'Dozens dead' in Russian plane crash

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posted on Nov, 17 2013 @ 10:56 AM
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'Dozens dead' in Russian plane crash




A passenger plane has crashed at an airport in the Russian city of Kazan, killing at least 44 people, reports say. The Boeing 737 had taken off from Moscow, and was reportedly trying to land but exploded on impact. Russian officials told local media there were no survivors. The reports said the plane belonged to Tatarstan Airlines, and crashed about 7.20pm local time (1520 GMT) on Sunday. There were no immediate indications of what may have led to the crash. Kazan is the capital of the Russian Republic of Tatarstan.


No further news as yet......

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Fifty-two people died as a passenger Boeing crashed while landing in the city of Kazan in central Russia on Saturday, according to the Emergencies Ministry. The passenger aircraft Boeing 737-500 operated by the regional Tatarstan airline exploded after crash-landing in the airport of Kazan at 15:25 GMT, according to Interfax. The jet’s nose reportedly hit the ground during touchdown. The flight was coming from Moscow Domodedovo airport. Reports of casualties vary. According to a spokeswoman from the Emergencies Ministry, 52 people were on board the plane and all are feared dead. Another report from the Federal Air Transport Agency said that 50 people - including six crew members - were on board, all of whom were killed. No children were reported to be on board the plane.

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posted on Nov, 17 2013 @ 12:23 PM
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It always a tragedy when these things happen. My thoughts go to the relatives. It's unfortunate that the federations have such an appalling safety record.
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posted on Nov, 17 2013 @ 12:29 PM
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A report I saw on RT stated that the plane crashed on the second landing attempt and that the problem was "technical" and involved "cockpit errors".

I'd provide a link but the coverage on it right now is continuos on RT.



posted on Nov, 17 2013 @ 02:02 PM
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I hate calling the ball on air-crash's, however its certainly no secret what so ever that Russian pilots are pressured into making unsafe landings while trying to land aircraft's in weather conditions and approaches well outside their design specifications.

Non of the less its another tragic event and I offer my sympathies to the families who have lost loved ones today.



posted on Nov, 17 2013 @ 02:38 PM
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'One of fuel tanks detonated' An emergency services source told Interfax that the pilots apparently made some mistake when entering the second lap. “The plane attempted to land several times. One of the [fuel] tanks detonated while the plane was landing,” said Emergencies Ministry spokeswoman Irina Rossius. The crew reported 500 meters before hitting the runway that the machinery was not ready for landing, an unnamed source told Interfax. According to another report, the plane is believed to have touched the ground with its wing when landing, said a representative of the Investigation Committee, as cited by RIA Novosti. A witness traveling from Kazan to Moscow, who happened to be on the airfield at the moment of the crash, told RT that he heard a loud bang and felt some trembling. The shuttle bus he was on was then diverted back to the terminal. The young man did not report any panic and said that he and other passengers were allowed to pick up their luggage within about 15 minutes after the crash. A criminal case into the violation of flight rules has been initiated. The Interstate Aviation Committee is dispatching its experts to look into the accident. Russian President Vladimir Putin has instructed the government to form a commission to investigate the cause of the plane crash in Kazan, said presidential spokesman Dmitry Peskov.


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posted on Nov, 17 2013 @ 02:43 PM
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It's rare for lightning to detonate a fuel tank but it's possible. There could have been a short in the wiring and when the lightning hit it jumped to the fuel tank and blew the wing apart.



posted on Nov, 17 2013 @ 02:49 PM
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I'll be first in with the 'Snowden was on that flight' conspiracy theory.



posted on Nov, 18 2013 @ 10:42 AM
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posted on Nov, 18 2013 @ 10:46 AM
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I'm going with a stall when they attempted to go around based on the video. That aircraft was intact when it dived into the ground. A microburst wouldn't cause a dive like that, and the right wing was intact contrary to some reports that a lightning strike caused damage to it.



posted on Nov, 18 2013 @ 10:53 AM
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Weird that explosion just before it hit the ground. Also to go down nearly vertical must be investigated.
Only thing is at least it was quick and they didn't suffer. Russia has a really bad record for air crashes.
We went to Poland on holiday years ago and travelled in a Russian built plane. I was sitting at the wings and didn't feel safe at all. Coming back was no better either.



posted on Nov, 18 2013 @ 11:00 AM
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It was most likely the strobe light on the wingtip, not an explosion. The 737 has strobe lights on both wingtips. You can see them flashing in the start of the video, just before the plane comes into view. That flash on the ground is the strobe.



posted on Nov, 18 2013 @ 11:20 AM
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You could be right, never thought of that. Wonder if there are any other videos around of the crash that haven't surfaced yet?



posted on Nov, 18 2013 @ 11:25 AM
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The son of the provincial governor, and the son of the chief of the local branch of the main Russian security agency were on board.

They were at just over 1600 feet when they decided to abort their first attempt at landing.
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posted on Nov, 18 2013 @ 11:32 AM
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Maybe they will find out the true cause if they can get info on the damaged black boxes they recovered. Bit weird they were on that flight though?



posted on Nov, 18 2013 @ 11:40 AM
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May the LORD watch over their souls and send peace of mind and comfort to their families dealing with losing them...



posted on Nov, 19 2013 @ 10:30 AM
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The Boeing-737 that crashed in Kazan, killing all 50 onboard, went into a nosedive after losing speed at low altitude, Russia’s Interstate Aviation Committee said, citing preliminary data from one of the plane’s black boxes. According to investigators, the plane crashed at a speed of more than 450 kilometers an hour, about 20 seconds after pilots reported going on the second circle, known by the technical abbreviation TOGA (Take Off/Go Around). "While landing, the crew failed to follow the standard set. Considering the status as not landing, the crew began to drift to the second circle in the mode of Toga (Take Off / Go Around),” the Interstate Aviation Committee said in a statement. It has been estimated that after reducing speed to 230 kilometers an hour, the crew began transiting the plane into a dive “which led to the termination of the climb, the start of landing and the growth of the indicated speed," the committee said. Both of the plane’s pilots put the engines on maximum power, raising its nose up at a sharp angle that caused a quick loss of speed. In 45 seconds, the plane reached a height of 700 meters, and then plummeted to the ground. As the crew was trying to land the plane, one of two autopilots was switched off, meaning that the whole process was manual. The aviation committee said that according to data from one of the plane's onboard recorders, the aircraft’s engines and other systems were working fine until the moment the plane hit the ground.



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posted on Nov, 19 2013 @ 11:31 AM
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They stalled.



posted on Nov, 19 2013 @ 12:37 PM
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Yes that looks like a fair reason reading all the reports about it so far.



posted on Nov, 19 2013 @ 11:15 PM
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It wasn't a stall after all. They reacted ahead of the stall, before the stick shaker activated, and ended up pushing the nose so far forward to recover that they put it into a dive. They went into a 75 degree nose down position at 700 feet, without ever entering a stall.

When they raised the flaps to go around, they weren't prepared for the nose to pitch up, and it went through 25 degrees. They're investigating whether they were disoriented due to conditions, and darkness.

Interestingly, the CVR is missing. They recovered the case, but when they opened it, the recorder was gone.

The aircraft was easily savable at any point in the go around maneuver, but at the peak of the go around maneuver they were in clouds, which apparently led to a condition known as somatogravic illusion, which is what led to the sharp nose down maneuver.
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posted on Nov, 20 2013 @ 12:15 AM
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OK, disorientation and "porpoiseing" the A/C because they believed they were in stall condition.

Would a sane aircrew at that point just climb out and sort out the situation - then retry the approach?

Something very not right here IMHO.





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