual. It seems at first that it is a government plan to offer health insurance. You go to the exchange , sign up, bam you got insurance.
My understanding is that you are required to buy insurance from the private insurance industry. If you are poor then government gives you money to help. Government also sets guidelines for what a policy has to have. The government doesn't give you insurance but makes you buy it.
The left likes it as it gets a bunch of poor people covered. The right hates it as it forces people to buy insurance and its "awful" "terrible" according to them.
Is that it? I really don't like the whole ACA at all but really not sure how it affects me. As far as the whole roll out thing I think the insurance companies are screwing Obama as they are the ones who wrote the bill and new what is happening now was going to happen. Anyone know what is really going on with this crap?




posted on Nov, 19 2013 @ 07:20 AM
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Obama care is something that rich hate, the small business employers hate and the politically biased hate.



posted on Nov, 19 2013 @ 07:20 AM
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Obamacare is a government mandate to have health insurance.

Government mandates also include the type/structure of the health insurance.

Private companies offer insurance under the guidelines of the Obamacare law.

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That's about as non-partisan as I can put it.

Like/dislike the aspects, the mandates. But that is Obamacare. The Affordable Care Act.



posted on Nov, 19 2013 @ 07:23 AM
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It is the government mandating that you buy health insurance. Employers also have to offer insurance to their employees if they have over 50 full time employees. If you fall below a certain income level you can qualify for subsidies to help pay for the insurance. It also says that insurance companies cannot turn away preexisting conditions and high risk applicants. "Children" are allowed to say on their parents' insurance until they are 26. If you don't buy insurance by tax day in April, you have to pay a fine that increases each year.



posted on Nov, 19 2013 @ 07:24 AM
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Way to try to shape someone's opinion without actually answering the question.



posted on Nov, 19 2013 @ 07:33 AM
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Yes, it is MY opinion on why people hate Obama care.



posted on Nov, 19 2013 @ 07:36 AM
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luciddream
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Yes, it is MY opinion on why people hate Obama care.


The question was, "What IS Obamacare".



posted on Nov, 19 2013 @ 07:52 AM
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Its a right old mess is what it is.

What would have been so bad with picking up the checks from medical expenses from those who dont have insurance?

A big bill?

Like the billion dollar website was?.....



posted on Nov, 19 2013 @ 08:52 AM
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There is no such thing as private health insurance anymore.
It can't be private when the government dictates what they can and can't sell.

Yes the insurance companies were in on it, because the thought they were going to gain 30 million new customers. But they won't because nobody can afford the new premiums. And young people don't give a crap.

It's cronyism and it's a massive redistribution scam.
It can't work for those two reasons, because humans by their nature will avoid socialism.



posted on Nov, 19 2013 @ 08:59 AM
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It is a way to get self sustaining communities or families of their properties.
As they will have to bring up real dollars for every living person on their grounds..

So people without cash , with land are slowly being robbed of their property.



posted on Nov, 19 2013 @ 09:08 AM
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Very good question! Not sure if anyone, even the drafters of this bill, really knows.

The understanding is that it is a mandate to cover every individual in the US with health insurance. A weak attempt, yet still, the closest America will ever come to universal health care like the rest of the developed world. In that same vein, it is almost a coup for insurance companies despite the protests. Insurance companies and health care management organizations really don't lose money.

My opinion is that it is another way to consolidate the corporate structure of our country. It might not seem like it at first, but when the smoke clears, it is going to be a very big thumbprint over each individual's head. It will also ease the transition for small business to be swallowed up by bigger interests.

But, what do I know? This could be the greatest thing this country has ever known. I just think that it's a way to get a better accounting of every person and keep them beholden to the system.


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posted on Nov, 19 2013 @ 09:29 AM
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posted on Nov, 19 2013 @ 09:39 AM
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ObamaCare? I thought ch'all knew what it was. If you really want to know go here: Revelation 13:16-18 Of course, the naysayers, BHO devotees, and non-believers alike will mock and ridicule this post all the way down to their "homeland" in hell, but let me tell you - LOUD + CLEAR - ObamaCare is very accurately described in the biblical verses below. In fact, there is no better description available. Anything more or less than what is stated there'll just muddy up the waters. Tell ya what - why don't you just try to read it. I know it'll be hard for you - painful even - but just give it a shot, and if I'm wrong I'll concede right here - right now.

"Also it causes all, both small and great, both rich and poor, both free and slave, to be marked on the right hand or the forehead, so that no one can buy or sell unless he has the mark, that is, the name of the beast or the number of its name. This calls for wisdom: let the one who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man, and his number is 666."

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BTW - this is purely for amusements sake
I saw this after posting - its for the number freaks in the house

Fact: Barack Hussein Obama's name adds up to 666 by applying the decimal numerological table of letters for the English alphabet to the etymology (original meaning) of his name: Barack means "Blessed", Hussein means "Handsome", and Obama means "Leaning". B=2 L=30 E=5 S=100 S=100 E=5 D=4 (totals 246); H=8 A=1 N=50 D=4 S=100 O=60 M=40 E=5 (totals 268); L=30 E=5 A=1 N=50 I=9 N=50 G=7 (totals 152) So 246+268+152 = 666



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posted on Nov, 19 2013 @ 09:44 AM
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wait wait wait, wouldnt small business love this cuz it takes their burden away of providing insurance now?

why would rich people hate it? they have their own insurance their not signing up on a gov website. Wouldnt the rich love this well because ya know, their the ones who own the insurance companies?

Political people hate it, um ok, they hate anything they didnt do, thats normal, we all know that, its what makes those puppets so much fun to watch. One person says I like vanilla ice cream the other person goes hey you suck vanilla ice cream is destroying families, hahahaha. gotta love that stuff.



posted on Nov, 19 2013 @ 09:45 AM
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Well ... you got the forum right. It's a political issue. Haven't seen the right answer yet, so I'll take my best shot.

It's a tax.

Some people seem to think it has something to do with health insurance ... and it's not possible to really argue that.



posted on Nov, 19 2013 @ 09:59 AM
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Whatever you do, don't get the dental plan.




posted on Nov, 19 2013 @ 11:21 AM
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obamacare requires all Americans to purchase 'government approved' health care plans.

The premiums are MUCH higher than what was available before the ACA.

The deductible is astronomical.

Barring catastrophic illness, the greatest majority of people will not meet their deductible in any given year. That means their health care comes 'out of pocket', on top the the enormous insurance premiums.

We are all forced, by law, to purchase something we have very little chance of benefiting from, unless health care costs also rise astronomically, allowing us to meet our deductible and be grateful we now have insurance to cover our remaining needs for the year.

Some of the very best medical facilities and hospitals will not accept this insurance plan; you'll have to go to a less renowned facility/hospital.

The government WILL reward hospitals for limiting care to the elderly.

It's a win-win for those with wealthy. It's a death sentence for middle class America.



posted on Nov, 19 2013 @ 11:30 AM
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I can tell you a couple things that Obamacare is:

1). Obamacare will not allow insurance companies to dump you because you get sick

2). Obamacare will not allow insurance companies to refuse you because you are already or have been sick.

3). Obamacare will force insurance companies to let you keep your children on your policy until age 24 or 26. I forget.

4) obamacare helps get insurance in the hands of people who were previously uninsurable.

5). Like Beezer says it requires all people obtain health insurance so you and I don't have to shoulder the cost of their emergency room care but it also provides subsidies to purchase that insurance if you are poor.

I'll have to think of some of the other things but you can see some real good things already. Of course it will cut into the profits of the insurance companies which is the real reason why the republicans are against it.

Oh ps. That guy above me doesn't know what he is talking about. He gets his info from right wing talking points. Obamacare is NOT an insurance plan that can be expensive or refused by doctors. Bluecross/blueshield or united healthcare are insurance providers not obamacare.
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posted on Nov, 19 2013 @ 11:36 AM
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You made this thread interesting.

What ObamaramaCare is REALLY going to do is provide a platform with which the healthcare 'industry' is going to be able to reach deep into your pockets and 'recover' their losses from people who go to the ER ... and then don't pay. That's why the IRS was tapped as the financial enforcement agent.

Hardly anyone can afford the premiums. Even fewer can afford the deductible.




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