reply to post by SourGrapes
Glad you looked it up.
Yes, that IS the original meaning. And in say Genghis Khan times and other Emperors as well . . .
failure to literally kowtow with one's forehead to the floor until told to rise, could result in death.
And one had to back out of the audience with the Emperor, as well--never show one's rear to the Emperor.
However, in my use of the term it was as a more generic deference sort of subservience or submission.
Bowing, when I was there, depended on a lot of factors . . . relative ranks and the issues requiring the social convention of the bow. There could be
everything from a nod by a higher ranked person to a lower ranked person in a low key casual exchange--with maybe the lower ranked person nodding
maybe more deeply and a few micro-seconds longer.
. . . from that through slight shoulder and head bows . . . to slight from the waist bows . . . to more marked from the waist bows to full on
virtually right angle from the waist bow . . . all held to varying lengths of time . . . with the more subservient being longer etc. etc.
If there's some formal ceremonial thing . . . maybe as in a special military or other organizational thing in some sort of heavy weight organization,
then a full formal on the floor kowtow can still be seen.
However, usually, the most serious, most severe bow is from the waist near perpendicular and held for a significant length of seconds compared to a
very brief slight holding of the posture.
Given my station as the elder expat on the campus as well as my PhD, I was rarely called on to bow VERY subserviently. HOWEVER, I usually did anyway .
. . WHENEVER doing so could be seen as an authentic act of humility by the Western barbarian in a genuine sort of submission to my respected Chinese
hosts or counter parts.
Given that the Chinese have done EVERYTHING BY RELATIONSHIP
for many centuries, their antennae are WAY out there in terms of authentic
vs inauthentic stuff in relationships. So, they quickly discerned my genuine love of them as individuals and of the culture. So they responded to any
acts of humility and submission quite warmly. That was very gratifying to me.
All of which to say . . . given my belief that the Chinese army WILL be in control of at least California, Oregon, Washington for some months to a few
years . . . Americans allowed to remain alive under their regime would be wise to learn to bow and even more formally and traditionally kowtow
whenever it seems slightly appropriate--and to learn such contexts from watching very carefully.
And yes, the Chinese do understand the more generic, generalized meaning of kowtow as in any bowing or other marked behavioral mannerism denoting
serious submission, subservience etc. of a lesser to a higher ranked person. . . . or as an act of profound submission from person "A" to person
Given the tyrannical globalism descending on the planet . . . arrogant tyranny of every kind in every culture and particularly the current demonic
globalist culture . . . kowtowing in all it's forms is likely to be renewed as a custom, a demand . . . from the elite oligarchy's upper ranks to
the lower ranks and certainly from the gestapo to the serfs and slaves.