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Nail In Obamacare Coffin - Whitehouse Projected 156 Million More To Lose Insurance Plans

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posted on Nov, 18 2013 @ 06:14 PM
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Although we also knew that many employer sponsored plans would be affected, we didn't actually have any accurate numbers. John Hinderaker from Powerline has found out that for over three years, the Obama administration’s internal estimates are that that most of the of Americans covered by “employer plans” will also lose their coverage under Obamacare. And those estimates mean that 156 million people may have to change their doctors etc...

So it looks like Obama's minimizing the overall affect with "only 5%" losing their plans, was also a bunch of crock. So during those years that he was touting that you can keep your plan, he knew that 7 out of 10 Americans would actually lose their plans. Folks, we have been swindled.

Federal Register, dated June 17, 2010, (Vol. 75, No. 116)

I am not certain about you, but I love the nearly free insurance I get through my husbands work. I can pick up and go to any specialist I like and only pay $15. I get $3 prescriptions and I can also go anywhere I like vs. specific practices or hospitals. This is not kewl at all!



John cites the Federal Register, dated June 17, 2010, beginning at page 34,552 (Vol. 75, No. 116). It includes a chart that outlines the Obama administration’s projections. The chart indicates that somewhere between 39 and 69 percent of employer plans would lose their “grandfather” protection by 2013. In fact, for small-business employers, the high-end estimate is a staggering 80 percent (and even on the low end, it’s just a shade under half — 49 percent).





Obamacare is a massive fraudulent scheme. A criminal investigation should be opened. Obviously, the Obama Justice Department will not do that, but the House of Representatives should commence hearings into the offenses that have been committed in the president’s deception of the American people.


Obama’s ‘5 Percent’ Con Job

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posted on Nov, 18 2013 @ 06:19 PM
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When Obama says anything that sounds 'official' and especially when the emphasis is really highlighted, it's obvious that we need to consider the possibility of the opposite being the real truth.

Hence, the "5%" is the real number who might be keeping the existing policies.

Simple as that.


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posted on Nov, 18 2013 @ 06:21 PM
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the Obama administration’s internal estimates are that that most of the of Americans covered by “employer plans” will also lose their coverage under Obamacare. And those estimates mean that 156 million people may have to change their doctors etc...


And that means many employers might just force people onto the exchanges and may not give raises in pay to make up the differences.


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posted on Nov, 18 2013 @ 06:27 PM
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Obama could have just cut to the chase and issued an executive order making healthcare illegal for anyone but himself, his family and his buddies. Why beat around the bush like this?



posted on Nov, 18 2013 @ 06:30 PM
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xuenchen
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the Obama administration’s internal estimates are that that most of the of Americans covered by “employer plans” will also lose their coverage under Obamacare. And those estimates mean that 156 million people may have to change their doctors etc...


And that means many employers might just force people onto the exchanges and may not give raises in pay to make up the differences.


Considering the huge expense of the new Obamacare plans, this just may happen. Just like millions of Americans are choosing to opt out, the employers may decide to also by paying a fine. You see they also have to pay an Obamacare fee for each employee on top of the increased insurance costs.



posted on Nov, 18 2013 @ 06:30 PM
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Duplicate Post, but why waste space?


But I want to keep my insurance plan... Waaaahhhhhh..........


Earlier I mentioned that a major healthcare employer got an early start in my area and changed the plans for over 50,000 employees to comply with Obamacare. The new coverage sucks and their previous HMO is now gone and they have huge deductibles, copays, and increased prescription costs. All because of the higher costs and fees. This was stated in a newsletter. So what happened to them will happen to YOU!


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posted on Nov, 18 2013 @ 06:45 PM
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Here's something interesting....



On a mission to help people bypass distressed health-insurance websites, the Obama administration said it may allow big insurers to directly sign up those who qualify for tax credits, The Wall Street Journal reported Monday.

Currently, customers who are eligible for subsidies can get them only when purchasing coverage on the exchanges. The Obamacare website was launched on Oct. 1 and since then has had various technical problems. ....

... The new concession can help some people work around troubled insurance websites, including HealthCare.gov. The administration said it is working with insurers to eliminate the technical hurdles for the plan

White House working with insurers to bypass HealthCare.gov



more confusion for people,

and even more red tape for insurance companies....

and probable fuel for rate hikes again !!

Find Obama's "emphasis" and think about the *Opposite* ?????



posted on Nov, 18 2013 @ 07:34 PM
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Somewhere, every night, some drunken amoral insurance executive shifts his fat ass, lifts his scotch and soda, and slurs something to the effect of, "That Barry O is a swell guy!" before checking his stock points and texting his mistress.



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posted on Nov, 18 2013 @ 07:41 PM
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Hey hey, stop right there!

You guys not liking Obamacare automatically means you don't like Obama!

Which ALSO means that you don't like black people, obviously.

On the serious side, I was kinda hoping this would make the American health care services better and more affordable "for the majority", I really did!

Hope and Change, ahh...well I HOPE you guys CHANGE your president fast because it's obvious that every moves he is doing is to bankrupt the whole country.


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posted on Nov, 18 2013 @ 07:43 PM
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This is nothing more than a way to tax every working person in this country.

What employer is going to keep your insurance plans that cost them thousands of dollars, just to get a small deduction, when they can just pay the tax (fine) for not providing you insurance and send you off to go look for your own? Wages won't go up as a result of the company paying you more since they are not paying your insurance, you can mark those words. I know my company spends several thousand dollars for my insurance plan, so if insurance companies are going to hike the costs on top of the lower coverage, it makes sense for businesses to just take the tax (fine). I would expect that most businesses will stop providing company sponsored insurance plans, which will force people to look for plans through some other means... likely an exchange. Most people won't get a plan, so they too will just pay the fine, which will come out of their taxes. This boils down to almost every business and every citizen paying a tax.

Impeachment is a no-brainer at this point. The outright lies this President has stood up and publicly stated to the American People on camera, over and over again, about a "$2500 reduction in premiums" and "you can keep it if you like it" is public deception of the highest order. I encourage everyone to look up the real definition of "high crimes and misdemeanors"... high crimes mean people in high public positions like judges and politicians. They are public figures and shouldn't tell lies or deceive or get drunk and drive or break the laws they swear to uphold and protect. If you are in the military, it's the same thing, and if you lie to someone in your chain of command, you get a court martial, good bye! This is absolutely ridiculous that this President should get a pass after everything he's done.

I'm paying more money for my premiums, more money for my max out of pocket, more money for my deductible, and I'm getting a reduction in coverage.

Obama - you can keep your change and give me my damn insurance plan back! The one I've been happy with for the last 5 years, you arrogant POS!

It makes me sad to be an American these days.


~Namaste



posted on Nov, 18 2013 @ 07:45 PM
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theMediator
...On the serious side, I was kinda hoping this would make the American health care services better and more affordable "for the majority", I really did!

Hope and Change, ahh...well I HOPE you guys CHANGE your president fast because it's obvious that every moves he is doing is to bankrupt the whole country.

HAR! Nice. Yeah...how did it go from compassionate healthcare to insurance scam?! New World Order on your doorstep, anyone?



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posted on Nov, 18 2013 @ 07:48 PM
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A few years or so ago I would've bet that Lil' Bush would go down in history as the most idiotic and constitution-killing U.S. President ever. Boy was I wrong!

Who's up next, Benghazi Hillary? This is what she's thinking:




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posted on Nov, 18 2013 @ 08:06 PM
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Health benefit increases have been part of the problem behind stagnant wages. There is no free lunch. As insurance costs rise, your raises become smaller or not at all.

Get a grip on reality. Your insurance plan changes every year. Nobody keeps the same plan if by that you mean the same exact benefits. I get a freakin' book every year from Blue Shield.

Just look at dental insurance industry, something
not effected by the ACA. Doctors are dropped and added all the time.



posted on Nov, 18 2013 @ 08:07 PM
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And let's not leave the colleges and students out in the cold either....



While millions of Americans are watching their individual polices get canceled due to ObamaCare regulations, the new health care rules are also having a major impact on college campuses.

For decades, universities and colleges have offered students bare-bones policies. But because of the Affordable Care Act, those policies no longer cut it – and universities are forced to decide whether to offer significantly higher-cost plans or cancel coverage altogether.

The new rules affect a broad swath of American schools, especially the small ones.

At Bowie State University in Maryland, the cost of student health insurance policies went from roughly $100 a year to $1,800 a year.

Students suffer ObamaCare sticker shock as premiums soar, plans get cut



Oh wait....the students can get on to the parents policies now !!!

Make the parents pay that's right.

And if not, let Medicaid take care of it.

Obama wants everybody to contribute to their own downfall.

No stones unturned !!



posted on Nov, 18 2013 @ 08:20 PM
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God I hope the American public wakes up soon. This country needs a revolution. This two party system has to go.



posted on Nov, 18 2013 @ 08:28 PM
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gariac
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Health benefit increases have been part of the problem behind stagnant wages. There is no free lunch. As insurance costs rise, your raises become smaller or not at all.

Get a grip on reality. Your insurance plan changes every year. Nobody keeps the same plan if by that you mean the same exact benefits. I get a freakin' book every year from Blue Shield.

Just look at dental insurance industry, something
not effected by the ACA. Doctors are dropped and added all the time.


I have had the same plan for at least 15 years. And I am very happy with it. I even get insurance through work that is very decent also, but I still opt to use my husbands. This is my reality. Your doctors get to know you and your health issues and can take care of you best. Now this is the reality for every human being.

And yeah prices do go up every year for some folks. But not like the 50-100% that folks have been realizing under obamacare And this doesn't even take into account the increased costs associated with the higher deductibles and copays realized by many. Medical spending will hit an all time high in the US by individuals and employers. So you get a grip, not me.



posted on Nov, 18 2013 @ 08:29 PM
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gariac
Get a grip on reality. Your insurance plan changes every year. Nobody keeps the same plan if by that you mean the same exact benefits. I get a freakin' book every year from Blue Shield.

Just look at dental insurance industry, something
not effected by the ACA. Doctors are dropped and added all the time.

And you just thought you were a loser then, welcome to the new and improved screw job.



posted on Nov, 18 2013 @ 10:18 PM
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elouina

gariac
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Health benefit increases have been part of the problem behind stagnant wages. There is no free lunch. As insurance costs rise, your raises become smaller or not at all.

Get a grip on reality. Your insurance plan changes every year. Nobody keeps the same plan if by that you mean the same exact benefits. I get a freakin' book every year from Blue Shield.

Just look at dental insurance industry, something
not effected by the ACA. Doctors are dropped and added all the time.


I have had the same plan for at least 15 years. And I am very happy with it. I even get insurance through work that is very decent also, but I still opt to use my husbands. This is my reality. Your doctors get to know you and your health issues and can take care of you best. Now this is the reality for every human being.

And yeah prices do go up every year for some folks. But not like the 50-100% that folks have been realizing under obamacare And this doesn't even take into account the increased costs associated with the higher deductibles and copays realized by many. Medical spending will hit an all time high in the US by individuals and employers. So you get a grip, not me.


Your plan has changed every year. You have no idea how because you haven't used every feature of the plan. This is reality. I speak truth to power, but feel free to be ignorant. Go watch American Idol.



posted on Nov, 18 2013 @ 10:22 PM
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The GUT

gariac
Get a grip on reality. Your insurance plan changes every year. Nobody keeps the same plan if by that you mean the same exact benefits. I get a freakin' book every year from Blue Shield.

Just look at dental insurance industry, something
not effected by the ACA. Doctors are dropped and added all the time.

And you just thought you were a loser then, welcome to the new and improved screw job.


English please. My insurance hasn't changed a bit.

Those people who have had their plans changed are not losers. Their plans were so bad that it was not like having health insurance. So when the fecal matter hit the fan, they went bankrupt. Or they went to the ER. I'm tired of all these leaches who don't practice individual responsibility. I pay a 0.5% sale tax to ONE hospital to keep a trauma center open. Hospitals cannot turn away patients. They pass the cost on to people who can pay.

So let the leaches whine that they have to get real insurance. I don't care if they have to pay a little more. I am tired of supporting these cheap people.



posted on Nov, 18 2013 @ 10:41 PM
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I am sure that this was one of the close doors meeting between the administration and the health insurance commission in order to no only be able to raise premiums but force people into the ACA exchange in order to claim success.

The sad part is that most people that are losing their insurance are not signing up for the exchanges because the alternatives are a lot higher in price and due to be in the group of productive working class most people do not qualify for the subsidies neither.



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