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What do the last 50 or so sick and dying people come back as? Plants?
reply to post by charles1952
Au contraire, mon frère! There really is no need to ditch the Bible to embrace the concept of reincarnation. The words and teachings of Jesus confirm it. But, it's okay not to embrace reincarnation, it will embrace you!
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reply to post by Pinke
Hiya back, Pinke!
I'm not an atheist, I believe in some kind of unifying force that evokes love.
I think of the story of the "Gold Calf", and it makes me think, a lot of time the Bible itself is used as an idol and distracts us
reply to post by Pinke
The morality of the Bible can be found in almost all cultures, in almost all times. Some call it "Natural Law," C.S. Lewis borrowed the term Tao to describe it.
Oh, the innovation to morality? Previously, the "Golden Rule" had been "Don't do anything to anybody that you wouldn't want done to you." The Bible provides a natural outgrowth to that rule
"Zi Gong asked, saying, "Is there one word that may serve as a rule of practice for all one's life?" The Master said, "Is not reciprocity such a word?" -Confucious
"The sage has no interest of his own, but takes the interests of the people as his own. He is kind to the kind; he is also kind to the unkind: for Virtue is kind. He is faithful to the faithful; he is also faithful to the unfaithful: for Virtue is faithful." –Laozi
"Regard your neighbor's gain as your own gain, and your neighbor's loss as your own loss." –Laozi
As you may have seen, my position is that the Mosaic laws were firm and consistent. Their "deadline" was when they had all been fulfilled.
I disagree that God made our current life as confusing and difficult as it is. But even if He did, is it cruel to offer the hope of eternal life, rather than just saying "No way is that gonna happen?"
Jesus never said anything about reincarnation, and all the so called expository statements you have made are not based on the bible. We can agree to disagree, but please show some proof of Jesus saying we come back over and over.
Fascinating. This is off-topic, but you have just shown that Man is unique in all the world. He is the only being who can be innocent or guilty, and can be innocent only if he replaces his instinctual behavior with some "Higher Law." Be careful, at this rate it won't be long until you're attending Mass with me. May I buy you your first Rosary? (You can't tell, because I've only got these crummy smileys to work with, but I'm chuckling.)
Others have mentioned that we might all be products of genetic engineering done by aliens, or an alien-ape hybrid, or something to do with aliens. Does that solve the problem? No, that position either explains nothing, or admits the existence of God. The questions now are, how were the aliens created, how was the Universe created?
If the Universe was created by the aliens, and they always existed, you're getting awfully close to the definition of God. If it wasn't created by the aliens and they came into existence at some point, then we have the same discussion we have now, except we replace the word "Man" with the word "alien."
Boy, Akragon, I don't know. That doesn't seem to be what Jesus said in Matthew 5:17-19:
I can only come to the conclusion that Jesus is saying the law and the prophets are perfectly good and binding until they are completely fulfilled. Where does that leave us? The Old Testament was correct and supported by Jesus, at least in it's laws and prophets, and as He fulfilled the Law, he must be the one prophesied, the Messiah, or Savior of the world. (I know it looks like I skipped a logical step there, but I've only got so much time and you can fill it in yourself.)
Scientists are informing us that early humans may have cross-bred with late, whatever the scientific name for slightly pre-human is. I'm sure there was enough genetic variety to go around. I still insist that Adam and Eve were two (or maybe more, could the name be collective?) people with souls who God had set aside for a special life. They served as "representatives" of a sort for all mankind. They chose wrongly and the entire human race became infected with the results of their bad decision.
I'm glad you laughed. If we don't get some fun from this, what's the use? Isn't it easier to believe in a talking snake and donkey than a talking bush? Especially if the bush is on fire?
If it were me, I'd be talking too, but I'd be saying "Help! Put me out! Ouch! That's hot!" But seriously, if one doesn't accept even the possibility of miracles, there's no sense discussing Christianity. Christianity doesn't exist without miracles.
reply to post by Akragon
if you believe in reincarnation I have a question.
Lets say someone has been reincarnated five times, so at the time of the resurrection which body do you take from the alleged five?
Reincarnation is a myth.
What does the book say about that verse you just quoted about being born again? Would you care to refresh us about the whole conversation about Jesus and Nicodemus?
It was Nicodemus who proposed reincarnation, but what did Jesus say?
And are you the Son of Man? Can you tell me who is the Son of Man? I would love your intrepetation of that one, that by the way, is most likely based in a misunderstanding.
So tell us about the Zeitgeist of the spiritual and natural.
The Jewish believe in reincarnation is not that one comes back, but the spirit of what the person was about will come back. Like Elijah, as they open the door for Elijah to come, it does not mean they believe another baby will be born that was Elijah at one time, they believe the Spirit of Elijah will come and manifest as a human. That's different than the reincarnation belief of one person going from body to body.
reply to post by Akragon
I have been repeatedly warned by ATS to stay on subject matter.
This would be a great thread. I suggest someone open it up.
I guess someone is closely watching every single thread I post and the second I get off topic someone cry's to ATS. Isn't that silly?