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Living it up on the tax payers dime a weeks worth of food stamps

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posted on Nov, 21 2013 @ 11:26 AM
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thesaneone
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So is the rest of the world helping the American people who need it or is it just the U.S helping out our own and the rest of the worlds problems?



What that supposed to mean?

Im fully for the USA keeping to itself and stopping foreign aid.




posted on Nov, 21 2013 @ 11:29 AM
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macman


There are methods for the changing of laws, which have been bypassed for a while now.



And thats something that needs change.

Changes to laws should be done within the legal framework of ones country.

Im 100% with you on that.

Bush and Obama have alot to awnser for IMO and should be strung up for treason.



posted on Nov, 21 2013 @ 11:33 AM
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macman

So....the cutting of Govt funding automatically means people will die????
And I thought the end of the world people were apocalyptic in nature.



Yes, it does. Based on the past history of the US and what is going on in other countries that do not have a safety net, people do die.

Children go to dumpsters for food, the elderly slowly starve, and the disabled and sick suffer in pain.

Though charity does help some, IT NEVER, EVER PROVIDED ENOUGH RESOURCES TO FEED ALL THE STARVING CHILDREN!

Private people could never manage to have enough resources to build a large infrastructure of roads, police or military.

Should society stop having government run police and fire too?



posted on Nov, 21 2013 @ 11:35 AM
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crazyewok

I see nothing in your constitution forbiding or encouraging aid. I guess that is a issue your founding fathers left up to the people to decide later on?

Ummmm, no. You truly have no understanding of it.
The Constitution limits the fed Govt, stating what it is allowed to do. If it isn't there, it wasn't intended to be performed.


crazyewok
Only in extreme cases. Who else will? someone has to look out for the sick and vunrable?

And again, who gets to decide the circumstances?
The Govt??? Conflict of interests.
A Doctor?? So, a individual gets to dictate to others, what they must do?
This is not freedom, it is a slow route to servitude.


crazyewok
Hense why limits need to be set. Plus it is in one best intrests. When people are left to go cold and starve civil unrest normaly follows, unless there is a police state to put such things down. In the USA (and UK) we seem to have both.

Limits set by whom?? The Govt???
The people are cold, because the Govt has removed the individual aspect, and has stepped in as the replacement.


crazyewok
Read my first point. There nothing for or against it so it seems to be left to the people to decide.

Therefore it is not allowed. Go read up and understand our documents.


crazyewok
I never insulted you.

Yeah, sure sure.


crazyewok
I just said people who only think in extremes and cant not comphremend that there are people in the midde are dumb.
Not my fault if that describes you.

Oh, how very clever.
Meh!!


crazyewok
BS
At some point a goverment has to step in with laws. Or you get lawlessness. It all down to the line you want to draw.

So, a trading of freedoms to be ruled.
Yes, laws do need to be in place. The least amount possible for maximum freedoms.



crazyewok
Food in ones bellies and roof over ones head it not hard.

So, Socialism them.
Or........Wealth redistribution.
Or social justice.
All Progressive ideals.



crazyewok
Hyperbole

No..... truth spoken.

crazyewok
We both know we have heard far worse than me defending a support net for the disabled, seeing as I have defended your points of view on some things.

That is nice, but your little bit of urine still makes the brownies I am baking disgusting and not edible.


crazyewok
Diffrence between a tax to fund wars with france and a tax to help the sick and ill not die. Anyway last time I checked my history it was not so much the tax that was the problem but the fact our parliment passed it without consuluting the 13 colonies. "no taxation WITHOUT representation".

You are correct. And what we have now is just that here.



crazyewok
UK welfare is paid for under a seperate tax, the money only goes on the welafre. Wars, EU bum licking and other services are paid for by the income tax, something I dont like paying.

So, double taxation and you are fine with it. Simply amazing.



crazyewok
Better than places in the third world were people drop like flys in there thousands. If you like that sort of thing so much may I suggest somalia? No goverment and 100% freedom? And lots of dead people to cheer you up. I doubt you will ever get your way 100% in the USA so that may be the nearest you will get to your dream country. Hell Im sure you could claim your own plot of land there raise a American flag and call it New America

You failed to address my statement.
Has YOUR Govt failed in he mission of "Helping" people?



crazyewok
Someone at some level has to give. Might as well be form the ones who have spare money.

So, truth spoken again.
Elitism, Progressivism and Tyranny in motion.
The Forgotten Man cries at the thought of your ideals.



crazyewok
No just a fact. You cant seem to comprhend that people may not agree with you 100% yet not be a "progressive". Its all or nothing with you it seems.

I don't mince words, nor stances.





crazyewok
When did guns come into this?

As an example. Re-read and let me know.



crazyewok
Then who should?
If you say not my responsibilty then you prove my point, if the govt wont do it chances are no one will.

I have the right to not care about others. That is freedom. You don't like that right and prefer forced compassion at the end of a gun held by the Govt.



crazyewok
Not talking the war on poverty or endin. Just provding for the sick and disabled.

So, another program, with no end and a endless appetite for money.




crazyewok
Not to dumb! Too sick to ill. You really dont get it do you? You can just dump a quadraplegic or someone with advanced MS or barin injury in the middle of nowere and say "right figure it out yourself, your fault if you die".

And I have stated in extreme circumstances, I can see the need. But you have failed to provide the mechanism for evaluating this that doesn't leave it up to the Govt, the one in charge of levying taxes, in charge.


crazyewok
Not thinking lowley, thinking realisticaly.

Not really.


crazyewok
Im not talking able bodied unemployed here. Im talking the sick and ill. When getting out of bed and going to the bathroom is the best thing you can acheive in one day or being able to blink your eyes or whatever other debilitating condition you can think of, then yes you cant expect too much from them! I have a IQ of 135, two years ago I could barely keep up with my breathing, not drowning in my own lung fluids was the best I could do for half a year. Yet in your world I would have had to either work (which would have killed me) or begged on the streets (again=death) or hoped a charity would help me in time before I lost my home or starved to death.

I still don't see why it is my financial responsibility for you in that situation.



posted on Nov, 21 2013 @ 11:36 AM
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crazyewok



Im for small goverment. Freedom of choice ect


So long as it falls within the confines of how you think others should live and should spend their money.



posted on Nov, 21 2013 @ 11:37 AM
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So, we need to change our process??????

Nooooooo. No we don't.

OUR process needs to be adhered to.



posted on Nov, 21 2013 @ 11:39 AM
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You say your for smaller government but all your solutions call for an even larger government.

You keep going in circles.



posted on Nov, 21 2013 @ 11:40 AM
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I just have a problem dealing with anyone who deals with an emotional issue, but yet doesn't think long term consequences. There is no quick fix. Only hard decisions.

By the way, I am disabled and cannot work (going on a year now), but due to my investments, I do not qualify for any subsidies/welfare/EBT either.

I know that there are those who are less fortunate than me or you for that matter. But all too often, the solution of throwing money at a problem does not make it go away. I’m all for helping those who need it, but there must be accountability.

The U.S. always makes up new laws to deal with old problems, when there are laws that already address them but are rarely enforced and often the new laws contradict the old laws. I wish there was a reset button.

We are in extreme times, and yes, I believe it will take extreme measures to right this ship. If that takes becoming an Isolationist, then so be it. You can’t take care of others if your own house is in disorder.

Back to the original topic of this thread. The original OP showed us the crap that they bought. I could double that amount of food by shopping smart. Being a bad cook is no excuse. Or saying that they have medical problems when there is a bag of tobacco in the background either.



posted on Nov, 21 2013 @ 11:44 AM
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macman
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So, we need to change our process??????

Nooooooo. No we don't.

OUR process needs to be adhered to.



lol it like talking to a monkey lol

I never said that. I meant change as they need to be adhereing to the legal process.

Sheesh
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posted on Nov, 21 2013 @ 11:47 AM
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Me and you WILL never agree on this issue it seems EVER.

Fact is you have to accept people have diffrent views.

Everyone will always set the bar at what they deem freedom diffrently.

What freedom for one may be tyranny for another.

But no we all have to think like you.

Fact if the majority of Americans think like you fine. Vote and get all disablity welfare cut. As long as the law passes through legal measures I cant stand in the way if thats what most of you want. You have the right to screw your own country up (even more).
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posted on Nov, 21 2013 @ 11:49 AM
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Daughter2

Yes, it does. Based on the past history of the US and what is going on in other countries that do not have a safety net, people do die.

So, again, cutting funding kills people. Care to show me a real example, detailing this specifically?


Daughter2
Children go to dumpsters for food, the elderly slowly starve, and the disabled and sick suffer in pain.

Ahhhh, the children argument. But, you also added Grandpa and Grandma to the mix. Now I just want the Govt to take 80% of MY money to "help".


Daughter2
Though charity does help some, IT NEVER, EVER PROVIDED ENOUGH RESOURCES TO FEED ALL THE STARVING CHILDREN!

And it seems that regardless how much money the Govt steals, it can't do the job either. So....throw more money at the problem and give more power away.


Daughter2
Private people could never manage to have enough resources to build a large infrastructure of roads, police or military.

And that has to do with this topic becuase???? It is easy and a lazy way to try to prove your point about taxes??


Daughter2
Should society stop having government run police and fire too?


Oh, those are run and funded locally, not by the Federal Govt.



posted on Nov, 21 2013 @ 11:50 AM
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thesaneone
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You say your for smaller government but all your solutions call for an even larger government.

You keep going in circles.


I dont think haveing a small dpeartment for wellfare that run on a state level mean big goverment.

Its a bit extra. But im still for cutting 99% of the rest of the fat. I just think a disablity safety net is up there with police, Militray and Fire services.

I just dont see a viable alternative other than just cutting the disabled adrift to die?

If you have a viable and effcetive alternative im all ears?



posted on Nov, 21 2013 @ 11:50 AM
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Maybe be more clear then. And check your statements before posting.



posted on Nov, 21 2013 @ 11:52 AM
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macman
Govt to take 80% of MY money to "help".


Thats the funny thing, diability welfare acounts for a very small sum. It most likley less than a percent of what you pay in taxes, if they cut it you wouldnt even notice it.

Its the pesnions and able bodied unemployed that count for most the welfare bill in most countrys.



posted on Nov, 21 2013 @ 11:57 AM
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crazyewok

Me and you WILL never agree on this issue it seems EVER.

Yep, and I am thankful you are not a voting US citizen.


crazyewok
Fact is you have to accept people have diffrent views.

No, no I don't.
But, even if I do, that doesn't mean I have to adapt it, buy into it, refuse to point out it is based around BS or allow people to push acceptance by not accepting.


crazyewok
Everyone will always set the bar at what they deem freedom diffrently.

Except OUR freedoms are outlined very clearly.


crazyewok
What freedom for one may be tyranny for another.

My freedom does not produce Tyranny to others. You truly have no clue as to American Freedoms.


crazyewok
But no we all have to think like you.

When certain things are outlined very clearly, I guess so.


crazyewok
Fact if the majority of Americans think like you fine. Vote and get all disablity welfare cut. As long as the law passes through legal measures I cant stand in the way if thats what most of you want. You have the right to screw your own country up.

Yep, we sure do.



posted on Nov, 21 2013 @ 12:01 PM
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TDawgRex
I’m all for helping those who need it, but there must be. accountability

But were does that accountability lie if someone of not much means is struck with a disablity that the issue?

TDawgRex
The U.S. always makes up new laws to deal with old problems, when there are laws that already address them but are rarely enforced and often the new laws contradict the old laws. I wish there was a reset button.

Could you enlighten me? As not all up to date with past US law so be intresting to see. Honnest request. I know goverments replace good systems with crap ones all the time so if you had a good system before be intresting to see how down hill it went.


TDawgRex
Back to the original topic of this thread. The original OP showed us the crap that they bought. I could double that amount of food by shopping smart.

Agreed.

TDawgRex
Being a bad cook is no excuse.

I was giving him the benifit of the doubt in ealier posts as a mental disablity such as his could have affected thought process and ability to do simple tasks.


TDawgRex
Or saying that they have medical problems when there is a bag of tobacco in the background either.

Yeah I didnt see that before and your right, if he wants to eat better he can start by giving up smokes! Thats one thing we both agree our tax money should not go on.
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posted on Nov, 21 2013 @ 12:02 PM
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Money is still money. Regardless what it is used for, it is still theft.



posted on Nov, 21 2013 @ 12:10 PM
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macman
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Yep, and I am thankful you are not a voting US citizen.

And im thankfull everyday Im not a American.



macman
No, no I don't.

Actually yes you do, your first amendemnt of the constitution you hold so dear says so.
No you dont have to like or agree with what I say.
But you sure as well got to accept my right to say it



macman
My freedom does not produce Tyranny to others.

Tell that to the disabled person who gets tossed into the streets starving, im sure they will 100% agree with you.

macman
You truly have no clue as to American Freedoms.

Funny I know alot of Americans, 90% I have meet agree with SOME safety net, hell even many tea partier I meet. So your American Freedoms do seem to differ from person to person, I guess that why you have a congress that can make laws and even amend the constitution under extreme circumstances! I mean shock horror you banned slaverly!!!!! Surely that undermined the founding principles of your country when founded!


macman
When certain things are outlined very clearly, I guess so.

I dont see welafre mention at all. Nor do I beleive was slavery as it was left to a state level descion yet they still changed it! Guess if enough people agree changes can be made



macman
Yep, we sure do.

Well get cracking you have a campaign to start! Cant have those lazy evil sick people takeing anymore money



posted on Nov, 21 2013 @ 12:13 PM
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macman
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Money is still money. Regardless what it is used for, it is still theft.


And yet I still dont see any viable alternativ being suggested?

If you cut all welfare I hope you are ready to pay double as much in taxes to see you police force get more militised as the riots that will ensue be huge.

Any you are ok with you tax being spent on police and the military right?



posted on Nov, 21 2013 @ 12:13 PM
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